I do not like MCU films

[Anwar]

There have been consequences, though. It's just that we've only had one movie set on Earth since SHIELD-as-was collapsed (Age of Ultron). We already knew Fury was taking the remaining loyal SHIELD forces to try and rebuild in secret, and in the one year between WS and AOU, they were able to repair one Helicarrier and re-establish one base (Avengers compound).

 

[Ethros]

The only thing I dislike about the MCU is how it's starting to ruin other movies for me, in that it's impossible for me to not play "spot the comic book movie actors in this film" all the time.

I just saw Sicario earlier today, and was like- Thanos! (Josh Brolin) Agent Sitwell! (Maximiliano Hernandez) The Collector! (Benicio Del Toro) The Punisher! (Jon Bernthal)
And before that there was a trailer for the movie Burnt with Bradley Cooper and Daniel Bruhl on, and I was like hey its Rocket Racoon and Baron Zemo


It happens all the time!

 

[Alidar Jarok]

This is probably a terrible argument, but did the X-Men movies really need to develop its characters?

Yeah, that is a terrible argument. A story should have all the elements. It shouldn't say - go watch some completely out of continuity material to figure out what you're watching.

Particularly because I'd actually guess most people who watch the movies did not watch the 90s cartoon. The viewer numbers for movies are just so much higher. I bet that's even true if you factor in X-Men: Evolution (which many watched instead, although there's overlap). Plus, there are movie characters who just aren't in the 90s show - Kitty Pryde, Bobby Drake, Warren Worthington (the last doesn't really matter, but Shadowcat is pretty big in the movies all considered). I'd also argue character development is dramatically different from an origin story. Origin stories are something relatively unique to comic book stories, character development is essential to all good storytelling.

 

[Dales]

That's not true and this are characters all squeezed into one film.

Guardians of the Galaxy did a better job with developing its characters than X-men did with any X-Man that wasn't Wolverine or Xavier.

MCU have stand alone films and their films are still terrible and their characters made into jokes.

Care to justify that statement?

the religion thing is a big deal to night-crawler and it was displayed well in the films and in the comics to even the animated series when he had 2 guest appearance.

It's actually never been that big in his character. Neither the Fox series nor the movies bothered with his more adventurous romantic side.

MCU films are the films with the same plot and their tiring formula that even Speilberg thinks the comic book genre will implode because of MCU.

Spielberg really has little to justify his stance, and the MCU films have had more variety to their plots than the X-films have. They've just been telling the same one plot over and over again for 15 years.

guardians of the galaxy with all the lame jokes and silly dance off. there is no plot in the film to develop the characters for people who are are not children. guardians of the galaxy represents the worst of marvel films. put a lot of jokes and explosions and all is well.

 

[BillJ]

guardians of the galaxy with all the lame jokes and silly dance off. there is no plot in the film to develop the characters for people who are are not children. guardians of the galaxy represents the worst of marvel films. put a lot of jokes and explosions and all is well.

God damn, you almost make it sound like folks are going to movie theaters to be entertained. Can't have that.

 

[Anwar]

guardians of the galaxy with all the lame jokes and silly dance off.

A statement like that makes me think you didn't watch the movie, just some clips of it.

there is no plot in the film to develop the characters for people who are are not children.

There's at least as much as there was in the first X-Men film. in fact, they did more character development than X-Men did.

guardians of the galaxy represents the worst of marvel films. put a lot of jokes and explosions and all is well.

You must really hate Star Wars.

 

[JD]

That's not true and this are characters all squeezed into one film.

Guardians of the Galaxy did a better job with developing its characters than X-men did with any X-Man that wasn't Wolverine or Xavier.

Care to justify that statement?

It's actually never been that big in his character. Neither the Fox series nor the movies bothered with his more adventurous romantic side.

MCU films are the films with the same plot and their tiring formula that even Speilberg thinks the comic book genre will implode because of MCU.

