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Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States.

Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

I have no interest in adopting the Metric system. Standardization can be taken too far. I'd rather live in a world where countries have their own language, measurements, customs, architecture, et cetera, rather than just a homogenized lump.
True standardisation can be taken too far, but remind me again how much did the Mars Climate Oribiter cost due to non-standardisation?
Well, I'm talking about culture, not science and technology. In any case, Mars Orbiter didn't fail because of non-standardization, it failed because of non-conversion-- and I doubt we'll ever completely eliminate human error.

True you can never eliminate human error but you can minimise the risk of human error by using the same system.

In the case of the Mars Climate Observer, yes it failed because of non-standardisation. Because 1 team used metric and another imperial. Had they both been using the same system they would have been no need to convert from one to another. Which is basically what happened

From wikipedia

However, on September 23, 1999, communication with the spacecraft was lost as the spacecraft went into orbital insertion, due to ground-based computer software which produced output in non-SI units of pound-seconds (lbf s) instead of the metric units of newton-seconds (N s) specified in the contract between NASA and Lockheed.

So at first glance one or more human errors occured

1.>Lockheed failed to follow the NASA specification
2.>NASA failed to detect the error made by Lockheed

But the error was detected
The discrepancy between calculated and measured position, resulting in the discrepancy between desired and actual orbit insertion altitude, had been noticed earlier by at least two navigators, whose concerns were dismissed. A meeting of trajectory software engineers, trajectory software operators (navigators), propulsion engineers, and managers, was convened to consider the possibility of executing Trajectory Correction Maneuver-5, which was in the schedule. Attendees of the meeting recall an agreement to conduct TCM-5, but it was ultimately not done.

So yet more human errors failure to carry out TCM-5, the root cause of the error as I said earlier is due to companies using different measuring system.
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

Water boils at a 100 degrees, and freezes at zero Degrees.

That's something dumb babies should be able to get behind.

Water freezes at 32 °F and boils at 212 °F.

WTF?
Nooo... #### Me... 0 °F is the freezing point of salt water.

WTF X2!!!
Using water as a basis is arbitrary. While it is important to life here on Earth, it's not important to the universe. The Kelvin scale is also therefor suspect. A standard-candle range (absolute zero to ?) needs to be determined in some universally natural gradient. Water isn't it. Water is an anomaly that has a strange reaction to freezing.

Yeah, it's worth pointing out that Fahrenheit sets its zero using a Frigorific Mixture (a brine of ice, water, and ammonium chloride), which is a much more stable measure.
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

Really? I thought that passports were always necessary to cross any national border - even the US/Canada one. Got any links?

I did it twice. Both times were in the 1970s. Not one person in our parties had a passport.

One time, a mom and a car full of kids crossing in Detroit (her child and the child's friends, I was one of the friends), no one had to show any picture ID at all. She just explained to the border guard that she was taking her kid and his friends over to visit Canada for a couple of hours. :shrug:

Yeah, my family used to visit Mexico all the time without a passport, and my friends and I did it during college too.

My mom, brother and I once visited Tjuana while on a vacation in San Diego in 1997, and we never needed a passport either. We were only there about two hours, so maybe that made the difference, I don't know. All I remember is the border guards saying "hello" and "have a pleasant day" going both directions.
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

So you could have smuggled 40 pounds of pot?
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

Water boils at a 100 degrees, and freezes at zero Degrees.
Depends on the atmospheric pressure, and why use water as your standard as opposed to something else?

"American Customary" is a made up term
And "Metric System" isn't?

My mom, brother and I once visited Tjuana while on a vacation in San Diego in 1997, and we never needed a passport either. We were only there about two hours, so maybe that made the difference, I don't know. All I remember is the border guards saying "hello" and "have a pleasant day" going both directions.
Been to both Canada and Mexico using just my enhanced driver's license, got checked both way at the Canada border, with Mexico five of us received no checks going in (the smiling Mexican guard told me "welcome home chica"), coming back to America I was the only one who got asked for ID.

The joys of being brown.
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

Water boils at a 100 degrees, and freezes at zero Degrees.
Depends on the atmospheric pressure, and why use water as your standard as opposed to something else?

I would say the lowest temperature to which one can reproducibly cool brine is equally arbitrary and at least the arbitrary choice of water as a basis for Celsius happens to be something which is used daily by everyone and the freezing and boiling points of are actually relevant and useful (and happens to tie into a general metric obsession with water - 1cm^3 of water weighs 1 gram, etc). Plus, when it comes to measurements, an argument of popularity is powerful - and Celsius beats Fahrenheit hands down in that arena.

Although now that I don't work in science anymore and don't care about SI units as I once did, if you're going to change anything, I'd rather you started cooking by weight instead of volume. Bloody 'cups' of stuff. How do you take a 'cup' of butter? Just weigh it!
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

I did it twice. Both times were in the 1970s. Not one person in our parties had a passport.

One time, a mom and a car full of kids crossing in Detroit (her child and the child's friends, I was one of the friends), no one had to show any picture ID at all. She just explained to the border guard that she was taking her kid and his friends over to visit Canada for a couple of hours.

Yeah, my family used to visit Mexico all the time without a passport, and my friends and I did it during college too.

My mom, brother and I once visited Tjuana while on a vacation in San Diego in 1997, and we never needed a passport either. We were only there about two hours, so maybe that made the difference, I don't know. All I remember is the border guards saying "hello" and "have a pleasant day" going both directions.

