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The Martian - Grading & Discussion

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It looks closer to what I want to see in a Mars mission movie. The two that came out a few years ago (99, 2000? Mission to Mars and Red Planet) drug themselves down by bringing in unnecessary "soft sci-fi" elements (the Face on Mars" being an alien base/ship in RP creatures on the planet creating a breathable atmosphere) a trip to Mars alone would be an ultimate and dangerous task for a group to take. This movie looks much more grounded in reality and showing what it comes down to for a mission to Mars.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to this. I'm glad that there's been an upsurge in hard-SF movies in the past few years -- Gravity, Europa Report, Interstellar, and now this. Although they've all had their shortfalls in plausibility. Gravity exaggerated the hazard of space debris to a downright comical degree and made orbital space seem far tinier and more tightly packed than it should be. Europa Report had full Earth gravity in the scenes on Europa's surface. And Interstellar went pretty woogy with the power-of-love pseudoscience in the final act. Still, it's nice to have a surge of movies that at least make an effort to be plausible. Before the past 2-3 years, movies that portrayed space authentically rather than as a fantasy landscape were quite scarce. 2010, Contact, Apollo 13... that's about all I can think of in the past 35 years.




Besides, the movie is based on a bestselling book, so there's not much of a point in secrecy. Millions of people already know the story, so there's no point hiding things.

Of course. It's not as if being surprised at what comes next is the only possible reason to experience a story. Lots of movies are based on books or plays or true stories or things that most people are familiar with. Lots of people rewatch movies and shows they've already seen. The surprise of not knowing what's next is one tool in the storyteller's kit, of course, and it can have value, but it's not the exclusive purpose of fiction.

I doubt very much that when Zeffirelli made Romeo and Juliet or Olivier made Hamlet, there were mass protests from audiences complaining that they already knew how the stories turned out.


So, Matt Damon and Jessica Chastain went right into another space movie after Interstellar? Guess they really wanted in on this project.

I saw a meme yesterday to the effect that, between Saving Private Ryan, Interstellar, and The Martian, America has spent a great deal of money on retrieving Matt Damon.


What was with all the rashes on Watney's body towards the end?

From spending months in a spacesuit? Or maybe a result of dehydration?



I've got to agree with everyone else and say this was a great movie. Not only was it a great hard sci-fi but it was also a great movie on it's own. The plot's engaging the pacing is great, It's funny at the right moments and emotional when it should be. One of the best movies I've seen in a while.

I'm relieved to hear that. Ridley Scott's output in recent years has not given me a lot of faith that he still had it.


[*]Mars has 0.38 Earth gravity. Was it portrayed accurately in the movie? Just a thought. Had to ask.

It was not. Ridley Scott basically said he couldn't get enough bang for his buck portraying the gravity perfectly. Frankly I agree. Zero gravity shots are usually really cool and draw the audience in but showing less gravity doesn't quite have the same appeal. A good 70-80% of the movie takes place on Mars and accurately portraying the gravity would not only be a pain in the ass but it would also be super expensive. He kind of rationalized it by saying that the space suit is heavy enough to weigh him down.

I don't know if it would've been that hard. There are wire rigs NASA uses in training that create enough upward pull on a person to cancel out part of the Earth's pull and simulate moving in low gravity, and Hollywood has decades of experience with digital wire removal.

Anyway, the speed at which things fall goes as the square root of the gravity, so things would fall about 61.5% as fast -- something that took a second to fall to the ground on Earth would take 1.6 seconds on Mars. It would be a noticeable difference. And the weight of the spacesuit wouldn't affect it, because everything in a given gravity field falls at the same speed regardless of its weight. It might keep Watney from jumping as high, but he'd still come back down at a slower speed than he would on Earth. As far as walking, it might look fairly similar, but there'd still be an effect on his gait.

It used to be believed that the astronauts on the Moon adopted a hopping motion because it was more efficient than walking in Lunar gravity. But I recently read that it was more to do with the stiffness of their spacesuits. It's hard to say what the best form of locomotion on Mars would be, since we're taking our sweet damn time going there to find out.
 
Ridley Scott's output in recent years has not given me a lot of faith that he still had it.

Says you; I though that Prometheus was excellent, and I can back that up with this analysis of the movie.

I would love to see some merchandise from this movie (action figure(s) of Mark Watney, model kits of the ships and vehicles, a making of/art book, a comic book adaptation, coloring books for kids, children's storybooks)-there should be a lot of things.
 
I thought that Prometheus was excellent, and I can back that up with this analysis of the movie.