Spielberg really has little to justify his stance, and the MCU films have had more variety to their plots than the X-films have. They've just been telling the same one plot over and over again for 15 years.

guardians of the galaxy with all the lame jokes and silly dance off. there is no plot in the film to develop the characters for people who are are not children. guardians of the galaxy represents the worst of marvel films. put a lot of jokes and explosions and all is well.

I'm pretty sure a movie has to be enjoyed by more than just children for it to make $774,176,600US worldwide.
I've never understood why some people seem to have such a problem with some movies just being light hearted fun.
What's so horrible about that? I'm asking this as a serious question, and I want a real answer. Is there a rule that says that every movie has to be some deep dark drama? Isn't there room for all different kinds of movies? Again, I want real serious answers here.

 

[The Old Mixer]

It's just that we've only had one movie set on Earth since SHIELD-as-was collapsed (Age of Ultron).

Two (Ant-Man).

Thanos! (Josh Brolin)

He'll always be Dubya to me.

 

[Anwar]

It's just that we've only had one movie set on Earth since SHIELD-as-was collapsed (Age of Ultron).

Two (Ant-Man).

Thanos! (Josh Brolin)

He'll always be Dubya to me.

Yes, there was Ant-Man as well...and that movie showed that since SHIELD wasn't as strong as it was anymore it meant HYDRA could just make normal business dealings openly without anyone to stop them legally.

 

[fireproof78]

Guardians of the Galaxy did a better job with developing its characters than X-men did with any X-Man that wasn't Wolverine or Xavier.

Care to justify that statement?

It's actually never been that big in his character. Neither the Fox series nor the movies bothered with his more adventurous romantic side.

Spielberg really has little to justify his stance, and the MCU films have had more variety to their plots than the X-films have. They've just been telling the same one plot over and over again for 15 years.

guardians of the galaxy with all the lame jokes and silly dance off. there is no plot in the film to develop the characters for people who are are not children. guardians of the galaxy represents the worst of marvel films. put a lot of jokes and explosions and all is well.

I'm pretty sure a movie has to be enjoyed by more than just children for it to make $774,176,600US worldwide.
I've never understood why some people seem to have such a problem with some movies just being light hearted fun.
What's so horrible about that? I'm asking this as a serious question, and I want a real answer. Is there a rule that says that every movie has to be some deep dark drama? Isn't there room for all different kinds of movies? Again, I want real serious answers here.

Seconded

I get that different films appeal to different people, and what I like is not for everyone (Chronicles of Riddick being my primary example) but that doesn't make the film bad.

Personally, I enjoyed GotG, especially Ronin and Starlord. Their characters were probably the most interesting to me.

But, the MCU is not for everyone.

 

[Mage]

Guardians of the Galaxy did a better job with developing its characters than X-men did with any X-Man that wasn't Wolverine or Xavier.

Care to justify that statement?

It's actually never been that big in his character. Neither the Fox series nor the movies bothered with his more adventurous romantic side.

Spielberg really has little to justify his stance, and the MCU films have had more variety to their plots than the X-films have. They've just been telling the same one plot over and over again for 15 years.

guardians of the galaxy with all the lame jokes and silly dance off. there is no plot in the film to develop the characters for people who are are not children. guardians of the galaxy represents the worst of marvel films. put a lot of jokes and explosions and all is well.

I'm pretty sure a movie has to be enjoyed by more than just children for it to make $774,176,600US worldwide.
I've never understood why some people seem to have such a problem with some movies just being light hearted fun.
What's so horrible about that? I'm asking this as a serious question, and I want a real answer. Is there a rule that says that every movie has to be some deep dark drama? Isn't there room for all different kinds of movies? Again, I want real serious answers here.

My real answer?

I know a few cinema buffs. And they really take it to serious. Like how some foodies will look down at anything the see as pre-made or junkfood. I'm a foodie, and I admit I kinda do that, but I had a supermarket pizza yesterday and go to a snackbar sometimes.

Cinemabuffs like that.... they NEED every movie to be deep. Strong developed characters. Mega deep mind blowing plots. Hella hardcore acting. Anything that doesn't do that, is beneath them.

