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Riker's attitude

Riker was more of a horndog than Kirk, I'm fairly sure of that.

That being said, the greatest example of this is in "The Perfect Mate" when Riker barely escapes Kamala, and then he says "I'll be on the holodeck..." :guffaw:


Naw, he was worse in Outcast with the androgynous being. Male, female, he doesn't care, whatever it is, he wants a piece of it.

Soren clearly had female tendencies, that's why Riker was interested in her. He isn't bi.
 
In my opinion he was really an ass in Chain of command
Ain't that the truth. Say what you will about Jellico & whether or not you approve of his command style. Nothing about it excuses Riker's behavior

I always thought he was much more stiff in the first season and lightened up later.
I wouldn't call it lightening up so much as settling in. He was quite relaxed & loosened around HIS crowd, Geordi, Data, Troi, Crusher, & Worf. Anyone else, he had a complete air of pomposity, & elitism. Personally, I really like "Lower Decks" but it does NOT do much to show a positive image of Riker, or even Geordi. Those kids are clearly good officers. Geordi can't get around finding the Vulcan a nuisance, even though a lot of it is cultural differences, & Riker is just a douche to Lavelle. It's Troi & Worf who come off looking good in that episode.

Riker wouldn't give Ro a millimeter of grace until he inadvertently knocked boots with her. Face it, for a guy who'd been carrying the secret of a mutiny around with him, he is want for leniency & forgiveness with others. "Second Chances" didn't help his cause either
 
In my opinion he was really an ass in Chain of command
Ain't that the truth. Say what you will about Jellico & whether or not you approve of his command style. Nothing about it excuses Riker's behavior

I always thought he was much more stiff in the first season and lightened up later.
I wouldn't call it lightening up so much as settling in. He was quite relaxed & loosened around HIS crowd, Geordi, Data, Troi, Crusher, & Worf. Anyone else, he had a complete air of pomposity, & elitism. Personally, I really like "Lower Decks" but it does NOT do much to show a positive image of Riker, or even Geordi. Those kids are clearly good officers. Geordi can't get around finding the Vulcan a nuisance, even though a lot of it is cultural differences, & Riker is just a douche to Lavelle. It's Troi & Worf who come off looking good in that episode.

Riker wouldn't give Ro a millimeter of grace until he inadvertently knocked boots with her. Face it, for a guy who'd been carrying the secret of a mutiny around with him, he is want for leniency & forgiveness with others. "Second Chances" didn't help his cause either

I agree with all of this. Riker was a douchebag. The reason he and Jellicho didn't get along is because they were too similar. I bet Jellicho's manner of command is exactly how Riker behaves on the Titan.

I could never get past Riker's arrogance. I bet the entire crew hated him apart from the command staff and Guinan.
 
Riker was more of a horndog than Kirk, I'm fairly sure of that.

That being said, the greatest example of this is in "The Perfect Mate" when Riker barely escapes Kamala, and then he says "I'll be on the holodeck..." :guffaw:


Naw, he was worse in Outcast with the androgynous being. Male, female, he doesn't care, whatever it is, he wants a piece of it.

Soren clearly had female tendencies, that's why Riker was interested in her. He isn't bi.

So does Bruce Jenner.


But I never thought Riker was Bi, I don't think he'd hit on any other male.
 
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Naw, he was worse in Outcast with the androgynous being. Male, female, he doesn't care, whatever it is, he wants a piece of it.

Soren clearly had female tendencies, that's why Riker was interested in her. He isn't bi.

So does Bruce Jenner.


But I never thought Riker was Bi, I don't think he'd hit on any other male.

He'd totally drop to his knees if Picard told him to make it so.

Then there's his transporter double Thomas Riker. Do you really think he'd turn down the opportunity to make love to himself if the offer was on the table?
 
I bet Jellicho's manner of command is exactly how Riker behaves on the Titan.
Actually, Riker showed to be a lot less decisive when in command

In his defense, I think it's his status going to his head. Say what you will about the silliness of "Conundrum", but it did give the opportunity to show other sides of the characters. Once ranks are dropped, Riker is so personable, cooperative, & unassuming that he not only manages to work exceptionally with Ro, who he'd always been butting heads with, but they even become attracted to each other.
 
Soren clearly had female tendencies, that's why Riker was interested in her. He isn't bi.

So does Bruce Jenner.


But I never thought Riker was Bi, I don't think he'd hit on any other male.

