Jedi Leia: A Missed Opportunity?
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Very good detail! Yes, Luke is first referenced in the opening crawl. We'll see Leia use the Force eventually. She's going to be in episodes 8 and 9 after all.
Nicely done,
Great filmmaker, bad with science. But yes, it's funny how we get the Delta Vega thing all over again - figured he'd learned his lesson by now.I like Alidar Jarok's point about familiarity too because it's a solid point in the film as a whole. Leia with a lightsaber was on my wish light way back when the sequel trilogy was announced but after thinking about it a lot it seems less likely to occur.
And... I'm just not even sure Fisher wants to do it.
Nicely done,
I think it's less "bad with science" and more "won't let science get in the way of good drama."
It's science fantasy, not a documentary!
Gravity playing around with orbital mechanics is "not letting science get in the way of good drama." Observing from the surface of a planet as laser beams destroy planets in multiple systems is "bad with science." And lazy.Nicely done,
I think it's less "bad with science" and more "won't let science get in the way of good drama."
It's science fantasy, not a documentary!
^It was also unnecessary since Leia could've felt their destruction too. Maybe she could've been like Ben in ANH and felt a great disturbance?
There's being flexible for the sake of drama, then there's the equivalent of being on top of the Sears Tower in Chicago and using binoculars to see what the traffic situation is on the Suez Canal. If you really HAVE to do that for the sake of drama, you're not trying very hard.
There's being flexible for the sake of drama, then there's the equivalent of being on top of the Sears Tower in Chicago and using binoculars to see what the traffic situation is on the Suez Canal. If you really HAVE to do that for the sake of drama, you're not trying very hard.
When Anikan used the force to eat spaghetti, to get laid... That has to be Dark Side, right?
You know how when you're a parent, how you want to throw your kids against a wall every now and then, but don't because you have this fantastic filter called not being an emotionally volatile telekinetic?
Jedi can't be parents because it turns them to the dark side.
Sith can't be parents because they will accidentally kill their kids every time.
Ben won't latch on to her breast, so she accidentally uses too much force to stuff his mouth with boob, unhinges his jaw and almost drowns him with milk. Now a Japanese Business Man might order that from a vending machine, but it seems a little pear shaped to me.
Remember The Abyss?
2 yards long films of Milk can leave from her boobies, following that boy around the room, and head him off, as the toddler is protesting that he's too old for mommy juice anymore.
You know how when you're a parent, how you want to throw your kids against a wall every now and then, but don't because you have this fantastic filter called not being an emotionally volatile telekinetic?
Jedi can't be parents because it turns them to the dark side.
Sith can't be parents because they will accidentally kill their kids every time.
Ben won't latch on to her breast, so she accidentally uses too much force to stuff his mouth with boob, unhinges his jaw and almost drowns him with milk. Now a Japanese Business Man might order that from a vending machine, but it seems a little pear shaped to me.
Remember The Abyss?
2 yards long films of Milk can leave from her boobies, following that boy around the room, and head him off, as the toddler is protesting that he's too old for mommy juice anymore.
In JJ's version of that scene, they wouldn't need binoculars.
People only learn when there are consequences.
Did Abrams face any consequences for this kind of thing in 09?
No, of course not, and the very idea is laughable. No one cares about a few people complaining on the internet.
So you get what we got.
And then there's the physicality of portraying a Jedi.. Carrie Fisher is not young anymore and lightsabre fighting may prove to be too exhausting for her.
I'll be curious to see if Luke will do some fight scenes in the new movies.. if he does i guess the movie theater will go nuts seeing him in action again
I know she's old, but she's probably in better shape than Alec Guinness was in ANH or Christopher Lee was in the prequels.
Which makes Rey's abilities as an untrained neophyte all the less plausible.
Also Ian Mcdiarmid, was older when he had his fight scenes in Episode III, than Fisher is now. It's totally possible and plausible, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.And then there's the physicality of portraying a Jedi.. Carrie Fisher is not young anymore and lightsabre fighting may prove to be too exhausting for her.
I'll be curious to see if Luke will do some fight scenes in the new movies.. if he does i guess the movie theater will go nuts seeing him in action again
I know she's old, but she's probably in better shape than Alec Guinness was in ANH or Christopher Lee was in the prequels.
I think a lot of Rey's abilities stem from JJ's 'speed of plot' way of story telling. Like how Rey used the Jedi Mind Trick on that Storm Trooper, but from the beginning of the film, Rey was a non-believer and had never heard or seen the Mind Trick before she did it. It's been said before, but TFA has a lot of these 'conveniences' that help move the plot long.
