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"The Girl Who Died" Grading and Discussion Thread

How do you rate "The Girl Who Died"?

  • Excellent

    Votes: 16 21.3%
  • Very Good

    Votes: 23 30.7%
  • Good

    Votes: 24 32.0%
  • Decent

    Votes: 8 10.7%
  • Rubbish

    Votes: 4 5.3%

  • Total voters
    75
Most importantly, have we seen the end of the sonic sunglasses?

No, the season trailer shows the Doctor wearing the glasses in a scene from the upcoming Zygon story and filming photos show the glasses being worn in the finale. Obviously, there are replacement glasses in the TARDIS, just like there was a replacement screwdriver in Smith and Jones.

It would have made more sense if the Doctor subconsciously took the form of someone on Trenzalore. After all, he'd seen everyone there, for nine hundred years, be born, grow old, and die. He lived with them daily in a way that he never lived with Clara.

Or, at the very least, if Caecilius was so memorable that a regeneration patterned itself to resemble him, than it should have been for the Eleventh Doctor. That regeneration was only a few years after Pompeii, and having spent time with Donna's family the Doctor would likely have been thinking about his adventures with her, making it a bit more plausible that someone he met while travelling with her could influence the regeneration.

Also, I'd like to know in-universe why the second Doctor looks like that unnamed Robin Hood actor featured in Robot of Sherwood. Unless that's actually the Doctor from the "Exiled to Earth, but not Forcibly Regenerated" period after The War Games.

Maybe Salamander had an acting career before he tried the whole dictator thing?

'Barring accidents,' yeah. But it'd take one hell of an accident, something that would have to pretty much vaporize her instantly.

Or at the very least something which damages the chip. It's programmed to fix its host, not itself.
 
I've never understood why it needs to be explained why 12 looks like some Roman dude, any more than it needed explain why Gwen looked like Gwyneth or Martha looked like her even less memorable cousin! But if it had to be mentioned I'm glad it was in a throwaway moment like this rather than an entire episode being devoted to it.
Well, the argument can be made that, this is a show that goes to great lengths to explain the change of appearence of the main character into another face/body, so the explanation when two characters basically look the same, stems from the show's innate stance on regeneration. And I don't mind it per se, just not when its done for no reason or to force an action that otherwise couldn't have.

Like in yesterday's episode. :D
 
I thought the Mire armour looked like steampunk Judoon armour.


Ha!!!! I am glad I am not the only one that thought this. I half expected them to be under that when the helmet came off..

Now if I were the Doctor I would have been a total dick and uploaded that video to space youtube.... Just for shits and giggles..
 
As for the Mire technology being able to make humans immortal, I thought the Doctor took something from their medical kit and sonic'd it, I doubt the chip was meant to work that way. Also, and I may have misinterpreted this, but the chip won't make her immortal in the same way Jack's immortal. He can't die, and as Children of Men proved, blow him into tiny bits and he still comes back. I got the impression that if Maisie suffers enough damage, the chip won't be able to repair her?

'Barring accidents,' yeah. But it'd take one hell of an accident, something that would have to pretty much vaporize her instantly.


Well if she gets her head lopped off that can't be fixed for one.
 
Absolutely loved it. Funny, touching and jam packed full of great moments. Five eps in and not a duff one, I am loving this year!
*high five*

I won't leave you hanging.


They are really pushing the Clara's going to die theme, which does make me wonder...especially now there's a second immortality device? :cool: that might come in handy later...


I thought the Doctor had thrown the 2nd chip to the guy that was leaning over Ashildr when she was resting.. In fact didn't he say the 2nd chip would undo the immortality if placed inside her too?
 
Immortality is scary. What if someone Bootstrap Bills you?

(Bootstrap Bill was an immortal man who was chained to a cannonball and dropped in the ocean to experience the sensation of drowning forever.)
 
*high five*

I won't leave you hanging.


They are really pushing the Clara's going to die theme, which does make me wonder...especially now there's a second immortality device? :cool: that might come in handy later...


I thought the Doctor had thrown the 2nd chip to the guy that was leaning over Ashildr when she was resting.. In fact didn't he say the 2nd chip would undo the immortality if placed inside her too?

No, he said it was a second dose. Then when the father asked something, he said "not for her". The Doctor knew that the girl would understand what it was for.
 
He was offering her the chance to give immortality to her Mr. Right (if she ever found one). Either she didn't understand that after all, she lost the chip, or she never found the right guy.
 