He'd totally drop to his knees if Picard told him to make it so.

Then there's his transporter double Thomas Riker. Do you really think he'd turn down the opportunity to make love to himself if the offer was on the table?

Depends which universe you're in. I never considered this canon though ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-VIA1GUCY

*** warning, cannot be unseen***
 
So does Bruce Jenner.


But I never thought Riker was Bi, I don't think he'd hit on any other male.

He'd totally drop to his knees if Picard told him to make it so.

Then there's his transporter double Thomas Riker. Do you really think he'd turn down the opportunity to make love to himself if the offer was on the table?

Depends which universe you're in. I never considered this canon though ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-VIA1GUCY

*** warning, cannot be unseen***

:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:
 
Something I noticed all these years and I am now re-watching Star Trek: TNG series. What's up with Riker's attitude??? Like he changes greatly over the years as First Officer. For example, during season 1 he is all happy and smiling all the time and very down to earth. Then as we get into the later seasons he is always pissed off and asking everyone if they got a problem and such. Why the big change in his character??? He goes from being everyones friend to having this big chip on his shoulders and got all bitchy. Anyone else know what I mean??

He was very young in the first season so was probably a little bit wet behind the ears for a start. He's the first officer of the Federation's Flagship so that naturally would seem to call for a slightlly higher standard than one would probably get on other Starfleet ships.
As the first officer, he's not there to be everyone's friend as others have already said. He's there to do a very specific job (i.e. making sure that the Enterprise runs smoothly,efficiently and professionally) which is probably one of the reasons why Picard chose him as his first officer.
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I've no particular problem with Riker's attitude. In fact he comes out quite well and does his job in good order.

For the first season or two, Riker is lightheaded. But no different than the rest of the cast - bar Picard.

As the writing tightens up (as Roddenberry becomes more infirm and less involved) the bridge team becomes a more plausible group. The Broccoli stuff is something that may very well happen in an office environment and the writers clearly made the decision to get the audience to identify with a contemporary office dynamic rather than extol a higher vision.

He is tough on the lower orders. But they aren't seasoned officers like the senior officers. A little bit of trail by fire is what junior officers need. They can hardly face down a hideous monster-of-the-week if Riker being rude to them has the tears flowin'. As XO, Riker plays the bad cop, Troi the shoulder to cry on and Picard has the final say if it reaches his desk.

Riker is tough but correct in Tin Man. Elbrun has an undue fixation with his subject and has a history of this, the interests of the Enterprise barely feature on his radar and he causes the Enterprise alot of serious mayhem as a result. Tam maybe a 'nice guy' but Riker was on point here.

Ro Laren was in prison over the deaths of Starfleet officers. Again, an XO isn't going to be pleased with having an officer who continues to be wilful and unapologetic and who has a dangerous record like that. They are going to clash.

Riker is poor in Chain of Command, I'll grant that. He's completely defeated by this Jellico guy and its amusing to watch Jellico completely write the guy off! I did feel the final break between the two men and the accompanying shouting match to be a bit forced and overacted mind you. But the writers were short of time to develop the clash as Mr. Stewart was hogging the airtime.

But overall Riker is a good and plausible XO. He does a good job.
 
Riker wouldn't give Ro a millimeter of grace until he inadvertently knocked boots with her.

Considering Ro's crimes (disobeying orders and getting eight members of her away team killed as a result), I can hardly blame him. And that's on top of Ro's obnoxious attitude the moment they first meet. Given all these things, Riker seems to believe - quite justifiably so, IMHO - that he shouldn't give Ro a break because she clearly doesn't deserve one.

And no, Riker's past on the Pegasus doesn't even come close. All he did back then was defend his captain against a mutiny. Riker wasn't responsible for what led to that mutiny in the first place; and, as the greenest of ensigns, he was hardly in a position to raise a question about it anyway.
 
^Never? He should never cut her some slack? I mean, I can understand the objections when she was assigned by admiralty to that mission. Everyone including Picard & RO objected, Which is why she had an attitude. She was being forced to participate in shady dealings, but at the end, Picard takes her in, makes her a part of the crew. Gives her a chance, based on how she behaved in coming forward during that mission. She behaved honorably, when the chips were down, & she was under the thumb of corruption. Picard saw honor in her, & believed that she could grow up enough to put behind her the impetuous person she'd been, who got her away team killed (Picard having some experience in being young & impetuous) Should Riker just ride her the rest of their service together, when in fact, she has no real trouble adjusting to Picard's command nor any of the others in command?