We don't really know how the Force works, or what someone with it can do without training. Our sample size is low. Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, Anakin Skywalker, and Rey. All potentally related, depending on Rey's parentage. We know Annakin could see things before they happened. Leia was able to sense Luke without any training. Luke didn't get much in the way of training until he got to Yoda and got a crash course in how to be a Jedi. About all Obi-wan did was get him to trust the Force and show it can do about anything if you believe in it and let it in.
Lets imagine that George Lucas gets drunk in public sometimes.
When this happens, he answers questions, or volunteers answers to whoever is standing close by.
There are probably a lot of people out there in the world, over the last 35 years, who think that they have reliably been told exactly how the force works.
When this happens, he answers questions, or volunteers answers to whoever is standing close by.
There are probably a lot of people out there in the world, over the last 35 years, who think that they have reliably been told exactly how the force works.
Here's how I could see Leia falling for the dark side:
Leia finds Kylo and senses Ben in him. Rey doesn't and strikes him down. Leia filled with rage of losing her son, starts using the dark side of the force (shoots lightning etc) and battles Rey, accusing her killing her son and that he turned good again.
Another scenario I can think of is Leia blaming Snoke for turning her son, and while she tries to kill him, she taps into the dark side of the force, not realizing it until it's too late.
Neither of those scenarios are too likely, but just shows that it's still possible to have Leia fall to the dark side
Leia finds Kylo and senses Ben in him. Rey doesn't and strikes him down. Leia filled with rage of losing her son, starts using the dark side of the force (shoots lightning etc) and battles Rey, accusing her killing her son and that he turned good again.
Another scenario I can think of is Leia blaming Snoke for turning her son, and while she tries to kill him, she taps into the dark side of the force, not realizing it until it's too late.
Neither of those scenarios are too likely, but just shows that it's still possible to have Leia fall to the dark side
I don't think it works like this for real people (and i know we are talking about movie characters).
Everyone of us had a moment (or more) in his life when he lost his shit or did something bad on purpose not caring for the consequences for others (i assume). Did that put us on the path to be murdering psycho killers?
Star Wars never was, and probably never will be, a nuanced psychological piece on morality and its repercussions. It paints in broad and easily understandable strokes, it uses clear black and white distinctions because it is space fantasy and not a treatise on the human condition.
Just because a Jedi dips his toe in the water, metaphorically speaking, doesn't mean he has to be sucked in completely. This absolute thinking that Obi Wan accuses Anakin of also applies to Jedi themselves, sometimes i had the feeling the Jedi would like to put you away if you ever have plucked the wings off a fly just because you could.
In the now defunct EU novels there was at one point (and maybe in other novels too) the son of Han, Jacen Solo, who was a Jedi at that point and was captured/tortured by a Jedi who worked for the enemy (but had her own agenda).
The enemy Jedi didn't try to put Jacen on the path to the Dark Side but opened his mind to the possibility of there being more than absolute Black or White, i.e. all kinds of shades in between and that it was up to the person itself to choose his own way and decide for himself if his action were justifiable.
It said that it was ok to feel anger and to use it because if you were a good person at the core then you would not be affected.. this was the concept of Grey Jedi i believe and sounded much more realistic to me.
Use of the dark side is supposed to be inherently corruptive in nature, on some level. This is something Lucas arguably tried to convey in the OT.
This is the fallacy of every would-be Nietzschean superman. The rules don't apply to you, you can fly as close to the sun as you want to, et cetera... as long as your heart is pure. But there's a reason why Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel won't use the Ring.
This is the fallacy of every would-be Nietzschean superman. The rules don't apply to you, you can fly as close to the sun as you want to, et cetera... as long as your heart is pure. But there's a reason why Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel won't use the Ring.
Lucas tended to use symbolism a lot in the OT. In Return of the Jedi, Luke wore black, and dabbled in the dark side a bit. But at the end, the black outfit he had had an open flap that had white under it. The symbolism was that in the end Luke would not turn to the Dark Side. That he had overcome the temptations.
We cannot know what would happen to Leia with such powers. She seemed far more emotional than Luke at times, or at least more prone to anger and annoyance. She also seemed to have a larger ability for all emotions though. Compassion even with her huge loses.
We cannot know what would happen to Leia with such powers. She seemed far more emotional than Luke at times, or at least more prone to anger and annoyance. She also seemed to have a larger ability for all emotions though. Compassion even with her huge loses.
Yes, I was disappointed that she wasn't portrayed as developing her Force abilities. It always seemed to me she had to have called on the Force to choke Jabba to death with that chain. I could have easily seen her on a mission or training recruits at a new Jedi temple in TFA. Instead they kept her in that drab military role.