Can someone remind me why Ollie's baby mama didn't want Felicity to know about his son? I think I missed the rationale last night.
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I think, she just realized how toxic of an environment to grow up in the Queen family was and wanted her child away from it all.
She didn't want her son to be a Queen.
The crossover parts of the episode were pretty good, especially Flash's time jumping. The Arrow parts, especially the pre-time jump Felicity/Oliver argument, are exactly why I stopped watching Arrow. Luckily, there was more Flash/Arrow stuff then just Arrow stuff, but this part was definitely weaker then the first part of the crossover. Part 2 was still good, but held back by Arrow's soap opera drama.
I think you missed the spelling of the names. I was talking about Hank Hall and Dawn Granger.
Not, Hank and his brother Don Hall.
Don has been dead since COIE. Since then, Dove has been a woman named Dawn.
The duo of Hank and Dawn is supposed to be a partnership/big brother-little sister relationship. However, it's slid to many times into pairing trash. With Dawn, playing the role of submissive wife, and following by Hank and trying to calm him down before he does something stupid. Which he ends up doing anyway.
I thought both episodes were really good. And, yeah, I'm on board with it being the kid in the grave. The only reason I didn't think of it earlier is because I'd totally forgotten about him.
I can say I really cared for the Hawks' costumes, though. As ridiculous as it was, I think Shanks's was better.
I can say I really cared for the Hawks' costumes, though. As ridiculous as it was, I think Shanks's was better.
I didn't enjoy this one quite as much as the Flash half of the crossover, but it was still good.
The main Hawks/Savage stuff was just as good as the first half. The only issue is that I do agree with the other people who weren't thrilled with the Hawks' relationship. There was a lot more chemistry between Kendra and Cisco than her and Hawkman, so I was kind of annoyed when the Hawks went off together at the end. It felt like the relationship was just there because of the story, and not because the characters had real chemistry.
I wasn't to bothered by the kid drama with Ollie. I was just glad they finally dealt with it after setting it up all the way back in Season 1. I just hope he eventually tells Felicity because it drives me crazy when characters hide stuff like this from each other, just so the writers can add a bit more relationship drama to the show.
The end was a big surprise for me, I'm curious what this is going to mean for Malcolm going forward. It does explain how he knew so much about Vandal.
The main Hawks/Savage stuff was just as good as the first half. The only issue is that I do agree with the other people who weren't thrilled with the Hawks' relationship. There was a lot more chemistry between Kendra and Cisco than her and Hawkman, so I was kind of annoyed when the Hawks went off together at the end. It felt like the relationship was just there because of the story, and not because the characters had real chemistry.
I wasn't to bothered by the kid drama with Ollie. I was just glad they finally dealt with it after setting it up all the way back in Season 1. I just hope he eventually tells Felicity because it drives me crazy when characters hide stuff like this from each other, just so the writers can add a bit more relationship drama to the show.
The end was a big surprise for me, I'm curious what this is going to mean for Malcolm going forward. It does explain how he knew so much about Vandal.
I am afraid he won't. That was the heavily foreshadowed by the aborted timeline where Felicity lost all trust in him and all but ended the relationship right there on the spot.
She will inevitably find out and that will cause more severe drama.
This was the dumbest thing Ollie could have done, not telling her.
Where is the harm in Felicity knowing?
I waited until this morning to watch both parts of this crossover back-to-back as a movie, and it worked well that way. It was kind of hard to tell where one series left off and the other began, aside from the Flash episode having the Wells/Jay subplot, and aside from Laurel not showing up until part 2. The Flash episode was set mostly in Star City and the Arrow episode mostly in Central City.
Did anyone see the closed-captioned spelling of Kendra's "real" name? It sounded like they were saying "Chay-ara" rather than Shayera or Shiera. Heck, there was one point (in part 1, I think) where Caspar Crump pronounced it "Sharara."
The Ancient Egypt flashbacks were really cheesy, and had the perennial problem of casting mostly white people (and one Latina) as ancient Egyptians. And Cisco's rationale for coining the name "Nth metal" was entirely feeble.
