Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)
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"Intersections in Real Time" from Babylon 5 leaps to mind.
In such an arc heavy show, this episode does absolutely nothing to advance the plot. You can actually cut it out and miss nothing in terms of plot because at the end of the previous episode, Sheridan was captured and being worked over by EarthGov and in the next episode, he's still captured and being worked over by EarthGov.
Any yet it features one of Bruce Boxleitner most affecting and nuanced performances of the whole show, gets into some really quite profound clash of philosophies.
It's actually quite similar to this most recent AoS episode as it's mostly just two people, isolated from the rest of the cast and removed from the larger events, in a room, talking to each other.
It's a character study of Simmons that's probably helped to define her more as a person than the rest of the show combined.
In such an arc heavy show, this episode does absolutely nothing to advance the plot. You can actually cut it out and miss nothing in terms of plot because at the end of the previous episode, Sheridan was captured and being worked over by EarthGov and in the next episode, he's still captured and being worked over by EarthGov.
Any yet it features one of Bruce Boxleitner most affecting and nuanced performances of the whole show, gets into some really quite profound clash of philosophies.
It's actually quite similar to this most recent AoS episode as it's mostly just two people, isolated from the rest of the cast and removed from the larger events, in a room, talking to each other.
It's a character study of Simmons that's probably helped to define her more as a person than the rest of the show combined.
I think that people are being too quick to assume that this is a standalone episode. They could be setting up future storylines. The entire show doesn't have to be dominated by SkyeDaisy and the Inhumies.
Well, of course it will tie into the arc, but that doesn't mean it doesn't count as a standalone. They aren't mutually exclusive. It's a standalone in the sense that it tells a single complete story from beginning to end, rather than dealing with multiple parallel subplots that are only partially advanced. Yes, it's a story that's part of an even bigger story, but it still has its own self-contained arc and its own unique character and approach, and it isn't interrupted by any of the other storylines of the season.
But this is an episode that took one of the show's ongoing plotlines, focused on it, and advanced it in a substantial way. People are talking about it as if it were some random POTW filler episode.
What people? I haven't noticed any such comments. The conversation has been about how standalone episodes can be special and superior. These days, often, it's the arc-advancing episodes that are run-of-the-mill, and an episode that takes a break from that and focuses on a single distinctive story for an hour can stand out from that serialized routine.
There's an ongoing discussion upthread where some are saying that the episode didn't move the arc, and others are asking what's wrong with that, which implicitly acknowledges that it didn't move the arc, and comparing it to episodes of other series that didn't contribute to arcs. Right now the board is acting too slow and buggy for me to go digging up a series of quotes for you.
The grand arc in that it is all connected is what moves the MCU as a whole forward. Any individual episode or movie is only as strong as it relates to the franchise as a whole. I don't believe it is designed to just watch Ironman 2 or random episodes of Agent Carter. By themselves that single movie or one episode in six loses its power. And I do believe that is was a filler saved for the opening of The World Series and am among the minority that thinks neither the specialness of breaking format, since I enjoy the format or the execution, which was rather bland compared to The Martian being the immediate analog, made the episode enjoyable to watch .
And worse than that the ongoing stories of the Inhumans and the Ward Hydra wing came to a crashing halt. But it was a new episode breaking from network tradition of throwing up a repeat against a big event. Baring some future event with Will compelling me to find some historical reference this is one I will skip when re-watching the series.
And worse than that the ongoing stories of the Inhumans and the Ward Hydra wing came to a crashing halt. But it was a new episode breaking from network tradition of throwing up a repeat against a big event. Baring some future event with Will compelling me to find some historical reference this is one I will skip when re-watching the series.
I hope Will either gets killed horribly or turn out to be an evil bastard. They need to stop de-railing FitzSimmons! Fitz is too good a guy to keep getting shat on constantly.
^^ That doesn't mean they have to mess with Daniels. They can just write Simmons as smart enough to know it was a fling under pressure.
As for the arc versus standalone stuff, I've already said it a million times: Ninety-nine percent of the stories in literature, theater, and television have been standalone. That's what a story is-- something with a beginning, middle, and end.
As for the arc versus standalone stuff, I've already said it a million times: Ninety-nine percent of the stories in literature, theater, and television have been standalone. That's what a story is-- something with a beginning, middle, and end.
Fitz and Simmons weren't exclusive, hadn't defined their relationship, and weren't in a relationship.
Will was fair game.
Stop slutshaming Jemma.
(Not directed at anyone specifically. It's been a long day trick or treating.)
