New major alien civilization in Trek 3/XIII?

[iMike]

Maybe I'm too far out in left-field here, but since we're in an alternate universe why can't we have a completely new race we've never heard of before? Just because they exist in this universe doesn't mean they have to exist in the Prime Universe.

Well, the trouble is that the JJ Universe and the Prime Universe were the same place until 25 years before the filming. Where would a brand-new race come from in that little time?

I mean, go back to the year 1990 and make whatever change you like. I can believe you'd affect the courses of presidential elections, and that you could maybe make some factions stronger and some weaker. But could you make a brand-new country pop up in North America?

... I guess technically, like by a successful Quebec secession movement, or maybe some central American nations decide to merge or something like that. But it would be made out of the stuff we'd know and recognize from our timeline. We wouldn't be seeing a Dominion of Poyais popping up.

(Which isn't to say there can't be aliens that were nearby in Original Series time that we never heard of before, of course. We learned about a tiny fraction of what was around. Just that if the next movie introduces a brand-new alien, we can feel reasonably confident that they also existed in the Prime Timeline, just we didn't happen to hear of them.)

The two universes aren't exactly the same, there are vast differences. In the JJ-verse the Utopia Planitia ship yards are located on Earth. That is a very distinct difference. I think with the JJ-verse the rules of the Prime Universe do not apply. Why do events that occur in each universe have to occur at the same time? They don't. That's the joy of an alternate universe.

 

[M'Sharak]

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The two universes aren't exactly the same, there are vast differences. In the JJ-verse the Utopia Planitia ship yards are located on Earth. That is a very distinct difference.

The Utopia Planitia shipyards are at Mars, same as always (or they will be there in the future, in the event they don't yet exist in the mid-23rd century.) They simply have not figured in these stories.

 

[BillJ]

The two universes aren't exactly the same, there are vast differences. In the JJ-verse the Utopia Planitia ship yards are located on Earth. That is a very distinct difference. I think with the JJ-verse the rules of the Prime Universe do not apply. Why do events that occur in each universe have to occur at the same time? They don't. That's the joy of an alternate universe.

Nope. The San Francisco Yards are at Earth, just like in TOS.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Interesting. So does that mean San Francisco annexed Iowa in the JJverse?

 

[BillJ]

Interesting. So does that mean San Francisco annexed Iowa in the JJverse?

It probably means it has a campus in Iowa. But, it is likely that the construction took place at multiple facilities over a number of years.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The two universes aren't exactly the same, there are vast differences. In the JJ-verse the Utopia Planitia ship yards are located on Earth. That is a very distinct difference. I think with the JJ-verse the rules of the Prime Universe do not apply. Why do events that occur in each universe have to occur at the same time? They don't. That's the joy of an alternate universe.

If you look too closely, none of Trek holds together. According to classic Trek episodes and movies like "That Which Survives" and Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, Kirk's old Enterprise could have made Voyager's galaxy-crossing lifelong journey or covered the distance of DS9's wormhole in a month or less. That renders the entire premise of both spin-offs pointless!

Point is, The Powers That Be insist the differences between timelines begin with the appearance of Nero in the path of the USS Kelvin - and so, nitpicks aside, that's the way it is.

 

[Malaika]

We know that Boutella's role is a new alien (And I like her design). I wonder if they are related to the Nibirans or completely unrelated. I guess the former.

You aren't the only one who thought that

 

[Nebusj]

Maybe I'm too far out in left-field here, but since we're in an alternate universe why can't we have a completely new race we've never heard of before? Just because they exist in this universe doesn't mean they have to exist in the Prime Universe.

Well, the trouble is that the JJ Universe and the Prime Universe were the same place until 25 years before the filming. Where would a brand-new race come from in that little time?

I mean, go back to the year 1990 and make whatever change you like. I can believe you'd affect the courses of presidential elections, and that you could maybe make some factions stronger and some weaker. But could you make a brand-new country pop up in North America?

... I guess technically, like by a successful Quebec secession movement, or maybe some central American nations decide to merge or something like that. But it would be made out of the stuff we'd know and recognize from our timeline. We wouldn't be seeing a Dominion of Poyais popping up.

