What's with people saying Into Darkness wasn't as profitable?

[Squiggy]

All Abrams haters?
Some Abrams haters?
All people saying so are Abrams haters?
Do any Abrams lovers say this?
Does anyone who doesn't care who made it and which universe it is in say this?

I'm just trying to see past the prejudice. Isn't it a little like saying (some portion of) star trek fans suck?

All the people who say this are Abrams haters.
Not all the Abrams haters say this.

 

[eyeresist]

I think why they say it wasn't as profitable was because the studio was expecting it to make a lot more than it actually did. Not marginally more. They were wanting a 'Batman Begins' ----> 'The Dark Knight' type of success.

I hadn't thought of this before, but I can definitely see the studio regarding Khan as the Trek equivalent of Joker, so therefore PROFIT.

 

[Greg Cox]

It doesn't help that we use the same words to describe both critical and commercial disappointments: flop, turkey, bomb, failure, etc. Even though the two don't always go together. We're also sometimes too quick to assume that if we didn't like a movie then it must have failed at the box office, too. "But I don't know anyone who likes it, so it surely lost money, right?"

For the record, WATERWORLD, DAREDEVIL, SPECIES, and the first STARGATE movie all made money (in some cases, a lot of money) even though I've met people who were convinced that they were enormous commercial failures.

 

[137th Gebirg]

 

[Jedi_Master]

It doesn't help that we use the same words to describe both critical and commercial disappointments: flop, turkey, bomb, failure, etc. Even though the two don't always go together. We're also sometimes too quick to assume that if we didn't like a movie then it must have failed at the box office, too. "But I don't know anyone who likes it, so it surely lost money, right?"

For the record, WATERWORLD, DAREDEVIL, SPECIES, and the first STARGATE movie all made money (in some cases, a lot of money) even though I've met people who were convinced that they were enormous commercial failures.

A valid point. The concept of "failure" is often shaped by the subjective opinion of a perceived majority or by the voices of a prominent few. The same is true for the concept of "success." Some films that critics lavish praise and awards upon don't make any money whatsoever, and are truly terrible films but for whatever reason hit the "sweet spot" and get awards.

That man seems to have abnormally short legs.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Or an exceptionally long torso...

 

[JWPlatt]

Transporter accident.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

It doesn't help that we use the same words to describe both critical and commercial disappointments: flop, turkey, bomb, failure, etc. Even though the two don't always go together. We're also sometimes too quick to assume that if we didn't like a movie then it must have failed at the box office, too. "But I don't know anyone who likes it, so it surely lost money, right?"

For the record, WATERWORLD, DAREDEVIL, SPECIES, and the first STARGATE movie all made money (in some cases, a lot of money) even though I've met people who were convinced that they were enormous commercial failures.

A valid point. The concept of "failure" is often shaped by the subjective opinion of a perceived majority or by the voices of a prominent few. The same is true for the concept of "success." Some films that critics lavish praise and awards upon don't make any money whatsoever, and are truly terrible films but for whatever reason hit the "sweet spot" and get awards.

I like to think of these movies (the Transformers series is also included in this description) as 'popular failures'. That is, the movie made money at the box office, but everybody hated it or didn't like it.

 

[Sector 7]

It doesn't help that we use the same words to describe both critical and commercial disappointments: flop, turkey, bomb, failure, etc. Even though the two don't always go together. We're also sometimes too quick to assume that if we didn't like a movie then it must have failed at the box office, too. "But I don't know anyone who likes it, so it surely lost money, right?"

For the record, WATERWORLD, DAREDEVIL, SPECIES, and the first STARGATE movie all made money (in some cases, a lot of money) even though I've met people who were convinced that they were enormous commercial failures.

A valid point. The concept of "failure" is often shaped by the subjective opinion of a perceived majority or by the voices of a prominent few. The same is true for the concept of "success." Some films that critics lavish praise and awards upon don't make any money whatsoever, and are truly terrible films but for whatever reason hit the "sweet spot" and get awards.

I like to think of these movies (the Transformers series is also included in this description) as 'popular failures'. That is, the movie made money at the box office, but everybody hated it or didn't like it.

If it made money, then obviously, many liked it. They paid to see it, often more than once.

 

[Phily B]

the problem was it made less domestically, i think its the first star trek movie to make more in foreign markets than in the domestic market.

 

[martok2112]

Transporter accident.

Long term effects of transporter accident defined