Well, he's explained more than once his position that STO isn't an alternate timeline, just another continuity running alongside Treklit, so probably no untangling of knots with that.
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Well, he's explained more than once his position that STO isn't an alternate timeline, just another continuity running alongside Treklit, so probably no untangling of knots with that.
Well, the Abramsverse split off from the Prime universe. The novels, STO, and comics are just different hypothetical extrapolations upon the Prime universe and/or the Abramsverse. The novelverse is no "closer" to the source than STO; they're just independent conjectures, and which one you prefer, if either, is a matter of individual preference.
I feel completely the same way that the novels are the real continuation of Trek.
The online game does cherry pick details from the novels, while I'm not aware of anything in the novels originating in the game. Not that that is definitive proof of anything but I think it's an still an interesting observation.
I was disappointed when the Shatner novels definitively split with the main novel range as it's early years I thought it was all one continuity. I still enjoy both as their own thing though.
I never understood the need for a "real" version to be honest. I just want entertaining stories.
When the "Path to 2409" stuff started showing up online prior to the release of the game, I got the sense that whoever was assigned to create the backstory probably just drew on whatever pre-existing sources were available to fill in the stuff that didn't come specifically from the game. They had an assignment to concoct decades' worth of history for a promotional supplement to the game, so the simplest approach was to borrow what was already out there. Maybe it's similar with the book characters and ships that actually appear in the games -- they needed to build a large, open game universe, so they populated it with whatever was already available.
As for the books not borrowing anything from the games, maybe the games just don't have anything suitable. Their time frame is decades ahead of ours, their version of post-Nemesis history is completely different, and a lot of their original ideas pertain to species that the novels have already tackled in an incompatible way, like the Iconians and Species 8472. The novels have drawn on a few things from IDW comics, but generally things from stories that are more or less compatible with the novelverse, like Klingons: Blood Will Tell, as opposed to incompatible things like Byrne's Romulan saga or Braga's Hive.
Re: divergent speculations/extrapolations
The Kinshaya are either a nondescript member race of the Typhoon Pact...or they are berserkers, and the scourge of the Klingons.
Guess which version is more interesting.
I dunno, the novelverse version has a lot more nuance and intrigue than "berserkers", though I'm sure they're probably more developed than that one-word description in STO. But I loved the look at the Kinshaya culture in The Struggle Within and I'd love to see more of that.
I guess for me, who cares who a race is a scourge of, I just want to know the workings of their society and day-to-day life.
I guess for me, who cares who a race is a scourge of, I just want to know the workings of their society and day-to-day life.
Every race in STO is warlike, it seems, because the game developers chose to make it a combat-driven game. I don't see how it's interesting to have one more warlike race in a universe full of warmongering enemies. If you're specifically interested in playing war games, then having one more set of interchangeable mooks to shoot at might hold your attention; but if you're interested in plot and characterization and worldbuilding, then having just one warlike race after another would get old fast.
I believe the novels are the continuation from the canonically Prime universe
Although Hive did include things from the novels, even if it was on the part of the artists. EG, the Titan is of the same design as the novels and in one panel set on the Titan bridge, Tuvok can be seen as can Vale.
Pipe it down with that, Idran. You're completely ruining my website. 
That is kind of what I meant.
When I think of Trek I tend to think of the shows and the books, and then everything else. I'm not saying that the other stuff is bad or anything, it's just that IMO the books are probably the one other medium that to me feels the most like the shows.
Which stands to reason, since people who weren't fans of Trek lit probably wouldn't hang around a Trek Lit forum. So there's kind of a selection bias going on there.
You'd probably get a different perspective from the people who hang out in the Trek Gaming forum.
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