Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion (HERE THERE BE SPOILERS)
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He's that good.
We got the interaction with Han Solo that people wanted. What was missing of course was Luke, but we can expect to see his interactions next movie.
It wasn't interactions between the old main cast that was wanted entirely. It was how they act with the new cast so they can pass the touch to the new characters for us to follow. We retroactively got this with Obi-wan Kenobi after seeing him for all three Prequel movies then passing the torch to Luke and somewhat Han. He never really interacts with Leia aside one sided talk as a hologram.
So we get Finn and Rey to interact with Han. A small amount of interaction with Leia. and next time we get Rey with Luke. Finn might never meet Luke Skywalker. Poe has had interactions with Leia prior to the film, and had a little interaction with Han. He too might never meet Luke.
Kylo of course is known to have interacted with all three in the past, but he's the antagonist. Vader interacted with the three mains at different times as well.
It wasn't interactions between the old main cast that was wanted entirely. It was how they act with the new cast so they can pass the touch to the new characters for us to follow. We retroactively got this with Obi-wan Kenobi after seeing him for all three Prequel movies then passing the torch to Luke and somewhat Han. He never really interacts with Leia aside one sided talk as a hologram.
So we get Finn and Rey to interact with Han. A small amount of interaction with Leia. and next time we get Rey with Luke. Finn might never meet Luke Skywalker. Poe has had interactions with Leia prior to the film, and had a little interaction with Han. He too might never meet Luke.
Kylo of course is known to have interacted with all three in the past, but he's the antagonist. Vader interacted with the three mains at different times as well.
You and I are in agreement, sir. Merry Christmas to you and the rest of the Adams clan.
I don't mind Rey beating him in a fight. He's been bleeding out for hours at that point, he clearly isn't an expert, and she's innately strong with the Force. Jedi talk about how "the Force was with me", and clearly it was with Rey there, giving her power beyond what she'd normally be capable of. Plus, I'm totally convinced she's Luke's kid
I too am coming around to this view.
I also think when people are saying they love the new character and don't care if they are all killed or just have cameos they are fine with that. Han Solo made this last movie he had way more than a cameo. If Luke gets only training time with Rey in the next film I doubt these same people will say "Eh I like Rey and the other newbies the originals time is over. The new crew is great."
A good example of new characters taken over a franchise would be Star Trek The Next Generation. While the show was popular back in the 80s and 90s and they had a few films the show is largely on the back burner today and its legacy is not as great as the original show. The reason is that Next Gen did it second and it was not a original concept. The same is true for Star Wars. The OT will always be loved more because when it came out there was nothing like it seen before. I'm sure these new ones will be popular while they are out but they will be nowhere near as legendary as the OT. I mean we already got a near identical story for the first movie. Abrams knew that the newbies couldn't carry the film on their own so he put the original cast in because he knew that it would help the film. My guess is when all the originals are killed the popularity will die down and some fans may actually be angry that the OT characters never really got a happy ending. We will still Chewie, R2 and Threepio probably in future films because they don't age and the actors can be changed without anyone being able to tell the difference.
Most of this is just my guess but it certainly can happen.
Is there a specific reason you're just going on and on about this even though people keep saying the new cast is great?
If I was faced with the question of either seeing Rey OR Luke in the next movie I'd pick Rey again. No contest. That said I'm still totally looking forward to seeing Luke. And it's not like we're even going to face that decision. They'll both be in it, yay.
If I was faced with the question of either seeing Rey OR Luke in the next movie I'd pick Rey again. No contest. That said I'm still totally looking forward to seeing Luke. And it's not like we're even going to face that decision. They'll both be in it, yay.
There's no reason to assume that all of the remaining original characters are going to be killed off. Not all of the revered senior leadership in the OT were killed onscreen just because Obi-Wan died. And this time around, characters like Leia and Luke are taking more of a back-seat senior role while the new generation is more directly involved in the action.
Han Solo died because Harrison Ford wanted the character to die. In fact, he wanted the character to die way back in ROTJ. Indications are that in an earlier version of the TFA script, Solo lived happily ever after with Leia.
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I'm just saying that the new cast didn't make this movie. Harrison was the star. Han and Chewie made this movie. If they weren't in it I doubt people would be gushing over it.
Again its a entertaining movie but it really is just a remake of ANH. Even Hans death echoed Ben Kenobi. We even had a cantina scene for petes sake.