I would love to see some merchandise from this movie (action figure(s) of Mark Watney, model kits of the ships and vehicles, a making of/art book, a comic book adaptation, coloring books for kids, children's storybooks)-there should be a lot of things.

That's something you don't see a lot of anymore. Even Armageddon had some tie-in toys.

I blame business executives.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to this. I'm glad that there's been an upsurge in hard-SF movies in the past few years -- Gravity, Europa Report, Interstellar, and now this.


That's for the best.

This was an up-lifting film--and perfectly timed to the Brine-finds.

Best of all--they didn't try to make everything blood red.
I seem to think Martian Chronicles was filmed with some red gels for NBC--but that might be NBC's noted sepia tones back before the digital age. I used to tell exactly what network I was watching via the hue.

This was a true space film in every way. Not as cold as 2001--approachable. Mainstream--with a College Football appeal beyond the rah-rah of movies like ID4.

It's catching.

I'm a funny person--I can get as excited listening to C-SPAN as kids watching wrestling--so imagine my joy at last Tuesday's House hearing on space:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?328414-1/hearing-astrobiology

I didn't hear one congress-critter talk about wasted tax-dollars. I didn't hear that in today's Washington Journal, where John Logsdon was talking about Mars.

There was this yahoo caller who piped in at about the 00:17:43 mark:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?328370-5/washington-journal-john-logsdon-water-mars

Gee, I wonder who that was...
 
Haven't been so stressed by a movie in a long while. Beautiful film, and definitely makes me want to seek out the book.
 
I'm just gonna say it: It was f------ cool. A

Loved the story, all the acting was spot on (except typical genius kid saves the day), the effects were brilliant and it was funny. Just flat out cool.

I'm glad somebody proved you could make money off sci-fi movies like this to the studios. Hopefully they'll keep making more of them.
 
Thoroughly enjoyed it. I don't know if the science is accurate but it wasn't blatantly inaccurate to a layman like me and too many recent sci fi movies have been really sloppy on this score. It carried me along and probably taught me a thing or two about Mars and what we'll need to do to survive there. A from me too.
 
Saw it last night and really enjoyed it, although perhaps not as much as others here did. While I thought the book got a bit overly-technical, the movie it seemed went too far in the other direction and didn't give us enough of the science. We see Watney solve a lot of problems and carry things out, but don't really get much of the thought and process that went into solving each problem beforehand, which is something I really liked in the book.

And while I suppose it's unavoidable with the huge time frames involved, it also felt like the movie rushed through the story a bit too quickly, especially in the second half where every five minutes we seem to skip ahead another 50-100 days or something. Which makes me think this is a story that would have been better suited for a TV mini-series than a single 2 1/2 hour movie.

Ultimately, as much as I really liked the movie, I'd have to give the edge to Gravity, which I just found a whole lot more gripping and intense.
 
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:lol: Fifty Shades of Red should be the sequel. :devil:
 
I don't know if the science is accurate but it wasn't blatantly inaccurate to a layman like me ...

Don't know about the movie as I haven't seen it yet, but the book is fairly accurate. The author did tons of research and never reached out to NASA. It was only after it was published that some from NASA contacted him, commenting on how faithful and scientifically accurate it all was. There are a few inaccurate parts, but it has more to do with some of the calculations than the ideas presented. Here's a great interview with Andy Weir done by Adam Savage.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SemyzKgaUU[/yt]
 
Saw it last night and really enjoyed it, although perhaps not as much as others here did. While I thought the book got a bit overly-technical, the movie it seemed went too far in the other direction and didn't give us enough of the science. We see Watney solve a lot of problems and carry things out, but don't really get much of the thought and process that went into solving each problem beforehand, which is something I really liked in the book.

And while I suppose it's unavoidable with the huge time frames involved, it also felt like the movie rushed through the story a bit too quickly, especially in the second half where every five minutes we seem to skip ahead another 50-100 days or something. Which makes me think this is a story that would have been better suited for a TV mini-series than a single 2 1/2 hour movie.

Ultimately, as much as I really liked the movie, I'd have to give the edge to Gravity, which I just found a whole lot more gripping and intense.

But made that way by including well-discussed inaccuracies. This movie isn't the first to cut corners in service to a good story.

I measure Gravity, Interstellar and Martian equally as being great science fiction that at least tries to look like it could happen in real life and not including nebulous hyperdrives, humanoid aliens, magical artificial gravity or such stuff. The time compression here is a necessary evil.
 
I just wish that the Mars base we put up there is as lavish.

Astronauts deserve something the size of the Hermes. Hermes would be great for a cycler:
http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/102410-Cycler-Ships

If fact--it was actually used as a de-facto cycler in the story.