I can see the logic of conflating Vandal Savage with the other immortal guy who plagued the Hawks, but it's a bit of a letdown to have him be only 4000 years old instead of having survived since prehistory. Although Legends might reveal that there's more to his backstory than Hawkman knew.
Well, maybe that tension between them is intentional. Maybe Legends will explore the conflict between the Hawks' "destined" love and the fact that Kendra doesn't really like Carter and doesn't want to be bound by her past lives.
Yeah, keeping that secret makes no sense. He shouldn't have agreed to that.
Did anyone see the closed-captioned spelling of Kendra's "real" name? It sounded like they were saying "Chay-ara" rather than Shayera or Shiera. Heck, there was one point (in part 1, I think) where Caspar Crump pronounced it "Sharara."
The Ancient Egypt flashbacks were really cheesy, and had the perennial problem of casting mostly white people (and one Latina) as ancient Egyptians. And Cisco's rationale for coining the name "Nth metal" was entirely feeble.
I can see the logic of conflating Vandal Savage with the other immortal guy who plagued the Hawks, but it's a bit of a letdown to have him be only 4000 years old instead of having survived since prehistory. Although Legends might reveal that there's more to his backstory than Hawkman knew.
Well, maybe that tension between them is intentional. Maybe Legends will explore the conflict between the Hawks' "destined" love and the fact that Kendra doesn't really like Carter and doesn't want to be bound by her past lives.
Yeah, keeping that secret makes no sense. He shouldn't have agreed to that.
My mistake. I honestly haven't kept up with the comics for well over a decade (and even then not so much.)
Still, that pair being a thing that exists is hardly an excuse for such a poorly executed relationship here in this show.
What are you guys talking about? keeping secrets from each other is what Arrow is all about! :P
It was an interesting counterpoint to use the time loop as a way to fix things (thus getting over Barry's reluctance thanks to the previous time), and ironic that they fixed absolutely everything that went wrong EXCEPT this. Obviously it will have repercussions - I'm fairly certain that two words guaranteed to derail an electoral campaign are "illegitimate child"! OTOH, there was barely a mention of said campaign this week. I know he's running unopposed, but that no one noticed he dropped everything and left for at least a few days (instead of just vanishing at night) was weird.
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It was an interesting counterpoint to use the time loop as a way to fix things (thus getting over Barry's reluctance thanks to the previous time), and ironic that they fixed absolutely everything that went wrong EXCEPT this. Obviously it will have repercussions - I'm fairly certain that two words guaranteed to derail an electoral campaign are "illegitimate child"! OTOH, there was barely a mention of said campaign this week. I know he's running unopposed, but that no one noticed he dropped everything and left for at least a few days (instead of just vanishing at night) was weird.
Mark
A million years ago (11 years ago?) Hawk and Dove (animated) were played by Fred Savage and Jason Hervey, who a million years ago (29 years ago?) played the brothers on The Wonder Years.
Weird.
Fred played Hawk?
Bigger role for a bigger star, but frankly unless Jason is a real sweety, he feels more like Hawk to me based on reruns of the Wonder Years.
Weird.
Fred played Hawk?
Bigger role for a bigger star, but frankly unless Jason is a real sweety, he feels more like Hawk to me based on reruns of the Wonder Years.
Okay, thanks.
The whole Felicity/Ollie drama was a weird tangle of business, all around. When she confronted Oliver in the first version of events, her insistence that he tell her immediately even though he just wanted a little time to process everything had me flashing back to the worst seasons of Smallville. Overblown and silly melodrama.
And after she snatched the DNA results from Barry...she recognized Oliver's DNA?!? How in the name of Maury Povich was she able to do that?
Remember the Queen DNA on the arrow that killed Sara?
She spent weeks on that.
She spent weeks on that.
As she said, she's tested his own blood enough times to recognize the pattern. Although I agree that is a bit contrived.
There was probably a bit of deduction involved either. She added 2 and 2 together. That's all.
Vandal Savage, not Randall. He's always been irredeemably evil. I don't know what you mean by again.
He kind of redeemed himself in the Justice League Unlimited episode "Hereafter". It was one of the most memorable episodes I've seen.
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