Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)

[Thestral]

Piffle. Spike was redeemed (twice-ish), and Ward hasn't even tried to rape Daisy yet.

I guess that's another reason not to bother with Buffy and Angel.

Well, I was being super-quippy obviously, as the situations aren't really that comparable. Aside from Guy's excellent summation, there's not been nearly the development of Ward that would need.

Honestly, I think Fitz kissing Simmons after what she's been through would be in poor taste. It'd be ok if she kissed him though.

Agreed on both, and I half-expected that when they emerged from the pile of monolith-rubble-sand.

 

[QCzar]

It wasn't 60 seconds later. I'd guess it was probably a couple of hours. The flare was during the first time before the machine shook apart and they had to spend some time rebuilding it (before Quake figured she could recreate it).

So much for my short-term recollection.

Still, even a few hours in that weather means she couldn't have been far. Even if the portal is what caused the storm on that side and it only got difficult to walk in the last minute or so, Simmons would still have to have been within a few miles at most, which means she either stayed in the area this whole time or was already on her way back from wherever she might have been.

That's somewhat presumptive, considering how little we know about the magical alien space-portal monolith thing. It wasn't exactly a stargate. Did you consider the possibility that the portal may simply have opened close to wherever she was? It did seem to respond to the presence of people in some way (eg: dragging just Simmons and not everything in the room/building in).

I wonder which of the characters is going to "bored now" Ward. May seems a fair bet, but we can't count out the other women characters, especially Bobbi or Jemma. I don't know why, but I just feel like he's going to be done in by one of them instead of Hunter (or any other male characters).

Of course Strucker Jr seems just as likely a candidate, though if he turns out anything like the print version it won't be much of an improvement.

 

[Christopher]

It was a nice touch when after she awoke she went back to sleep resting her head on his leg.

Would a Skrull impostor do that? Nobody was watching. Fitz wasn't awake. Unless the impostor is a total method actor, she/it would've had no reason to fake that act of affection. So I believe it probably is really Jemma. A storyline where the sweetest, nicest member of the team is hardened and haunted by her ordeal would be more interesting than just another hackneyed impostor storyline -- and far more in keeping with Whedon's style. (Although we did pretty much go through something similar with Fitz last season.)

I am really liking this new season- I have to wait a day for Hulu streaming so it is hard avoiding spoilers

Fortunately, I don't have to anymore, because the audio problems my ABC affiliate was having last season seem to have cleared up.

That's somewhat presumptive, considering how little we know about the magical alien space-portal monolith thing. It wasn't exactly a stargate. Did you consider the possibility that the portal may simply have opened close to wherever she was? It did seem to respond to the presence of people in some way (eg: dragging just Simmons and not everything in the room/building in).

Or maybe that entire alien environment was "inside" the monolith in some way, a pocket dimension. Although that would mean Fitz and Simmons would've been the only ones in there, and that doesn't seem to be the case, given that Simmons has clearly been running from and fighting against something in her time there.

 

[Thestral]

Or... she thinks she has.

 

[Marsden]

Would a Skrull impostor do that? Nobody was watching. Fitz wasn't awake. Unless the impostor is a total method actor, she/it would've had no reason to fake that act of affection.

They do that to absorb the memories of how the other person thinks they are supposed to act. It's EEEEEEVil......

 

[Hartzilla2007]

It was a nice touch when after she awoke she went back to sleep resting her head on his leg.

Would a Skrull impostor do that?

Plus if Simmons was a Skrull Fox would suit the shit out of them since Fox probably has the copyright.

 

[Marsden]

Does Fox own the Dire Wraiths? Because they shape shift and that place did resemble Wraithworld.

And Arizona, and the place where Capt. Kirk confronted that god thing in TFF and a whole lot of other lousy places.

 

[kitik]

Please let Jemma be a Skrull.
Please let Jemma be a Skrull.
Please let Jemma be a Skrull.

Skrulls first appeared in Fantastic Four.

Therefore the Skulls are owned by Fox.

I thought there was an interview with someone a few years ago (maybe Feige/Quesada/Millar/Kinberg/???) that said the Skrulls were one of those "gray area" characters, similar to Wanda and Pietro.