A real Mars mission will be even more spartan. Even the nuclear Thermal designs I've seen from Stan Borowski are small in comparison.

The Terra Nova from Mars Rising:
http://i.space.com/images/i/000/002/826/i02/070923_racetomars_ship_02.jpg?1292266279

A bit smaller: http://i.space.com/images/i/000/008/190/i02/12-mars-exploration.jpg?1298339104

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44691888/...ider-nuclear-option-spaceflight/#.VhGI72xdHcs

Had the Saturns not been killed in favor of STS--this is what we could have had:
http://img02.deviantart.net/a77a/i/2009/277/4/7/mars_1981_by_blikjebier.jpg
 
The Martian

My Grade: A+

For the last few years around this time we've been blessed with a "hard sci-fi" movie. And by that, I mean a movie that delves into some of the deepest ends of the concept of the sci-fi genre rather than simply being a movie that happens to take place in space or deal with fantastical, but scientifically grounded (even if only in-universe) elements.

Two years ago it was "Gravity." While not strictly sci-fi in the purest sense considering no element of it was outside of present-day technology other than us still having a shuttle program, the movie is still mostly in that scope. It was praised for having a strong female character and for being more-or-less true to real-world science and physics even if Sandra Bullock's character wore fancy underarmor under her EVA suit rather than the temperature-regulating system and an adult diaper.

Lat year we had "Interstellar" a remarkable, broad scoping, Christopher Nolan movie dealing with man traveling through a wormhole to visit a distant planetary system in hopes of saving humanity from a dying Earth. Dealt with many heavy sci-fi elements and widely praised for staying true with physics and the nature of the universe as we presently understand them, including time dilation due to intense gravity wells. Again, it was accepted it played fast-and-loose at times for plot convenience but, by and large praised for how "plausible" it was.

This year we get "The Martian" and it keeps this tradition alive of us getting a good sci-fi movie around this time of year and this movie probably out steps the others in many aspects, and already is getting praised from NASA and others on how it depicts a manned mission to Mars and it staying within the realm of real-world scientific possibilities. In fact, virtually nothing in the movie is impossible to achieve beyond the government being willing to pay countless billions of dollars for such a program with seeming little to no gain. (In the real world, in manned trip to Mars likely will be a joint-international venture to pool the resources and money from many nations.)

Set in the not to distant future, probably not much more than 20 or 30 years from now though a date is never given and much of technology we see is similar to what we have today; so arguably it takes place in an alternate "present," mankind has ventured to Mars and is performing routine missions on the red planet with revolving crews visiting pre-established bases.

The current crew on the planet has their mission cut-short when a massive dust-storm on the red planet is incoming and it's predicted their escape shuttle will not survive the storm so they have to leave now. (I'm guessing they were already within their departure window, and just cut their stay short my a couple days) While fleeing to the escape shuttle Mark Watney (Matt Damon) is struck by a piece of debris and is lost in blinding storm. His medical senors aren't showing his life-signs and time is critical so the crew assumes him dead and departs to an orbiting space-craft and head back for Earth.

It turns out the debris did not kill Mark but had simply knocked him out and pierced his space suit and pierced his flesh, damaging the medical sensor. The debris and other factors helped maintain the integrity of the suit's pressure but Mark finds himself trapped on Mars, literally the only human being for millions of miles. (Other than the astronauts on the craft headed back for Earth on a 2-year journey.)

Mark takes inventory of his supplies in the established Martian habitat and concludes that even with rations originally for five people now being used by one, and even if he eats lighter meals there's not enough food for him to survive for potentially four years on the planet, the soonest any rescue mission could get to him and that's even assuming they think him alive.

Mark's initially resigned himself to his likely fate before re-steeling himself and begins working to find a way to keep himself alive for the next four years and to extend the range of a rover so he can drive to the next mission's landing site (a few thousand miles away.) He begins by building a hydroponic garden in the habitat to grow food using some Martian soil fertilized with what's in the habitat's human-waste storage system, and kept watered with a device creating water-vapor by burning rocket fuel. Plant some potatoes and he finds a way to have enough food for his four-year isolation on Mars, but having food is but one hurdle he has to overcome in order to stay alive.

Eventually his survival is discovered by NASA back on Earth and efforts begin there to re-establish communication and to give Mark all of the help he needs to survive.

The movie is truly and interesting experience and Matt Damon does a great job in the movie that while he doesn't have to carry on his own as the NASA scientists play a large role as well as his fellow Mars explorers on the spacecraft enroute back to Earth. But Matt does have only himself to play off of and the narrative excuse for him to talk is provided by him keeping a video diary.

