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I do not like MCU films

Anwar said:
Dales said:
M.A.C.O. said:
But Iron Man 2 also has things like Tony's disease, and him creating new element, that add nothing to the film.

Plus the plugs for the upcoming Avengers movie, the friction between Stark and Hammer, Tony and Pepper's issues, and Rhodey becoming War Machine. Iron Man 2 was stuffed with a lot of things that didn't really need to be included.

Mickey Rourke's performance being cut short, was just a casualty of the mandates Marvel was making.

I feel the same way about Age of Ultron too.
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Same for me as well, marvel may be making bad villains because they do not want to scare children which is what their films caters too to the most thanks to disney.
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No, they just want the story to be about the hero instead of the villain.

If X-Men was made by the MCU, they'd actually bother focusing on more than Wolverine and Xavier and have the plot be driven more by internal conflict between the X-Men. And they'd probably use someone else as the villain other than Magneto.
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Not really and I will take xavier , wolverine, magneto over any mcu childish films that barely has a plot and is generic to the core.

there is no difference between mcu films and transformers. its all about explosions and genric stuff.

xmen films any day any time over the silliness and toy commercial that are mcu films.
xmen films dont have solos like mcu films and even mcu is pretty bad with their solo films
 
We're also getting Gambit.

I've never really been that bothered by the way Marvel Studios treats their villains. They might not get a ton of depth, but I think they get enough material to get things were they need to be. The heroes and other characters are usually interesting enough and the overall movies have been good enough to make up for anything the villains might be lacking.
 
Dales said:
Not really and I will take xavier , wolverine, magneto over any mcu childish films that barely has a plot and is generic to the core.
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If all you want is Wolverine, Xavier and Magneto it just shows how the X-movies utterly failed to do anything with the other X-Men. Which MCU would not do.

The X-Men movies have really just been the same 1 plot over and over again. The MCU films actually bother trying something different with their plots.

Of course, MCU isn't "grounded" enough and people dislike it when Comic Book movies embrace they are in a wondrous world full of fantastic otherworldly stuff.

there is no difference between mcu films and transformers. its all about explosions and genric stuff.
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Care to justify that? What is "generic" about the MCU?

xmen films any day any time over the silliness and toy commercial that are mcu films.
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The X-Men films sell toys as well. And the MCU films don't need to bring up the Holocaust (one of the most exploitative things you can do in a film) for their messages.

xmen films dont have solos like mcu films and even mcu is pretty bad with their solo films
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No MCU film was as bad as Wolverine Origins.
 
Dales said:
...over any mcu childish films that barely has a plot and is generic to the core.
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I usually see posts like this from people who are desperate to sound smart. My wife works in telecommunications, is a college student, has a rather high IQ and loves both the Marvel and Transformers movies.
 
... And I'm still waiting for any argument or explanation as to why either movie Joker, Ducard, Bane, Talia, or Scarecrow are not "one-note" villains, and just what constitutes their alleged depth, because all I see in that line-up are straight-up psychos, with variety in presentation for sure (cue Heath Ledger licking his lips), but very little in substance.

Dales? Dales? Buel- I mean, Dales?
 
M.A.C.O. said:
Mickey Rourke's performance being cut short, was just a casualty of the mandates Marvel was making.
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That was a blessing. It's imho the worst MCU movie, in no small part due to his inclusion - he's damned near unwatchable.

He's not it's only problem, but I'd like it a lot more without him.
 
Anwar said:
If X-Men was made by the MCU, they'd actually bother focusing on more than Wolverine and Xavier and have the plot be driven more by internal conflict between the X-Men.
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Oh God, internal spats and "I must punch my friend!" are the worst thing about superhero teams.

Anwar said:
No MCU film was as bad as Wolverine Origins.
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Origins was a bit of a mess, but still less embarrassing to watch than The Wolverine.


Iron Man movies- I've watched all three, once each, and I'd say they were all on about the same level.
 
I think we can all agree there are facets to every current comic book movie franchise, that we don't like.

However, I think we should thank our lucky stars that TPTB that are overseeing them, have refined their craft and started taking the genre seriously. It's even better now that the general audience has embraced these characters on screen.

Just look at where we are now, and compare to where we were decades ago.

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Shudder


Clearly we are all in a better place now, than we were in the 90's. Except Fantastic Four. Their movies are still bad.

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M.A.C.O. said:
I think we can all agree there are facets to every current comic book movie franchise, that we don't like.

However, I think we should thank our lucky stars that TPTB that are overseeing them, have refined their craft and started taking the genre seriously. It's even better now that the general audience has embraced these characters on screen.

