Field Uniform
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Trek has always been a "breezy pop-corn money-maker". It is fun to watch, but has never been comparable to hard edged science fiction.
That outfit screams original BSG to me....
Star Trek has never been about that
... to explore, strange new fashion, to seek out new trousers and new clothes, to boldly go where no fashion designer has gone before!
Oh ye, of little faith. Trek's occasionally brilliant, and those are the times I love it best.
Also, the Abramsverse movies overall have been shit with the uniforms. "Star-Lord in Blue" here aside, the formal gray ones don't look like they fit right, the hats in STID look like something out of a tinpot dictatorship, the zany ones without fabric in ST09 look like something out of Back to the Future II, the pajama ones in the Kobayashi Maru simulator...look like pajamas, the Kelvin ones look like the actors have to be constantly posing while in them, the Tyler Perry admiral ones look Romulan, the commodore one reminiscent of Kirk's from TMP look out of place with TOS ones in the same movie, and TOS ones often have issues in the neck area with the color tops not quite right on the black layer underneath.
None of them match and they're kind of a mess. Elements from each look great (you could do a series of uniforms from the commodore ones or the Kelvin ones that would be interesting) but as they are, I wonder what Abrams or the costume department were thinking. Oh and the helmet on robocop looks like something out of Monty Python.
None of them match and they're kind of a mess. Elements from each look great (you could do a series of uniforms from the commodore ones or the Kelvin ones that would be interesting) but as they are, I wonder what Abrams or the costume department were thinking. Oh and the helmet on robocop looks like something out of Monty Python.
It's brilliance wasn't related to tech or predicting the future.
Yeah, but there's a reason he never wore it and they were never seen again past "The Cage". Soldiers have less ornamentation these days and will have less again moving forward. Kirk never wore a hat.
Plus, look at Chekov's hat. Couldn't you design something better?
As I think about it, Abrams said he was more into Star Wars than Trek growing up. Is this why? Does he see the mannered uniforms of the Federation Starfleet a stone's throw from the Imperial Starfleet? Is it commentary similar to that in Starship Troopers about how affecting it is to be a soldier? That it makes one repressively ideological and weird-hatted and overall "gray"?
It isn't about clairvoyance but it is about making educated guesses. That's where the science comes in the fiction, rather than it being pure fantastical fiction.
We simply won't know what military fashion is like, or the military itself is like in the future. These things aren't always progressive.
And?
Probably not, as no one has come knocking on my door to design costumes.
Film is a visual medium. You have to have variety. Variety and scope is something Star Wars has always done better than Trek. If you're going to borrow from someone, borrow from someone that is good at it.
It wasn't about educated guesses either. Story and character not technology. The science served the story but didn't control it.
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I always loved the Cage field uniform, it always seemed much more practical than just beaming down in shirt and trousers. And also (especially with the hat) very Forbidden Planet.
The man with the backpack has always intrigued me too. I am sure that I could see an antenna protruding from it. I have often wondered if it was a radio booster so the landing party could reach orbit with their signals?
This old "Federation Reference Series" file speculated that the hat went with the dress uniform seen during the Orion sequence:
This old "Federation Reference Series" file speculated that the hat went with the dress uniform seen during the Orion sequence:
Nope! Because we hadn't seen Kirk wear a hat in TOS, means he can never wear a hat for all eternity. In perpetuity.
Ok, now you're just being combative because I don't like the uniform.
You're arguing the Trek future should be anachronistic and stagnant.
And the hats didn't last past the pilot. Not even the pilot (TOS's "Where No Man Has Gone Before"). The original pre-pilot. And no one actually wore them in that. They were considered dated from the start.
This is meaningless. Give me $50,000 and a year and I could design a very decent house despite not being an architect. Kids today on iPhones are making better movies than dreck previously produced.
This is entirely wrong. There are plenty of sharp uniforms in reality and fiction that Trek could draw inspiration from. Imperial officers were designed to look like Nazis. Abrams hearkening the Empire doesn't suggest that Starfleet uniforms should look sharper; it suggests that starfleets in general are inherently dubious.
You're arguing the Trek future should be anachronistic and stagnant.
And the hats didn't last past the pilot. Not even the pilot (TOS's "Where No Man Has Gone Before"). The original pre-pilot. And no one actually wore them in that. They were considered dated from the start.
This is meaningless. Give me $50,000 and a year and I could design a very decent house despite not being an architect. Kids today on iPhones are making better movies than dreck previously produced.
This is entirely wrong. There are plenty of sharp uniforms in reality and fiction that Trek could draw inspiration from. Imperial officers were designed to look like Nazis. Abrams hearkening the Empire doesn't suggest that Starfleet uniforms should look sharper; it suggests that starfleets in general are inherently dubious.
Educated guesses add verisimilitude which adds emotional resonance. It's not an either/or. Further, not making educated guesses have an effect as well communicating unrealistic information that the viewer is then burdened with.
The hat is zany, but is that the Death Star in the background?
Hats are cool, and GR wrote a scene involving a hat, but it never made it to the later drafts.
Field jackets are cool, too, but expensive - especially when made out of upholstery. Too much for a weekly TV show budget.
This current iteration: I like it except for the overdone Flash Gordon epaulettes: not so cool.
It's hard to take anyone seriously who thinks architecture ends at drawing a pretty picture of a house. Your $50,000 won't amount to much when the house collapses on the occupants because you left a big gap where a load bearing wall should have been.
They tended to dismiss most of the educated guessed made by the people they hired to make those educated guesses.
Star Treks verisimilitude had little to to with it's hypothetical technologies (which were surface level at best) and more to do with presenting thing that are familiar in a slightly altered environment.
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