I had spoken to a co-worker the other day who managed to see the movie at a pre-screening and he had said he was a bit disappointed in it as he expected more from it but what he got wasn't satisfying to him. He explained it in an interesting way that at the time I didn't think much of, and it didn't sound terrible to me, but after seeing the movie his analysis is correct -in part- but not his conclusion that this is what made it a bad movie. For me it's what *made* this movie so interesting and captivating to watch.

If you remember in the movie "Apollo 13" where the Carbon Dioxide levels in the lunar-lander are reaching a critical level because it's air filters couldn't handle the workload of the three astronauts (as it was only designed for two people and for a shorter period of time.) There's no spare air filters on the LEM but there are plenty of filters for the deactivated Command Module, but the filters on the CM are different than the ones on the LEM (them having been developed by different people.) So the people at NASA try and to think of a way to make the CM filters work in the LEM by using only the tools and materials available to the stranded astronauts. My co-worker's grumble was that "The Martian" was basically this series of events over and over. Some obstacle is in Mark's way and either he, or the crew at NASA have to find a way to overcome it using only what's on Mars.

Think is? I LIKED those parts of this movie, they were truly interesting and it caused the "thinking on your feet" part of my brain to activate and spin. Martian soil is dead, there's no (or not much) bacteria, nutrients or microorganisms in it for it to be used to grow crops, but it makes perfect sense to create fertilizer using what's in the stations septic system! Brilliant!

There's lots of problems like that in this movie and it's nicely narrated by Damon as he does it or explained by the NASA characters as they work out problems. There's even a great solution to get around the communication problem that'd not only make smile a person who's been a fan of and followed NASA's exploration of Mars but also that computer-geek deep inside of you.

The visuals in the movie are fantastic, between the Earth-bound locations used, the CGI used to recreate the Martian landscapes and horizons and the overall look of it is just amazing. The dirt devils and minor twisters in the background really give this planet an "alien" feel and while at times it can feel like a home it also at times feels like the unforgiving hellscape that it'd be to live on for months or years for any astronaut on a regular mission, let alone stranded there.

The entire cast delivers a good performance and if at all possible see this movie in 3D. Avatar levels of good 3D here that really bring the Martian vistas to life. This, right now, is the movie of the year for me. I've wanted a good, seriously taken, "Mars Mission" movie for decades and this movie delivers. Not completely in the way I always wanted it but, damn does it come close and bring the experience to you.
 
In my post, I praised Matt Damon for being dedicated enough to lose weight for the role. He didn't. Apparently he wanted to lose the weight but Ridley Scott opted instead to use a body double for the few shots needed.

I also regret not seeing the movie in 3D. I read an article before the movie opened that said that it was post-converted but it wasn't. The movie was shot with 3D cameras. Now I may never get to see it this way since I don't plan to go back to the theatre. At home someday? Who knows.
 
Dude, see it again in 3D. I don't think home 3D TVs can begin to do it justice. Avatar levels of 3D. You'll feel like you're on Mars and gape at the vistas.
 
In my post, I praised Matt Damon for being dedicated enough to lose weight for the role. He didn't. Apparently he wanted to lose the weight but Ridley Scott opted instead to use a body double for the few shots needed.

I also regret not seeing the movie in 3D. I read an article before the movie opened that said that it was post-converted but it wasn't. The movie was shot with 3D cameras. Now I may never get to see it this way since I don't plan to go back to the theatre. At home someday? Who knows.

If you have a theater chain that has half-price days, you can go on the half-price day (here in Canada at the Cineplex chain, it's on Tuesdays) and see the movie again. Or, if you live in a big city that has theaters that are independent beyond fist-run (and that show movies in 3D) you can see the movie when and if it plays at those theaters. Either way, if you decided to see it again, good luck and have a good time.
 
Saw it in standard..(3D gives me massive headaches) in one word..fantastic..
no villains other than Mars, space, the limits of technology and physics (as it probably is already) a good story, now all we need are the model kits.
 
Gravity was worth seeing in 3D, this one not so much. I found Sandra Bullock's character to be a bit too whiny and unprofessional for my tastes so the Martian wins. They did gloss over radiation exposure and the effects of zero G on the return journey without having the gym but exposition about such things would only have dragged on the pacing I guess. And it was nice to see that you can include a relatively effective love story without making it anywhere near the focus of the plot.
 
Thing is I just saw the movie and don't feel like seeing it again so soon. If it's my only chance to see it on the big screen in 3D though, I just might after all. And yeah, I've seen some people say it's worth it and some say it's not.
 
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