Which was lamer: a second death star or the ewoks?

[JD]

I don't really have a problem with either one. Like several other people have said, the Empire having a second Death Star does make sense. It's also a nice call back to the first movie.
I don't have a problem with the Ewoks. These kinds of stories about the heroic primitive group defeating a more advanced group have been around for ages. I also thought they were kind of cute, and fun.

 

[BigJake]

In retrospect, all the flaws that would later come to dominate and define the prequel trilogy first showed up in Jedi

Most definitely.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Anyone who says Ewoks aren't annoying has never played SWTOR.

 

[Marsden]

A second Death Star does seem to be a lack of imagination, either on the part of the Emperor or Lucas.

I vote Ewoks because lack of imagination is something that can happen and does. I just hate ewoks.

I'd like to vote both. The whole movie really was bad. ROTJ is easily the worst Star Wars movie made.

 

[CorporalClegg]

ROTJ is easily the worst Star Wars movie made.

No. I'll agree wasn't very good and certainly not as good as some suggest. But as long as Clones exists, it's far from the worst.

 

[davejames]

Even as flawed as it may be, I still find it a helluva lot more fun and entertaining to watch than any the dreary prequels with it's lifeless characters and dull CG action.

ROTJ at least still has Han, Luke, Leia, and Chewie in it, as well as some genuinely thrilling action sequences in the Skiff Battle and Final Battles.

 

[Amaris]

Niether.

This. I liked the Ewoks and the whole second Death Star climax.

 

[velour]

Ewoks. The idea of the Empire doubling-down on a failed strategy is depressingly realistic. The Ewoks OTOH are the proto-Jar Jar, designed to sell toys rather than a story, and their part in the Battle of Endor makes not a lick of sense.

Now that I am thinking about it, the Ewoks remind me of a scene in the movie Spaceballs.
Lone Starr: "what is it that you do here?"
Yogurt (Mel Brooks): "merchandising".

Well why build one super weapon when you can build two at twice the price.

And lets face it aside from one small flaw the first Death Star would likely have stopped the Rebellion in it's tracks. Why would worlds revolt against the Empire if they could simply be blown up. The second Death Star would likely have elimianted that design flaw.

Didn't the second Death Star have an even bigger flaw? The first one had only a small opening where you had to shoot into. But the second one, you could fly an entire ship into it.

I remember the Millennium Falcon flew right through it. And the target in the middle of it was huge. How could anyone have missed it. The target practically said "shoot me, I'm here, shoot me and you'll destroy the Death Star". That was so lame.

 

[Unicron]

I was listening to the Ewok song the other day and found it rather funny that the soundtrack version is a slightly different pitch from the theatrical version, resulting in the former sounding like it's being sung by Minions. It would explain a lot.

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(If you're not a fan of the Ewok song, my apologies in advance )

Didn't the second Death Star have an even bigger flaw? The first one had only a small opening where you had to shoot into. But the second one, you could fly an entire ship into it.

I remember the Millennium Falcon flew right through it. And the target in the middle of it was huge. How could anyone have missed it. The target practically said "shoot me, I'm here, shoot me and you'll destroy the Death Star". That was so lame.

That was the bait in the Emperor's trap. The completed second Death Star wouldn't have had any flaws that could be exploited and had a more powerful superlaser that could recharge in minutes and be used against warships as well as planets. Therefore, the only way for the Alliance to destroy it is if it was still under construction and they'd have to commit the bulk of their resources to do it. Palpatine wanted to lure them in and smash them against the Imperial fleet, and it almost worked.

 

[The Old Mixer]

That's the scene that's missing from the film:

"And it would have worked, too, if not for you blasted teddy bears!"

 

[Unicron]

 

[DWF]

I have wondered how the secodn Death Star was more powerful than the first one, I mean the first one could destroy a planet.

 

[eyeresist]

Even as flawed as it may be, I still find it a helluva lot more fun and entertaining to watch than any the dreary prequels with it's lifeless characters and dull CG action.

ROTJ at least still has Han, Luke, Leia, and Chewie in it, as well as some genuinely thrilling action sequences in the Skiff Battle and Final Battles.

"I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive...!"

And Luke crying out to his father while the Emperor tortures him. Powerful stuff.

I was listening to the Ewok song the other day and found it rather funny that the soundtrack version is a slightly different pitch from the theatrical version, resulting in the former sounding like it's being sung by Minions. It would explain a lot.

Same pitch, different mix.

One thing to bear in mind is I think the Ewoks are an echo (conscious or unconscious) of Wizard of Oz's Munchkins, which fits with the fairy tale thing Lucas said he was going for.

 

[Hound of UIster]

Actually they take more inspiration from the Wookies and the Vietcong.

 

[Silvercrest]

I have wondered how the secodn Death Star was more powerful than the first one, I mean the first one could destroy a planet.

Two planets, perhaps?

 

[eyeresist]

Actually they take more inspiration from the Wookies and the Vietcong.

I'm aware of the origin of the Ewoks, but once Lucas decided to make them small rather than tall, and gave them a song to sing, I think he had other things in mind.

I'm currently reading "How Star Wars conquered the universe" BTW! Great book, and it includes the one pic of Roddenberry meeting Lucas, reproduced around the size of a postage stamp.

 

[Gaith]

^

 

[CorporalClegg]

"Careful. They'll worship you."

"Don't worry. I have an app for that."

 

[Admiral2]

I have wondered how the secodn Death Star was more powerful than the first one, I mean the first one could destroy a planet.

Two planets, perhaps?

Faster. The second death star demonstrated a quicker rate of fire than the first one, which probably means they worked out the superlaser's kinks. If the finished version also had a defense that even small fighters couldn't penetrate that alone would make it Death Star 2.0, or at least 1.5.

BTW, somebody upthread complained that the second one had gaps big enough for ships to fly into. Again: the thing wasn't finished yet.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Neither were lame. *shrug*