Ah, that would explain a lot, including why there's a mystery behind how they got lowered.
Captain Phasma (Spoilers)
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Ah, that would explain a lot, including why there's a mystery behind how they got lowered.
I can reject things that I consider. I've even been known to change my mind on occasion, but it takes a compelling argument and not just a satement of emotion on a subject as if that is case closed. You are defaulting to attacks and dismissal and mantras based on assumptions of ideology rather than engaging in the conversation honestly as if I were -heaven forbid- some kind of individual with thoughts and opinions that neither align with your own nor seek their destruction.
This is why we can't have nice things.
That post reads like "I'm such a victim because women question my privilege". My sympathy is limited.
And a man complaining about why we can't have nice things is just beautiful. Your post is so completely lacking any kind of self-awareness or understanding of the concepts I outlined above that it's utterly pointless to keep discussing. Are you going to move on now or keep complaining about how evil we are? I think the thread wouldn't benefit much if you chose the latter. I've tried to get it back on track once already and I'm not going to reply to you again.
And a man complaining about why we can't have nice things is just beautiful. Your post is so completely lacking any kind of self-awareness or understanding of the concepts I outlined above that it's utterly pointless to keep discussing. Are you going to move on now or keep complaining about how evil we are? I think the thread wouldn't benefit much if you chose the latter. I've tried to get it back on track once already and I'm not going to reply to you again.
Great new(ish) interview with Gwendoline post-release of the film. She describes being in a "state of awe" during filming and therefore not noticing any discomfort of the costume.
http://abc7chicago.com/entertainment/gwendoline-christie-talk-star-wars-the-force-awakens/1130708/
Although they do touch on the topic of Phasma being an iconic new next-gen lady baddie, I was hoping she might weigh in on her opinion of the final cut of the film. I'm just certain her best stuff ended up being cut out - as it was hyped during the press tour that she was going to be kicking major butt.
http://abc7chicago.com/entertainment/gwendoline-christie-talk-star-wars-the-force-awakens/1130708/
Although they do touch on the topic of Phasma being an iconic new next-gen lady baddie, I was hoping she might weigh in on her opinion of the final cut of the film. I'm just certain her best stuff ended up being cut out - as it was hyped during the press tour that she was going to be kicking major butt.
Is there a mystery?
Did the Imperials... I mean... First Order guys talk about how the shields got lowered? I honestly don't remember that. I wonder if Phasma really ended up in a garbage compactor.
In Episode VIII: The First Order Strikes Back, during a dark time for THE RESISTANCE, when the evil KYLO REN is obsessed with finding young REY, he will make it clear that the troops must bring her in alive, and he will turn to PHASMA and pointedly say "No disintegrations!"
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Yes, there's a mystery. At least two, actually, one in how Han and company got the shields down and another in what happened to Phasma. My point was that Phasma actually having aided the Resistance would account for why weren't shown any of that: If she were aiding the Resistance, then showing all that would be a reveal. So, not showing it would (from a certain point of view, see below) protect the hypothetical twist that Phasma is really with the Resistance. In other words, it would explain why it was handled in a way that makes it seem mysterious. That sort of elision to cover a reveal is an actual trope. Often, though, it telegraphs the reveal. In this case, I'm not quite sure what the truth is, but I like it a lot better now that I see her being in the Resistance as a tenable possibility. The elision no longer seems like so much of a defect to me now, despite my wanting to have seen an actual conversation with Phasma face-to-face.
That is an interesting thought. I suppose my issue with that would be: Why didn't Phasma reveal herself as a Resistance spy to Rey, Finn and Han then? Or did she after Han threatened her with the garbage compactor?
And it does pose some serious ethical questions when a Resistance spy actually helps the First Order kill a whole bunch of civilians on Jakku. Or doesn't try and sabotage the Starkiller Base before it destroys planets.
Didn't have any more interest in seeing Phasma unmasked than I ever did with any other masked evil minion in the Star Wars universe; this ain't Lucha Libre and the whole threat-of-death thing was motivator enough in the scene. Had forgotten that was Gwendoline Christie though.
Well, two of those three are brand new to the resistance, and Han had been on an extended walkabout, so perhaps she didn't know them. Maybe she was on a deep cover mission with a different end goal that wouldn't allow her to intervene in small scale atrocities in order to preserve cover for something bigger.
If they felt the desire to have a "name" in the suit, the least they could have done is had her shown without the mask, otherwise she could have just pulled a JEJ and just been a dubbed voice. The role was wasted in this film.
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Okay here's how I interpreted the Starkiller Base destruction, correct me if I'm wrong:
Phasma was held at gunpoint, lowers the shields. Right after the, "I'm in charge, Phasma, I'M IN CHARGE!" scene with Finn. We see Rey (inexplicably) enter the base with a First Order blaster.
Han and Chewie's explosive charges weren't enough to bring down the oscillator. At one point the Resistance command says that it's damaged but not destroyed. That's when Poe and his squadron fly inside it to finish it off.
Phasma was held at gunpoint, lowers the shields. Right after the, "I'm in charge, Phasma, I'M IN CHARGE!" scene with Finn. We see Rey (inexplicably) enter the base with a First Order blaster.
Han and Chewie's explosive charges weren't enough to bring down the oscillator. At one point the Resistance command says that it's damaged but not destroyed. That's when Poe and his squadron fly inside it to finish it off.
She instructed the guy who released her to leave his blaster behind.
Most of those "names" did the cameo just so they could say they were in Star Wars.
If they put a "name" in the Captain Phasma role becuse they felt it was a role that deserved such an actress then I think seeing her face would have been good, otherwise as said, they could have easily dubbed her voice over.
Another theoretical possibility might be that Phasma wasn't a Resistance agent on a mission, deep cover or otherwise, but rather that she developed doubts which she felt powerless to act on until given that opportunity.
Maybe her conditioning wore off and she was never forced into reconditioning because she kept acting the way she was supposed to, no one noticed, and/or as an officer in her position she wasn't subjected to enough oversight to get spotted.
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