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“Heaven Sent” Grade and Discussion Thread

What did you think of tonight's episode

  • One in a Million

    Votes: 73 62.9%
  • One Man Army

    Votes: 24 20.7%
  • One Man Band

    Votes: 12 10.3%
  • One is not Amused

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • One out of Ten

    Votes: 3 2.6%

  • Total voters
    116
We may not have come in (as viewers) to the first iteration of these cycles.
Of course not, we came in 7000 years into the whole ordeal. He says as much when he is up on the tower.

I had a realisation about this recently. There was a 'prequel' short released for this, as there have been for many 'important' episodes. But the prequel to "Heaven Sent" turned out to only be the opening scene of the episode, where the Doctor steps out of the teleporter and warns whoever is behind this about what a badass he is going to be.

At first I was disappointed in that, because the prequels normally have additional material and story, not just the same scene released early. But then I realised - this is a clue. The prequel is showing us one of the earlier iterations of the loop. The fact that it's identical to the first scene of the episode is kind of the point - it's just that we can't possibly realise that until later.


When did the Doctor get it back from Missy? In the opening two-parter, obviously, but I can't actually remember the scene where it happens.

It had been taken from Missy when the three of them were captured by Colony Sarff. After that it was in the little box of trinkets in Davros's laboratory with his sunglasses. Presumably he picked it up out of there when they were making their escape, while Missy poked Davros in the eye. He certainly had it back in his pocket by the end of "Witch's Familiar."

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I thought he asks for it back and she obliges in the corridor where they were with the Clarek?
 
When did the Doctor get it back from Missy? In the opening two-parter, obviously, but I can't actually remember the scene where it happens.

Missy hands it over to the Doctor when her and Clara meet with him just after the medieval rock concert.
 
Did anyone else think "Bird..... is the word" and Peter Griffen when they saw that in the sand? :lol:
 
I have no idea what to make of that ep. Gripping and stark, but he location made zero sense, unless (IMO) it was all in his head. It was also weir seeing the Doctor so helpless to change things. Also, where did all the skulls come from? That man is losing calcium! By the last iteration, there'd be so many he wouldn't be able to see out the windows. As usual in the last 2 seasons, shioddy background and setup, nut great acting.
 
Gripping and stark, but he location made zero sense, unless (IMO) it was all in his head.

The castle is inside the Confession Dial. Its Timelord technology, thus bigger on the inside.

Also, where did all the skulls come from?

All of them are The Doctor's skulls.

By the last iteration, there'd be so many he wouldn't be able to see out the windows.

Well it depends on how large the ocean is. From the final scene, it seems to be large enough to hold 2 billion skulls without too much water being displaced upwards.

The bigger concern is conservation of mass/energy... or the apparent lack of it. Apparently the Confession Dial has sufficient energy/mass to "3D print" 2 billion bodies of The Doctor! That's probably enough mass to cover the surface of the earth with.. half an inch of stuff?
 
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The bigger concern is conservation of mass/energy... or the apparent lack of it. Apparently the Confession Dial has sufficient energy/mass to "3D print" 2 billion bodies of The Doctor! That's probably enough mass to cover the surface of the earth with.. half an inch of stuff?

No, the energy to materialize another Doctor came from burning the Doctor's body. It was a recycler/replicator. It would convert the Doctor's body into energy by burning it, then convert the energy back into the Doctor's body.
 
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The bigger concern is conservation of mass/energy... or the apparent lack of it. Apparently the Confession Dial has sufficient energy/mass to "3D print" 2 billion bodies of The Doctor! That's probably enough mass to cover the surface of the earth with.. half an inch of stuff?

No, the energy to materialize another Doctor came from burning the Doctor's body. It was a recycler/replicator. It would convert the Doctor's body into energy by burning it, then convert the energy back into the Doctor's body.

It's still a problem of conservation of energy. Burning up a Doctor minus the skull provides enough energy to create a new Doctor including the skull.

But... this is Doctor Who. The MST3K mantra applies.
 
It's still a problem of conservation of energy. Burning up a Doctor minus the skull provides enough energy to create a new Doctor including the skull.

But... this is Doctor Who. The MST3K mantra applies.

Of course, in the real world, conservation of energy would prohibit it. The energy gained from burning the body minus the skull would be less than the energy lost from reconstituting the body with skull plus there would be some energy loss due to inefficiencies since no process is 100% energy efficient. So the process would necessarily lose energy over time.

It is possible that the machine had some huge amount of energy stored and the energy from burning the body was simply to start the process. But there would still be energy lost. Eventually the "battery" would be dead. But if we imagine that the "battery" is a supernova or something, then perhaps it had enough energy stored to last billions of years. It is Time Lord tech after all, where we know that the TARDIS the size of a phone box on the outside can be powered by an exploding star on the inside.

But, ultimately, we have to chalk it up to "it's a Doctor Who episode" so it is not going to make perfect sense.
 
But... this is Doctor Who. The MST3K mantra applies.

Seriously. I've said it before: This is a show about a time-traveling alien with a preternatural fascination with Great Britain who takes one or more (usually human) companions along to experience adventures through time and space, and the rest comes out in the wash.
 
It's still a problem of conservation of energy. Burning up a Doctor minus the skull provides enough energy to create a new Doctor including the skull.

But... this is Doctor Who. The MST3K mantra applies.

Of course, in the real world, conservation of energy would prohibit it. The energy gained from burning the body minus the skull would be less than the energy lost from reconstituting the body with skull plus there would be some energy loss due to inefficiencies since no process is 100% energy efficient. So the process would necessarily lose energy over time.

It is possible that the machine had some huge amount of energy stored and the energy from burning the body was simply to start the process. But there would still be energy lost. Eventually the "battery" would be dead. But if we imagine that the "battery" is a supernova or something, then perhaps it had enough energy stored to last billions of years. It is Time Lord tech after all, where we know that the TARDIS the size of a phone box on the outside can be powered by an exploding star on the inside.

But, ultimately, we have to chalk it up to "it's a Doctor Who episode" so it is not going to make perfect sense.
For whatever it's worth, the ENTIRE scenario was said to take place within a "closed energy loop," if that means anything.
 
No, but we see his body (or his hand, at least) vanish when the room resets itself. His skull, however, remains attached to the machine for some reason.

Remember the cybermen--he's still alive--no clean-up. All those skulls.
I'd love to make tons of copies of myself--but have each do work in a different field of research--so a version of me could read every book--then somehow--re-integrate.
 
No, but we see his body (or his hand, at least) vanish when the room resets itself. His skull, however, remains attached to the machine for some reason.

Remember the cybermen--he's still alive--no clean-up. All those skulls.
I'd love to make tons of copies of myself--but have each do work in a different field of research--so a version of me could read every book--then somehow--re-integrate.

Re-integrate all those copies??? Now that's just crazy talk.
 
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