Will was fair game.
Stop slutshaming Jemma.
(Not directed at anyone specifically. It's been a long day trick or treating.)
How is a fling "slutshaming?" Are you a Millennial or something? 
By saying that she was cheating on Fitz with Will, or that Fitz can't trust Simmons to keep her legs shut or that he can't pursue Simmons because she was an unfaithful monster with no respect for the dibs he tagged Jemma with, that needed to be honored even if she was offplanet and doomed.
(It's possible I imagined that anything like this had been said. It has been a long day. Let's take a look... )
I can see what you were trying to say but what was typed there can also suggest that either Jemma has to stay with Will forever because they kissed (or she is a bad person), or that if Fitz finds out that she strayed with an Astronaut that that affair might derail their (hypothetical & unconsummated) relationship, which unfortunately means that Leo has too much male pride to share his girlfriend with other men or ever become aware that she had any sexual history before they'd met each other.
That's the textbook definition of slutshaming, which actually means calling a woman bad words for completely normal (nondeviant male) behaviour. It's about calling a bully out for being a bully for pressing an antifeminist double standards.
And in turn, what happens if they write her as an idiot with the emotional quotient of a boring child who's waiting for Prince Charming?
Sorry.
I had to dig to see what I saw, but I'm sure it was there at "acceptable" levels, although Fitz running home to rescue Will, who is Lost in Space seems to show that he's fine with whatever version of Jemma's story that he heard compared to what we saw.
(It's possible I imagined that anything like this had been said. It has been a long day. Let's take a look... )
I can see what you were trying to say but what was typed there can also suggest that either Jemma has to stay with Will forever because they kissed (or she is a bad person), or that if Fitz finds out that she strayed with an Astronaut that that affair might derail their (hypothetical & unconsummated) relationship, which unfortunately means that Leo has too much male pride to share his girlfriend with other men or ever become aware that she had any sexual history before they'd met each other.
That's the textbook definition of slutshaming, which actually means calling a woman bad words for completely normal (nondeviant male) behaviour. It's about calling a bully out for being a bully for pressing an antifeminist double standards.
And in turn, what happens if they write her as an idiot with the emotional quotient of a boring child who's waiting for Prince Charming?
Sorry.
I had to dig to see what I saw, but I'm sure it was there at "acceptable" levels, although Fitz running home to rescue Will, who is Lost in Space seems to show that he's fine with whatever version of Jemma's story that he heard compared to what we saw.
I was watching the earlier episodes and made some observations.
1) After Jemma was rescued, Fitz brought Jemma out for dinner and when he offered her a wine toast, Jemma broke down and started crying. It reminded her of drinking with Will while waiting for the sun to rise back on the planet.
2) ATCU director Roslyn was mentioned to have worked at NASA previously. Just wondering if this has any connection with the monolith expedition.
1) After Jemma was rescued, Fitz brought Jemma out for dinner and when he offered her a wine toast, Jemma broke down and started crying. It reminded her of drinking with Will while waiting for the sun to rise back on the planet.
2) ATCU director Roslyn was mentioned to have worked at NASA previously. Just wondering if this has any connection with the monolith expedition.
He used protection. Standard NASA equipment.Noooooooooo!This being a Whedon show, after resucing him, Simmons discovers he's HYDRA! He escapes after stealing Fitz' cellphone battery tech, uses it to build a superweapon and delivers it to Ward.
And then Jemma tells Ftiz...
''I'm pregnant..''
Astronauts should need to be sterilized, or maybe castrated first before they're sent out into deep space.
Why?
They could potentially be the last humans at some point and may need to procreate.
1. (Hybrid/)Humans as slaves and cattle on thousands of worlds across the cosmos generationally for the next million years?
2. Astronaut comes back to Earth with superspaceSTDcancer and starts spreading it.
3. Harmless human stuff, that's sexually transmitted, wipes out a planet like War of the Worlds in reverse.
4. Sexy alien princess seduces stupid astronaut into betraying Earth because his penis feels good when she is happy.
5. Keeps the explorer on message, and indolent towards distraction.
2. Astronaut comes back to Earth with superspaceSTDcancer and starts spreading it.
3. Harmless human stuff, that's sexually transmitted, wipes out a planet like War of the Worlds in reverse.
4. Sexy alien princess seduces stupid astronaut into betraying Earth because his penis feels good when she is happy.
5. Keeps the explorer on message, and indolent towards distraction.
12 year old me did not understand how that movie was on regular TV.
Yeah, I don't remember anyone saying any of those.