He was offering her the chance to give immortality to her Mr. Right (if she ever found one). Either she didn't understand that after all, she lost the chip, or she never found the right guy.

Unless, like Jack, she's aging slowly, the chip seems to have locked her at her current age... I know Maisie is old enough (in the UK) but Ashildr is implied to still be early teens... Sure, she might have boyfriends/girlfriends but unless there's a Lolita thing going on they are likely to be around her physical "age", and other teens aren't likely to be the sort she might want to be around for eternity.
 
AI of 82; lowest of the current series and in the lower end of the scale for the series in general.
 
AI of 82; lowest of the current series and in the lower end of the scale for the series in general.

RTD still holds the record for the lowest AI score though, with Love and Monsters I believe but even that was, all in all a good score in the AI scale.

I see you're ignoring the viewing figures this week because they're up and focusing on the AI 'cos it's down. Good old confirmation bias eh? Ah well we're all guilty of that.
 
AI of 82; lowest of the current series and in the lower end of the scale for the series in general.

RTD still holds the record for the lowest AI score though, with Love and Monsters I believe but even that was, all in all a good score in the AI scale.

I see you're ignoring the viewing figures this week because they're up and focusing on the AI 'cos it's down. Good old confirmation bias eh? Ah well we're all guilty of that.

And, IIRC, AI figures for Series 8 were also averaging 83-84. So whilst this ep is on the low end for NuWho as a whole, it's about par for the course for Capaldi's run, and yet people are still watching.

I think the AI reviewers are just getting a bit more jaded. God knows Who fans are. It's like a Laurence Miles lookalike competition these days.

What were the overnights this week, BTW?
 
AI of 82; lowest of the current series and in the lower end of the scale for the series in general.

RTD still holds the record for the lowest AI score though, with Love and Monsters I believe but even that was, all in all a good score in the AI scale.

I see you're ignoring the viewing figures this week because they're up and focusing on the AI 'cos it's down. Good old confirmation bias eh? Ah well we're all guilty of that.

And, IIRC, AI figures for Series 8 were also averaging 83-84. So whilst this ep is on the low end for NuWho as a whole, it's about par for the course for Capaldi's run, and yet people are still watching.

I think the AI reviewers are just getting a bit more jaded. God knows Who fans are. It's like a Laurence Miles lookalike competition these days.

What were the overnights this week, BTW?

4.85M, highest so far this series. It has been pointed out that Who got a bit of a boost by Strictly overrunning, but apparently even factoring this in the numbers only drop to about 4.61 so it's still the best this year.

I think everyone's getting more jaded with Who, this is what happens when a show runs for so long (I seem to recall one season of Spooks that had dire viewing figures, yet it still ran for another three or four years.) The truth of the matter seems to be this: fewer people are watching Who and they're enjoying it slightly less, but the flipside is that large numbers of people are still watching Who and they're generally really enjoying it (82 is still very good, hell my understanding is that 76 for Love and Monsters is an AI a lot of shows would kill for) :shrug:
 
Couldn't the Doctor have modified the chip so it turns off after a certain amount of time since he was able to modify it so much that it works on humans? I kinda feel like the Doctor should have known better than to give Ashildr, a mere human from the era of Vikings, functional immortality without putting a time limit or something on it. Surely, a Time Lord of his experience would understand the repercussions of making a human immortal. Just seemed like a rather careless mistake for the Doctor to make.
 
Couldn't the Doctor have modified the chip so it turns off after a certain amount of time since he was able to modify it so much that it works on humans? I kinda feel like the Doctor should have known better than to give Ashildr, a mere human from the era of Vikings, functional immortality without putting a time limit or something on it. Surely, a Time Lord of his experience would understand the repercussions of making a human immortal. Just seemed like a rather careless mistake for the Doctor to make.
Seems to me he'd not make her immortality cause, "Immortality is a curse". Remember in the 5 Doctors, the 1st Doctor figured that out.
 
Couldn't the Doctor have modified the chip so it turns off after a certain amount of time since he was able to modify it so much that it works on humans? I kinda feel like the Doctor should have known better than to give Ashildr, a mere human from the era of Vikings, functional immortality without putting a time limit or something on it. Surely, a Time Lord of his experience would understand the repercussions of making a human immortal. Just seemed like a rather careless mistake for the Doctor to make.

WAS it a mistake? He seems to regret it, but he may already have suspected how things would turn out due to the weird vibe she gave him at the start of the ep... perhaps subconsciously his Time Lord senses knew she would live several hundred years so she can meet him again in his future? And then prodded him to arrange things in that manner?
 
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