 

[JD]

I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out something came through the monolith with Fitz and Simmons. I have to admit, I kept expecting them to show something else come out of dust with them, and was kind of shocked when they didn't.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Speaking of Ward, I guess the majority want him dead and gone (I agree), but we gotta ask if the main actors from the first season had multiyear contracts. It could just be that they can't kill off Ward because they don't want to pay the actor a kill fee or something...

Or they just like the guy and don't want him to be out of work if they can think of things for him to do.

Would a Skrull impostor do that? Nobody was watching. Fitz wasn't awake. Unless the impostor is a total method actor, she/it would've had no reason to fake that act of affection.

I don't think she's a Skrull either, but there have been Skrull sleeper agents who thought they were who they were pretending to be.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Among (many) others, you're talking about Mocking Bird.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Or they just like the guy and don't want him to be out of work if they can think of things for him to do.

In which case, it's too bad that they can't think of things for him to do.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

He's reforming Hydra who will likely always be the main antagonist for SHIELD.

 

[Reverend]

Put me down as preferring Simmons isn't a Skrull. Not because I don't want them to do Skrulls (I actually think they're the perfect aliens for a TV budget) but because it'd be lame. Not only would it invalidate what looks to be some very interesting character development, it would also mean the real Simmons is either dead or still out there. Not opposed to something else hitching a ride with them though.

I guess we're assuming at this point that that place was some kind of Kree prison, or proving ground for their bio-weaons? Could the things chasing Simmons be descendants of ancient inhumans?

 

[Marsden]

I wonder if that debris is going to eventually reform into the monolith again?


I'm not sure why Jaiying was so worried about them having it, they haven't said so, yet.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The portal takes it's traveller to Kreespace for collection, enlistment and processing through a Kree Super-Navy boot camp?

Which means that those buggers from the flash back were 18th century Inhumans?

Oh god, the Monolith is a Kree Sentry.

(Kree Sentries usually look like fat robots.)

Oh.

Some sneaky bugger from the Heroes writers Room today used the word "Inhuman" to describe their own posthumans.

Maybe it's a coincidence, or maybe it's gentle chiding?

 

[Christopher]

I'm not sure why Jaiying was so worried about them having it, they haven't said so, yet.

They did say they believed the monolith to be of Kree origin. The Inhumans have good reason to fear anything Kree-related, since the Kree see them as failed experiments that need to be eradicated.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Earthican Inuhumans wouldn't know that.

If the Kree wanted them dead, wiping out all life on planet Earth would be effortless to them, just do some math, push the right rock towards us, then wait 400 years for it to strike, or tailoring an Inhuman specific virus wouldn't be that hard either, since it's just the reverse of a diviner. The only way that the Inhumans would know that they were a target of the Kree, is if the Kree tried and failed to kill the Inhumans of Earth, and then gave up trying to kill them, or misunderstood a loss as a victory, and moved on top the next abominable mine of (not)mutant scum.

Hickman in Fantastic Four comics said that a filing error by some drunk dip shit clerk lost Earth (okay, I'm exaggerating. %2 of the worlds where terragenesis experiments were undertaken, their locations and existences were "misplaced" before the purge. The Kree had assumed for thousands of years that this problem had been sorted, which is similar to what Pete said when he was explaining the field of play.)

Of course if the misfiling of Earths status as Inhuman free was not an accident, then there would have been a Kree on hand to tell the Inhumans to lay low and shut the #### up, or s/he would get into trouble too for lying about the Earthlings not being genepositive hybrids, but again, that was 30 thousand years ago, but maybe there was a tiny case of Chinese whispers in the inbetween?

 

[Jedi_Master]

Another good, not great just good, episode.

Solid performances, in particular by Fitz and May.

The Asgardian ex-pat needs more screen time.

 

[Admiral2]

Next stupid question:

A couple of times people have mentioned in this thread that AoS can't use Skrulls because Skrulls are Fantastic Four villains and Fox owns the FF on film, but how does that logic work? Both the Kree and the Inhumans originated in the same comic series the Skrulls came from. If you can't use FF villains or secondary characters, then AoS shouldn't be lousy with Kree/Inhuman stuff, but, well, look at last and this season. What am I missing?