So you could have smuggled 40 pounds of pot?

Back in the late-80s, I smuggled in 15 kilos worth of 100% pure grade Mexican Coke as a mule for the Southern Cali cartel of Doña Abuela. I felt like Scarface. But I knew with horrifying clarity that one day the racket would come to an end and I'd wind up with my misdeeds exploding in my face.

That day came in 1989, when, after taking a rough side road to avoid border inspections, the box of 24-bottles was badly shaken in transit. Hot and thirsty from the grueling off-road drive, I made the rookie mistake of trying to sample the merchandise, and it hit me like a sticky, sugary shotgun blast to the face. I've never taken Mexican Coke since.

After an extensive treatment program with Dr. Pepper, I'm finally getting my life back on track.
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

Although now that I don't work in science anymore and don't care about SI units as I once did, if you're going to change anything, I'd rather you started cooking by weight instead of volume. Bloody 'cups' of stuff. How do you take a 'cup' of butter? Just weigh it!

Are you joking? It's much easier to just fill a measuring cup full of something than it would be to have to weigh each ingredient in a recipe.

Actually, cooking/baking is really one of the few places where I use Imperial measures in my day-to-day life. Even my oven is set to Fahrenheit for simplicity... and I have no idea what Fahrenheit temperatures even are when used in relation to weather. (78 degrees? Is that warm, cool, what? No idea.) I'm guessing this is because so many recipes originate in the US.

Not to say that I don't have occasional issues with conversion. Brings to mind a funny story*. A number of recipes call for "1 14-oz can of sweetened condensed milk". OK, well that's a liquid, so I looked up a conversion and found 14 fl. oz. = 414 ml. But the cans sold here are all 300 ml. So, for each recipe that called for "one can", I bought two cans, and used about 1/3 of the second one. Sometimes, if I wasn't using condensed milk for anything else, the other 2/3 can would end up going to waste and have to be thrown out. And they're not cheap. :(

Well, I actually found out recently that the 14 oz is by weight, not by volume, and each 14 oz can contains about 1 1/4 cups, which is actually 10 oz by volume... which comes out to about... 300 ml. It turns out the size of the cans in Canada are the same as the cans in the US, so "1 14 oz can" actually equals "1 300 ml can". D'oh!!

Needless to say, this actually makes things easier, but I wish I hadn't wasted all the earlier part cans! And seriously, why is "ounce" both a weight and volume measure? :lol:

* Well, *I* thought it was funny...
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

Mexico, Spain and Columbia.

The point on this one is to force the adoption of Spanish as the official American lanuage if the three new states just added contain 210 million primarily Spanish speaking US Citizens (Which they do.).
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

How do you take a 'cup' of butter? Just weigh it!

Measurement increments are labelled on the butter. All you have to do is slice off what you need.
butter_zps4uf9lvka.jpg
 
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Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

Isn't the US fluid ounce smaller than the imperial fluid ounce, I think under imperial a fluid ounce and an ounce are the same in terms of weight.
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

Customary is what the yanks were using when they kicked the British out in 1776.

Imperial, although similar, was invented in 1825.

Customary and Imperial have both been subject to modernization over the centuries.
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

Mexico, Spain and Columbia.

The point on this one is to force the adoption of Spanish as the official American lanuage if the three new states just added contain 210 million primarily Spanish speaking US Citizens (Which they do.).

We don't have a national official language here.
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

The West Wing taught me that years ago. :)

Point being is that the Spanish speaking billionaires have no desire to be alienated in their own country, and the English speaking Billionaires can't quite see how this is a thing.

At the moment, you can't adopt an official language, because of the corssfire of shit that would be unleashed by the slighted freaking out and rioting. Of course my scenario is that by adding 210 new Spanish primary speakers, the deadlock would be broken, and the government would be forced to surrender to the will of it's people, who are mostly a massive city burrning rabble of hundreds of millions, but also a couple new opinated billionaires.
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

The West Wing taught me that years ago. :)


Best not to us The West Wing as guide for US politics, or perhaps it should be used as a guide. ;)

After all is there talk of yet another US government shutdown over the budget once again last time around it was the PPACA, this time it's what Planned Parenthood?
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

Did you know know that Hugh Laurie is going to be the President on Veep next year?

Good #### to look forward to. :)
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

Locutus of Bored said:
Back in the late-80s, I smuggled in 15 kilos worth of 100% pure grade Mexican Coke as a mule for the Southern Cali cartel of Doña Abuela. I felt like Scarface. But I knew with horrifying clarity that one day the racket would come to an end and I'd wind up with my misdeeds exploding in my face.

That day came in 1989, when, after taking a rough side road to avoid border inspections, the box of 24-bottles was badly shaken in transit. Hot and thirsty from the grueling off-road drive, I made the rookie mistake of trying to sample the merchandise, and it hit me like a sticky, sugary shotgun blast to the face. I've never taken Mexican Coke since.

After an extensive treatment program with Dr. Pepper, I'm finally getting my life back on track.

But you will hear the call again. And try as you might, it is unavoidable.

And then, to quote someone else, you'll say: Just when I thought I got out, they pull me back in!

:D
 
Re: Name 3 countries you'd consider inviting to join the United States

They've got their hooks into me.

 
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