The point I am making is everyone is acting like Lucas sucks and the prequels suck but Abrams basically gave us a remake of ANH and that was all Lucas. You guys got what you wanted another SW:ANH. The blueprints of this movie are from George Lucas. He deserves a screenwriting credit for the basic story outline at least. Am I the only one seeing the irony here? The reality is that this movie has Lucas written all over it but no one wants to admit it. The very person the more rabid SW fans hate because of the prequels owe this movie to him. I find that amusing.
Still its the same. The Star Killer base(AKA Deathstar III) even had some kind of trench carved into the planet. Come on. What the heck was the purpose for the trench this time? A throwback to the 2 other deathstars? I really hope this is the last movie with a deathstar.
Harrison was a star, not the star - that'd be Daisy Ridley (this is her character's story, and she carried her parts of the film with a great deal of skill). And yes, the OT cast gave legitimacy to the film. But audiences wouldn't be gushing over it had it only been the OT characters (and a handful of minor supporting characters).
Fact is, the film works because it does an exceptional job of bridging old and new. That doesn't happen without tons of viewers connecting with Rey, Finn, Poe and, to some extent, Ren.
While I liked the new cast(Poe was my favorite new character) I really didn't get into the movie until I saw the Falcon and really was immersed when Han showed up. Rey was good but something about her hasn't quite caught on with me yet. I expect the next film to change that once she get her scenes with Luke. I found Finn ok but they really need to do something with his character. His fawning over Rey will tire very soon.
You must not be reading the same reviews and reactions I have, because I've seen nothing but non-stop praise and gushing over Ridley the past week, with a whole lot of people saying Rey was the best and most compelling character in the movie.
You like the OT characters better than the new ones. You're prerogative. And there's nothing wrong with personal preference. But that doesn't translate into sweeping statements like, "I doubt these same people will say..."
Go on sharing your own opinions, but I'd caution against making presumption on the opinions of others.
Its not a far stretch to suggest that the movies wouldn't have been as popular if Han wasn't such a large part. The originals being in these is what has had people excited for the last year and a half. Now if the newbies are gaining popularity that's great but I still don't think they are at the point where they can carry a Star Wars movie on their own. Not from this fans perspective anyway.
As I said above, what carried this film was having both present. The OT characters couldn't have been this successful on their own, and they added gravitas and legitimacy to the new characters who were memorable, dynamic, and exceptional in their own right.
This doesn't take away from either. It's not a zero-sum argument. Not sure why it needs to be a quasi-competition in the first place.
This doesn't take away from either. It's not a zero-sum argument. Not sure why it needs to be a quasi-competition in the first place.
I thought that the new cast was really impressive. Rey, Poe, and Finn were fun characters. "Kylo Ben" also worked really well, I thought. He and Rey seemed to be the primary focus.
But I'd really like to have seen more of Phasma, Hux, and Max von Sydow's character San Tekka. I also felt like Ackbar and Nien Nunb were wasted.
The only new character that didn't really work for me was Maz Kanata, the nuYoda type with the magnified eyes.
But I'd really like to have seen more of Phasma, Hux, and Max von Sydow's character San Tekka. I also felt like Ackbar and Nien Nunb were wasted.
The only new character that didn't really work for me was Maz Kanata, the nuYoda type with the magnified eyes.
Going in, I honestly didn't expect the OT characters to have as much presence as they did. I was fully expecting and accepting that they'd all have Luke-amounts of screentime - especially after Ford ended up in hospital
It was a nice surprise that Han ended up with so much presence, but evidently it was never a deal-breaker for me.
I read somewhere that Phasma is expected to have a bigger role next time around. Rogue Squadron is the next one, right?
It was a nice surprise that Han ended up with so much presence, but evidently it was never a deal-breaker for me.
I read somewhere that Phasma is expected to have a bigger role next time around. Rogue Squadron is the next one, right?
As I said above, what carried this film was having both present. The OT characters couldn't have been this successful on their own, and they added gravitas and legitimacy to the new characters who were memorable, dynamic, and exceptional in their own right.
This doesn't take away from either. It's not a zero-sum argument. Not sure why it needs to be a quasi-competition in the first place.
Well I am willing to admit I like the film mostly because Han was in it and will probably only like the next one because Luke will have more screen time.
