Prometheus 2: Apparently it's happening
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Regardless of the final movie, I still think this is one of my favourite trailers ever. Especially the last minute, with your speakers on LOUD.
Some of those shots were just so damn tantalising. Maybe the fact the film didn't really live up to it made it more disappointing, but anyway..
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34cEo0VhfGE[/yt]
Some of those shots were just so damn tantalising. Maybe the fact the film didn't really live up to it made it more disappointing, but anyway..
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34cEo0VhfGE[/yt]
As much as I dislike promotional material that gives away major third act plot elements, I don't think anyone was supposed to be shocked that there was a big explosion near the end of the film, or even that the titular ship didn't make it to the end credits (same thing happened in Alien, after all.)
The crux of the movie for me (and the reason I was excited to see it) was getting to know what the deal was with the "space jockeys". I was still disappointed, but not because trailer or posters gave anything vital away.
The crux of the movie for me (and the reason I was excited to see it) was getting to know what the deal was with the "space jockeys". I was still disappointed, but not because trailer or posters gave anything vital away.
I loved the movie, own it on Blu-Ray, and want to see more of this universe. Boo to the haters.
Yes, for being Scott's entire inspiration behind the movie, shoehorning that beautifully awesome creature into a spacesuit was an insult to intelligence (like much of the script). It was like midichlorians all over again. I know for sure that those bones we saw in Alien were an endoskeleton of a giant creature and nothing like the scaled-down revisionistic cheat we saw in Prometheus. Scott's question was never answered in my head canon.
I also have the Blu-ray. And I want to see more of this universe - done well. Boo to the Defenders of Mediocrity. I guess I'm just not a "real fan" and should make a movie myself before I criticize another.
Somebody pass the popcorn.... this is gonna get interesting.
I don't really subscribe to that. I always thought the jockey was wearing some kind of bio-mechanoid suit (or did you really think a creature would evolve with a nose trunk permanently embedded in it's chest cavity? Or that they flew their ships stark naked?) and in a sense, it *was* and exoskeleton, albeit an artificial one.
I also liked the twist that under that they looked suspiciously like the Graeco-Roman gods. It's a neat twist and a shocking contrast to the Giger aesthetic. Also, that's much more interesting to me than some random unknown alien species in some ancient forgotten war with some ever more unknown alien species.
Yeah, I did. The embedded trunk was a bold design and it's one thing I consciously wanted answered and maybe to see in the flesh. And that was just one of many conscious disappointments at the theater. They took HR Giger's intentionally biological design and perverted it for the purposes of the terrible script instead of bringing to life what we actually saw in Alien. Show me some HR Giger design that would convince me that he would have put a suit on that alien. Giger clearly designed it with bones and a burst chest cavity.
As for the naked alien part, I'd take it for granted - and obvious - that anything that got to the skin had to get through the clothes (or suit) first, if the Jockey wore them. But no, I never assumed the Jockey even had a space suit, an artificial atmosphere obviating the need for one.
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Lots of things eventually deviated from Giger's nightmarish (as a compliment) designs. I thought the best evolution of that was the warrior aliens and the alien queen in Aliens.
When I saw Alien, I too thought that the Space Jockey was wearing some kind of space suit, and not something with a nose trunk going into his chest as a matter of some biological oddity. The revelation of what the Space Jockey was in Prometheus was fine. I didn't have a problem with it.
The Dark Horse comic continuation of ALIENS, before the character names were changed (courtesy of Alien 3) did little, in my humble opinion, to support the notion that the nose into the chest trunk thingamabob was a biomechanical design as opposed to a space suit apparatus.
Other than all this....Prometheus did its main job... it entertained me. I got my money's worth, and am waiting to slam down some more on the second.
When I saw Alien, I too thought that the Space Jockey was wearing some kind of space suit, and not something with a nose trunk going into his chest as a matter of some biological oddity. The revelation of what the Space Jockey was in Prometheus was fine. I didn't have a problem with it.
The Dark Horse comic continuation of ALIENS, before the character names were changed (courtesy of Alien 3) did little, in my humble opinion, to support the notion that the nose into the chest trunk thingamabob was a biomechanical design as opposed to a space suit apparatus.
Other than all this....Prometheus did its main job... it entertained me. I got my money's worth, and am waiting to slam down some more on the second.
Probably more likely than them looking a lot like humans considering they would be evolving on a totally different planet with who knows what differences from Earth.
My thoughts exactly. And I don't think an advanced civilization (i.e., not us) would carry the same prudish baggage about modesty. At the very least, we can't make that assumption or project our sensibilities upon them. Only when a story is adapted for a human audience might we need to clothe the characters. Do The Greys wear clothes? I don't think so. Have you seen Monsters Inc.? The nudity is shocking.
They came first and seeded the planet with their DNA. They didn't evolve to look like humans. We evolved to look like them.
That objection is preempted by the current argument in the thread that the writer of Prometheus perverted what the Jockey was in Alien and shoehorned it into a suit for the needs of an awful script. Instead of organically writing the story of Prometheus with how the Jockey was designed by Giger and constructed and represented by Ridley Scott in 1979's Alien, we got a scaled down version in a suit for Prometheus. Scott failed to answer the very question that inspired him to make the film because we did not see the Jockey from Alien in Prometheus. If you go with Giger's original design, Hartzilla2007's comment is perfectly valid.
The movie went back and forth between a prequel and a standalone movie, so the end result ended up being rather confusing.
IIRC Dallas actually comments in 'Alien' that it looked as if the "Jockey" had "grown out of the chair" and indeed, it is designed as such, so the idea of it being some form of bio-mechanoid was right there in the text from the off.
As for the "trunk", the design similarity between the Jockey's head and a high altitude flight helmet complete with respirator is so blatant and obviously deliberate that I think you'd have to try really hard to convince yourself that is was meant to be purely organic anatomy.
Personally, I like how the smooth, marble-like physique of the Engineers so drastically contrasted with the Giger stuff. Aside from being visually striking and touching on Graeco-Roman mythology about gods and demi-gods that walked the earth, it showed that they really are the builders of all of this stuff and distinguishes them from the Beast which is ever more clearly a bio-mechanical weapon and not a species that evolved naturally.
Had they gone the route of making the pilot just another bio-mech monster, I don't think the concept would be anywhere near as interesting. The execution of that concept is a whole different matter.
As for the "trunk", the design similarity between the Jockey's head and a high altitude flight helmet complete with respirator is so blatant and obviously deliberate that I think you'd have to try really hard to convince yourself that is was meant to be purely organic anatomy.
Personally, I like how the smooth, marble-like physique of the Engineers so drastically contrasted with the Giger stuff. Aside from being visually striking and touching on Graeco-Roman mythology about gods and demi-gods that walked the earth, it showed that they really are the builders of all of this stuff and distinguishes them from the Beast which is ever more clearly a bio-mechanical weapon and not a species that evolved naturally.
Had they gone the route of making the pilot just another bio-mech monster, I don't think the concept would be anywhere near as interesting. The execution of that concept is a whole different matter.
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