Just look at where we are now, and compare to where we were decades ago.
Shudder


Clearly we are all in a better place now, than we were in the 90's. Except Fantastic Four. Their movies are still bad.
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I have to agree with the point that there is so much variety within comic book movies that hating an entire subsection of films seems rather general. I certainly don't enjoy every MCU film, but there are a couple that I have found fun. The best example is the Avengers, which built upon previous works and gave more life to the universe.

Some are less successful, and that's fine. I don't find it necessary to weigh the entire body of a work based upon the success or failure of each film.

That said, I think comic book movies have come a long way and I think there is more room for growth. If there is room for Daredevil series and a Deadpool movie and Guardians of the Galaxy, I think the MCU has a lot of potential.
 
Dales said:

The MCU is the superhero approach most comic enthusiasts wanted.

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not for me .

burton, nolan, and others have much better comic films than marvel. my problem with marvel is they set out to make dumb films because that is what sells, I just need something better.
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I think Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk and Captain America 2 tried to have some substance but the other movies seem to revel in how two-dimensional Stark and Rogers are and to take the Hulk way too lightly.

While I'm not a big of the Avengers characters comics I do think the Red Skull has been underused.

Anwar said:
Dales said:
Not really and I will take xavier , wolverine, magneto over any mcu childish films that barely has a plot and is generic to the core.
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If all you want is Wolverine, Xavier and Magneto it just shows how the X-movies utterly failed to do anything with the other X-Men.
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Jean Grey and Nightcrawler got a fair amount of attention in the second film and Storm in the second and third (and Mystique in the prequels) but otherwise the other characters were indeed pretty neglected.
 
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Relayer1 said:
M.A.C.O. said:
Mickey Rourke's performance being cut short, was just a casualty of the mandates Marvel was making.
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That was a blessing. It's imho the worst MCU movie, in no small part due to his inclusion - he's damned near unwatchable.

He's not it's only problem, but I'd like it a lot more without him.
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Do you mean he didn't have you with "I want bird" ?


BillJ said:
Dales said:
...over any mcu childish films that barely has a plot and is generic to the core.
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I usually see posts like this from people who are desperate to sound smart. My wife works in telecommunications, is a college student, has a rather high IQ and loves both the Marvel and Transformers movies.
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Good point BillJ!
 
suarezguy said:
Jean Grey and Nightcrawler got a fair amount of attention in the second film and Storm in the second and third (and Mystique in the prequels) but otherwise the other characters were indeed pretty neglected.
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Jean wasn't much more than a love interest for Logan in X2 aside from her sacrifice (which wasn't even that well explained or well-done), and Nightcrawler only got one facet of his character on-screen: Really, the religion thing has never been that big a thing for him. Nearly everyone forgets his swashbuckler personality.
 
Anwar said:
suarezguy said:
Jean Grey and Nightcrawler got a fair amount of attention in the second film and Storm in the second and third (and Mystique in the prequels) but otherwise the other characters were indeed pretty neglected.
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Jean wasn't much more than a love interest for Logan in X2 aside from her sacrifice (which wasn't even that well explained or well-done), and Nightcrawler only got one facet of his character on-screen: Really, the religion thing has never been that big a thing for him. Nearly everyone forgets his swashbuckler personality.
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That's not true and this are characters all squeezed into one film. MCU have stand alone films and their films are still terrible and their characters made into jokes.

the religion thing is a big deal to night-crawler and it was displayed well in the films and in the comics to even the animated series when he had 2 guest appearance.


MCU films are the films with the same plot and their tiring formula that even Speilberg thinks the comic book genre will implode because of MCU.
 
You know what? Spielberg's right. The comic book genre will implode. But its not JUST because of the MCU. Its because there are tons of comic book movies out there. It's called oversaturation. Eventually, they will reach a point of diminishing returns. Then they will come back, but perhaps be a little more tempered. It has happened with nearly every film genre there has been. Look at the westerns. Hell, look at STAR TREK.
 
Campe98 said:
You know what? Spielberg's right. The comic book genre will implode. But its not JUST because of the MCU. Its because there are tons of comic book movies out there. It's called oversaturation. Eventually, they will reach a point of diminishing returns. Then they will come back, but perhaps be a little more tempered. It has happened with nearly every film genre there has been. Look at the westerns. Hell, look at STAR TREK.
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Yeah, the DCU could be dangerous. Not because it won't be any good (although I have real doubts) but just because it will be more superhero films.

Then again, westerns were around for a very long time and most of them weren't particularly good...
 
As I said... "Eventually."

It just will depend on when the audience gets sick of them.
 
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