(Which isn't to say there can't be aliens that were nearby in Original Series time that we never heard of before, of course. We learned about a tiny fraction of what was around. Just that if the next movie introduces a brand-new alien, we can feel reasonably confident that they also existed in the Prime Timeline, just we didn't happen to hear of them.)

The two universes aren't exactly the same, there are vast differences. In the JJ-verse the Utopia Planitia ship yards are located on Earth. That is a very distinct difference. I think with the JJ-verse the rules of the Prime Universe do not apply. Why do events that occur in each universe have to occur at the same time? They don't. That's the joy of an alternate universe.

The Prime and the JJ universe were identical until about 25 years before the ``present'' of the movies. They can be different places, but there are limits. Take a rogue Chinese naval vessel and send it back in time to August 2, 1990 and have it somehow blow up the USS Cole and I will grant that the alternate-reality 2015 may look very different to what ours is like. But it will not have a brand-new continent occupied by a Great Power three hundred kilometers east of Narraganset Bay.

 

[eyeresist]

Frankly, considering how utterly ridiculous the Klingons looked in STID I will be very happy if I don't have to look at them in STB. STID did to Klingons what Twilight did to vampires.

What, made them sparkly, pretty love interests? I somehow must have missed that bit.
The make-up was slightly different, and they were wearing armor. Big whoop.

Any talk of Klingons being in STB is just wild fan speculation. Based on the known facts, there's no reason to expect Klingons in the new movie.

 

[Saul]

We know that Boutella's role is a new alien (And I like her design). I wonder if they are related to the Nibirans or completely unrelated. I guess the former.

You aren't the only one who thought that

Perhaps Kirk's actions in the previous movie caused a jump in their evolution.

 

[Oso Blanco]

The make-up was slightly different

The make-up was completely different! I wouldn't have known that they were supposed to be Klingons without the context of the movie ...

And why must every alien in the nuVerse have tattoos or piercings? Isn't it bad enough that I must see those ugly fashions in real life every day?

 

[Nerys Myk]

The make-up was slightly different

The make-up was completely different! I wouldn't have known that they were supposed to be Klingons without the context of the movie ...

And why must every alien in the nuVerse have tattoos or piercings? Isn't it bad enough that I must see those ugly fashions in real life every day?

No

The Klingons looked like a completely new alien.

If it was 1979, you might have a point.

But there no way this

Is so different that these, that it would be "a completely new alien".

So catch me up. Which aliens had tattoos or piercings other than the Romulans and Klingons?

 

[eyeresist]

The make-up was slightly different

The make-up was completely different! I wouldn't have known that they were supposed to be Klingons without the context of the movie ...

Well, he was speaking Klingon. Also, individualised forehead ridges have been a thing since TSFS.

Nu Klingon:
http://i.imgur.com/REY1JR1.jpg

TMP Klingon:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp/themotionpicture0025.jpg

TSFS Klingon:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuc/ch9/tuc0477.jpg

Dorn in TUC:
http://i0.wp.com/www.thecinemasourc..._dorn-new_star_trek_series_captain_worf-2.jpg

 

[eyeresist]

So catch me up. Which aliens had tattoos or piercings other than the Romulans and Klingons?

Ferenghis and Bajorans had piercings.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So catch me up. Which aliens had tattoos or piercings other than the Romulans and Klingons?

Ferenghis and Bajorans had piercings.

NuTrek aliens.

 

[eyeresist]

So catch me up. Which aliens had tattoos or piercings other than the Romulans and Klingons?

Ferenghis and Bajorans had piercings.

NuTrek aliens.

Ah, okay. Still, there is a precedent.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ferenghis and Bajorans had piercings.

NuTrek aliens.

Ah, okay. Still, there is a precedent.

I'm not against it.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Interesting. So does that mean San Francisco annexed Iowa in the JJverse?

It probably means it has a campus in Iowa. But, it is likely that the construction took place at multiple facilities over a number of years.

Correct. How do we know that San Francisco Shipyards isn't a company that contracted the job? Maybe there are SF Shipyards all over the planet (or even solar system, which rationalized why they specified "Earth" on the dedication plaque).

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Well. The swarm like aliens rumor seems to be true.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I haven't caught the trailer yet, but is this, like, the "Swarm" bioships from the Voyager episode of the same name?