Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)

[Guy Gardener]

I tend to think that the Deviants come off as Evil because the Eternals are smug assholes, but just because there has never been a story about goody Deviants, it doesn't mean that there can't be. If there are millions (or billions?) of Deviants on Earth, they can't all be "evil" and lets not forget that there's cross pollination to consider like Maelstrom who was a Big Bad with both Inhuman and Deviant lineage.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I tend to think that the Deviants come off as Evil because the Eternals are smug assholes, but just because there has never been a story about goody Deviants, it doesn't mean that there can't be. If there are millions (or billions?) of Deviants on Earth, they can't all be "evil" and lets not forget that there's cross pollination to consider like Maelstrom who was a Big Bad with both Inhuman and Deviant lineage.

I suppose so. Reject and Karkas were "good" Deviants. Kro also had a certain ambiguity about him.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Namor is a mutant like a human, and a human like a human and an Atlantean like an Atlantean.

The short lived Avengers AI explored the notion of man and Machine intelligences coexisting, and nation building at that, which is something to consider, what does the overpopulation of AI look like on a planetary scale?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Xnay on the utantmay when talking about Namor.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm quite sure that the whole "I'm an X-Man" shtick that the Submariner undertook, was just an involved ruse to bag Emma Frost again, which spun out of control and lasted way too long.

If she was real, most stout pickup artists would be willing to waste at least a month trying to trick Emma into thinking that they're not conniving penis Gepettos, a month minimum.

 

[Christopher]

I agree. If everyone had to have a unique origin story, they would have spend so much time explaining who the new characters were, and how they got their powers that they'd barely have time for anything else in the episodes.

Characters don't need to have their origin stories explained as soon as they show up; that's just a habit Hollywood has yet to break itself of. It's a relic of the time when most superhero movies and shows were set in worlds where the featured heroes and/or villains were the only superpowered beings around, and thus were anomalous enough to need explanation. But the MCU is a universe where it's already an accepted fact that a lot of people have superpowers for a lot of different reasons, so there's no need for more than a throwaway explanation, if that. I mean, they never really explained how the firestarter guy in the first season got his powers. And I don't recall if they ever explained Crusher Creel's powers; if so, they got it over with in a couple of lines.

The Lincoln stuff was OK, but it would have been nice if they gave us more of an explanation for who exactly Lincoln's friend was.

From their dialogue, it seemed to me that he was Lincoln's sponsor in AA or some other addiction-recovery program.

 

[Sci]

The Lincoln stuff was OK, but it would have been nice if they gave us more of an explanation for who exactly Lincoln's friend was.

From their dialogue, it seemed to me that he was Lincoln's sponsor in AA or some other addiction-recovery program.

I took that to be the implication, yeah. Which adds a nice, unexpected bit of depth to Lincoln's character -- this is apparently somebody who has struggled with alcoholism/addiction in the past.

 

[DWF]

Just for the record in the comic books Crusher Creel got his powers from Loki, very much like The Wrecker did. But really many Marvel characters did have their origins explained from the start.

 

[Guy Gardener]

How long did it take them to reveal (retroactively?) that the classic Ant-Man villain Whirl Wind had been a "dirty stinking" mutant all along?

Professor X told Namor he was a Mutant in 1962, but John Byrne was the next person to ever mention that again in 1990.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Never knew Whirlwind was a mutant.

 

[Guy Gardener]

He was even one of the 198 to survive the Decimation.

The Decimation was supposed to have affected each DNA's mutant, even separated from his source: Mutant Growth Hormone (MGH) provided by lot of mutants was revealed to be inert, as their origin mutants were depowered. On the other side, Whirlwind's MGH was still active while himself kept his powers.[17]

 

[RJDiogenes]

I always thought Namor got his powers from being a hybrid.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yup. He's at least 4 times stronger than a regular Atlantean because he's a hybrid, but those dinky little ankle wings are completely his mutant affectations.

Namora his pink hybrid cousin didn't have Ankle wings.

Namorita (Supposedly believed for some time to be Namora's pink daughter.) did have ankle wings, but she was a clone of Namora, so her wings were probably just "added" during her design stage.

I'm pretty sure Byrne finalized this momentarily before other's started talking about a definitive Mutant Gene being responsible for Mutants, rather than that mutant Identity was not just random accelerated genetic development across the entire human genome.

But just to remind you all, X-Men #6 in 1963, said that Namor was a mutant first, before anyone else picked up this lose ball and ran with it.

(After looking through the issue Stan Lee wrote, Chuck seemed to have just worked out Namor was a mutant through logic after reading a newspaper article on the Submariner, rather than a blood test or a brainwave test with Cerebro, which probably hadn't been invented yet, although it will be added to this period retroactively later. Very Sketchy.)

 

[Christopher]

Never knew Whirlwind was a mutant.

I only knew that from the cartoon The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. When Whirlwind was captured, Nick Fury recommended turning him over to the MRD, the mutant-hunting organization from the previous show set in the same universe, Wolverine and the X-Men.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Professor X told Namor he was a Mutant in 1962

But just to remind you all, X-Men #6 in 1963, said that Namor was a mutant first, before anyone else picked up this lose ball and ran with it.

You're getting warmer....

 

[Guy Gardener]

Oh, that's hardly helpful.

Magneto used one of Namor's toadies as a go between who explained that Magneto was more turstworthy than other surface dwellers, because he was a Mutant, just like Namor?

...

Y'know most of Magneto's behaviour, and speech patterns in the 1960s could probably be explained away by a methamphetamine addiction... Which is weird because even though that stuff at the time was legal, they were mostly sold as diet pills to house wives afraid of having big asses.

So did magneto realise that Diet Pills were not just Diet Pills, or did the Master of Magnetism have some body dysmorphic issues on top of his survivors complex?

 

[Turtletrekker]

I always thought Namor got his powers from being a hybrid.

His tiny little ankle wings that allow him to fly are his mutant ability.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Oh, that's hardly helpful.

I was referring to the years being cited.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Awwwww, shit

 

[Christopher]

I'm not convinced that what we saw at the end there was what we were supposed to think. We didn't actually see the face of the person lying on the floor, and the ensuing explosion might serve to conceal the identity of the victim.

I'm a little disappointed that Mack and Daisy didn't liken Lash's transforming ability to the Hulk. You'd think that would be a SHIELD agent's primary reference point for the idea of a normal person transforming into a big superpowered creature.

Odd that the computer guy was named Dwight Frye. Apparently that's the name of a minor character from Marvel's short-lived New Universe continuity back in the '80s, who went by the name Bazooka and was a superpowered member of a black militant group. Very different from the character seen here.