If we are to believe that Riker respects Picard, & his choices, & takes the lead from him, then he should have stowed the baggage & followed suit, but he didn't, & he likely never would have, had the "Conundrum" event never occurred, when they got to see through the posturing on both sides, him hating her roguish nature, & her hating his obligatory rank pulling. It's only after they drop ranks in that episode, that the 2 of them realize that the gears they were grinding against one another weren't really personal. They were chips on their shoulders that once dropped, left them very agreeable to one another

& by the by, Riker's dishonor in the Pegasus incident isn't that he was ignorantly following his captain during the mutiny. It's that later, he figured out what really went down. LONG before the events of the episode, & colluded to keep it secret by not coming forward. He let those people's deaths be for nothing, once he knew why they had died, trying to deactivate a tech that was in violation of treaty

Ro, hot head that she is, made one stupid decision that had tragic consequences, & never even defended herself. She took her lumps. Riker, was just a blind cadet, who got wrapped up in a big ugly, & when it went south, he was a party to conspiracy for the rest of his days, or at least would've been had they never found the ship. Riker came forward when the chips were down too, but his chips took a lot longer to fall than Ro's in "Ensign Ro", & that's the dishonor he must bear. That he betrayed all his dead crewmates for so long by not letting the truth come out.

Could he have come forward, realistically, & had any impact beyond getting himself removed from service? Maybe not, but it's still dishonor. He was a party to conspiracy to hide the truth from the official record & authorities, to protect the illegal secret that he eventually had to have recognized, & yet Ro comes forward almost immediately to out the corruption in her 1st mission with them. You'd think Riker might see the value in that the way Picard did, but no, not until he had it embarrassingly dumped in his lap when they lost their memories & got romantic with each other
 
Well, the Pressman stuff is lousy. If the Pegasus had been destroyed and never found, Riker would've presumably 'let sleeping dogs lie' on that one.

As for Ro, Riker does accept Ro but just isn't happy with her because she's still wilful so there's tension there. That's a plausible attitude.
 
I imagine that Riker's actions in coming forward when he did, some notable conspicuous acts in his service, & Picard's backing is the only thing that kept him from getting busted down after The Pegasus. He aided in the cover-up of a mutiny that led to nearly all hands being lost. That one sticks with you.
 
Riker probably got some leeway as he's the hero of the borg crisis and he's a little fish compared to the senior brass that were far higher up the food chain.
 
Riker was more of a horndog than Kirk, I'm fairly sure of that.

That being said, the greatest example of this is in "The Perfect Mate" when Riker barely escapes Kamala, and then he says "I'll be on the holodeck..." :guffaw:
"Doing what, Number One?"
"What do you think?!"
 
He aided in the cover-up of a mutiny that led to nearly all hands being lost. That one sticks with you.

Unless Riker did more than not talking about it to cover it up, he probably would have still gotten some slack since he was still a green, wet behind the ears Ensign like Kim was before he first met Tom Paris. He was probably threatened into not saying anything, and/or was afraid to once he realized the ramifications after getting back to spacedock or wherever the survivors were taken to...
 
I doubt it came to threats against Riker, which kept him in wrongful silence. More likely Pressman used his naïveté against him & conned him into it, not all that dissimilarly to what happened to Wes in The First Duty. Fed him a lot of bologna, & Riker bought it, & willfully kept aspects of the events unsaid, because it might make the captain look bad.

Will didn't just defend Pressman with a phaser. He defended him with silence, & likely prevarication, which he MUST have eventually realized was obtained with self-serving manipulation, which is why he is displeased to see him again. If you know the guy is bad news when he shows up, then you've long since determined you were wrong in supporting him, which means you know you were lawfully wrongful, & have an obligation to right it, but because it would've likely meant ending his career to do so, he didn't. He bought his career by dishonoring the memory of his crew mates for as long as he could, before the house of cards was going to collapse. I bet he even got mighty useful recommendations on his record, from Pressman, during his meteoric rise up the ranks. That's sullied, man, damn sullied. That isn't just a green ensign making that choice, that's a grown man who makes it every day, with every pip he earns

It's why I believe he secretly pushes away becoming a captain himself for so long. He knows in his heart he only has his uniform because he bought it with lies, & doesn't deserve his own command
 
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