So yeah, I love movies. I love almost all kind of movies. I loved watching Pride And Prejudice a few weeks ago with my girlfriend. But we can watch Iron Man right after that if we feel like it. Because sometimes it's about being touched deeply. Other times, you want a corny bad guy to be touched deeply. In the face. With a mystic hammer wielded by a blond god.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

It's a little too early in the shared universe to judge how much effect these things are having.

That's the thing, though. It's NOT that early. The first Iron Man movie came out over 7 years ago, and since then we've gotten...

2 more Iron Mans
2 Captain Americas
2 Thors
2 Avengers
Guardians of the Galaxy
Ant-Man

Am I forgetting anything? That's 11 movies! How many more am I supposed to watch before things actually start having consequences?

Individually, the movies are fine. But as a series, I find the whole thing lacking.

Nope. The x-men universe is linear. The MCU isn't. Yet. 12 movies total means nothing when the actual overarching connectivity didn't really start until the first Avengers movie and the only solo movie truly engaged in that so far was The Winter Soldier. And maybe Ant-Man. It's hard to judge how closely connected AM is to the rest of the mcu without knowing exactly where the mcu is going.

The rest were all stand alones with at most one or two references to the larger universe (like setting up an infinity stone) that were generally inconsequential at that time (though probably will not stay so). If MS follows through on their whole expanding universe concept, then this will slowly change as phase 3 moves forward. As I said, we'll see in the next few years.

 

[suarezguy]

guardians of the galaxy with all the lame jokes and silly dance off. there is no plot in the film to develop the characters for people who are are not children.

I didn't hate it but I thought the plot that was there was pretty annoyingly forced/unbelievable, for the characters initially trying to kidnap someone to then work together and by the end consider themselves loveable friends.

I've never understood why some people seem to have such a problem with some movies just being light hearted fun.
What's so horrible about that? I'm asking this as a serious question, and I want a real answer. Is there a rule that says that every movie has to be some deep dark drama? Isn't there room for all different kinds of movies? Again, I want real serious answers here.

There were some serious, even dark elements in the film (most notably the We didn't eat you comments) and taking even those elements too comically to me decreases the believability and point (although Drax's arc was OK mix of drama and comedy).

 

[M.A.C.O.]

I don't think dark is the appropriate term, when speaking of elements in MCU comic book movies. I believe serious is a better term, to describe what the MCU is lacking in some areas.

When I hear dark (in the context of comic books and comic book movies), what comes to mind are works such as:

Watchmen (comic and movie)
V for Vendetta (comic and movie)
Nolan's TDK + Burton's Batman Returns
Punisher movie with Tom Jane
Mirage TMNT + 1st TMNT movie
X-Men Days of Future Past (Primarily for the Apocalyptic future and Holacaust imagery and themes).
Marve's Daredevil series on Netflix


I think most people would agree, the aforementioned titles are dark and gritty due to their subject matter and imagery.

For the MCU (excluding DD on Netflix) the most serious properties would have to be Iron Man 1 and Captain America TWS. Mostly because of how they portrayed terrorism + it's effects, the mentality of the bad guys and the take no prisoners attitude of Tony and Steve in both films. Compare those two films to the nonstop quips and one liners in AoU or GOTG, and you can measure a the difference.

I'm not saying comedy in comic book movies is a bad thing, but there is a reason why Iron Man 1 and Captain America TWS standout among their peers. I think Marvel has too many character who crack jokes. Normally you're supposed to have one or two characters on a team, you use for comic relief. Watching AoU, the only Avengers who didn't crack wise were Scarlet Witch, Vision and Hulk, out of 10 Avengers who take part in the final battle. Even the villain was making one liners. I understand Marvel is aimed at making family films but there is a point where you can undermine your goal with too much of a good thing.

 

[Trekkin]

But the comics are kind of like that as well. Marvel and DC have pretty different 'tones', and Marvel generally has more of the 'wisecracking hero' type. I mean, even their attempts at a dark DC-style non-canonical alt-world miniseries (for eg. Earth X) still had Loki, Daredevil, Spider-girl etc cracking wise.

Not saying that DC (or even Vertigo, Image etc) are without humour, they just approach things in different ways.

It probably helps Marvel that most cinema goers compare their movies against the whole of the superhero genre, and not just Marvels own product. So instead of being [tongue in cheek super hero'-> 'another tongue in cheek superhero'-> 'alternate tongue in cheek superhero'], they see it more like ['Dark Knight Rises'-> 'Avengers' -> 'Man of Steel' -> Iron Man 3']

 

[fireproof78]

But the comics are kind of like that as well. Marvel and DC have pretty different 'tones', and Marvel generally has more of the 'wisecracking hero' type. I mean, even their attempts at a dark DC-style non-canonical alt-world miniseries (for eg. Earth X) still had Loki, Daredevil, Spider-girl etc cracking wise.

Not saying that DC (or even Vertigo, Image etc) are without humour, they just approach things in different ways.

It probably helps Marvel that most cinema goers compare their movies against the whole of the superhero genre, and not just Marvels own product. So instead of being [tongue in cheek super hero'-> 'another tongue in cheek superhero'-> 'alternate tongue in cheek superhero'], they see it more like ['Dark Knight Rises'-> 'Avengers' -> 'Man of Steel' -> Iron Man 3']

Which really is my whole thing. I don't take Marvel movies or DC movies and stack them up next to each other in terms of tone or story. If that were the case, then Blade had the whole "dark and gritty" thing nailed down for Marvel long before the MCU.

I try to take each movie in its own right and judge it on its merits. If it adds to the overall universe, great. But, I didn't watch Thor or Captain America: First Avenger, or Avengers because it was building towards something bigger. I like Captain America because it feels a little like a WW2 propaganda film taken and amped up. Each film has its own flavor and style that I can appreciate.

Some are successful and some are less successful. But, I can't take them all as a collective whole.

 

[Anwar]

What's kind of sad is that DC fans I talk to say stuff like how Captain America is just a propaganda piece character, when if they actually watched his movies they'd see the whole tone is pretty Anti-Nationalism and Anti-Propaganda.

Heck, I thought that First Avenger did a better job showing that not all Germans were Nazis in WWII than any X-Film has.

 

[fireproof78]

I agree to that point, but the overall style of the film fits the period very well.

It is one of the reasons I enjoy it so much is because of the WW2 sensibility.

 

[martok2112]

And I think the best movie, period, to show that not all Germans were Nazis...even in the military... was Das Boot. (Non-Marvel/DC, I know...but still... )

Back to topic...apologies if any derailment occurs...derailment not intended.

 

[JD]

guardians of the galaxy with all the lame jokes and silly dance off. there is no plot in the film to develop the characters for people who are are not children. guardians of the galaxy represents the worst of marvel films. put a lot of jokes and explosions and all is well.

I'm pretty sure a movie has to be enjoyed by more than just children for it to make $774,176,600US worldwide.
I've never understood why some people seem to have such a problem with some movies just being light hearted fun.
What's so horrible about that? I'm asking this as a serious question, and I want a real answer. Is there a rule that says that every movie has to be some deep dark drama? Isn't there room for all different kinds of movies? Again, I want real serious answers here.

My real answer?

I know a few cinema buffs. And they really take it to serious. Like how some foodies will look down at anything the see as pre-made or junkfood. I'm a foodie, and I admit I kinda do that, but I had a supermarket pizza yesterday and go to a snackbar sometimes.

Cinemabuffs like that.... they NEED every movie to be deep. Strong developed characters. Mega deep mind blowing plots. Hella hardcore acting. Anything that doesn't do that, is beneath them.

So yeah, I love movies. I love almost all kind of movies. I loved watching Pride And Prejudice a few weeks ago with my girlfriend. But we can watch Iron Man right after that if we feel like it. Because sometimes it's about being touched deeply. Other times, you want a corny bad guy to be touched deeply. In the face. With a mystic hammer wielded by a blond god.

I guess I can kind of see that, but I just don't take movies that seriously. I just go in looking to have a good time. Sometimes that good time comes because of a deep plot, or exceptional characterizations, other times it comes because the movie is fun.