Anyone else tired of comic book movies???

[ITL]

I agree. They spend almost the entire film trying to keep an absurd flying aircraft carrier contraption (albeit straight from the comics) from crashing

Only in a universe where 15 minutes and 2 1/2 hours are the same length.

 

[kirk55555]

I agree. They have their place in the cinematic totem pole. But I mentioned that because so many people were fawning over The Dark Knight when it came out. I remember reading things like that. Hearing it from friends. Actually comparing it to The Godfather or saying it was the "Best American movie ever made."

Even popcorn movies can cause paradigm shifts and make the leap into "great cinema"; I understand that too. Raiders of the Lost Ark straight-up changed the way action movies were made, for example. So it's possible, but okay if they just "are what they are."

I don't like TDK, but I do find it weird when people try to say movies like The Godfather are any better than, say, The Avengers. I've yet to find a Godfather-like movie (ie a movie loved by film buffs because its "art" or something) that's even remotely as entertaining as any Marvel movie. I don't watch movies to see "art", I watch movies to be entertained. I'd take Iron Man 2 or Thor over The Godfather or, say, Citizen Kane any day of the week (and I actually do like Godfather and Citizen Kane). I think a "cinematic tote pole" is BS. The Godfather is no more "higher" on a totem pole than Spider-Man or X-Men or Ant-Man. Hell, its no more higher than Superman Returns or Spider-Man 3.

I guess I don't get the mentality of people who put down some films, or even entire genres, as somehow being less important or worthy than more "artsy" stuff. I mean, like what you want, but when people say stuff like "Well, that movie is ok, but its no (insert critic favorite movie here)" I just shrug. There is nothing inherently superior about films like The Godfather. Movies can be historically important, iconic, etc, but it doesn't make them more worthwhile or somehow intrinsically better. People can personally think some movies are better than others of course, but personally I'll take a "popcorn flick" over artsy any day of the week.

 

[DWF]

I feel completely burnt out on superhero movies after that boring Avengers 2, which felt like a trailer for Avengers 3.

By and large, this is the Marvel formula. There are exceptions like Iron Man 3, but then Age of Ultron rendered that the film equivalent of an after-school special. Even a decent chunk of Guardians of the Galaxy was spent with characters repeating the name "Thanos," to start building him up as A Thing that audiences should remember in the future.

Thanos might be mentioned about five time and has less than five minutes of screen time, really compared his two appearances in the Avengers movies, it really amounted very little. And really given how important of a character he's becoming they need to build up his character even more than they already have.

 

[Timby]

Darth Vader didn't need build-up. Fucking Thanos doesn't need several movies of build-up.

 

[cardinal biggles]

So here's a freebie for all you budding screenwriters out there;

A couple of producers realize their in-production movie is going to be a massive flop so they decide("The Producers" style), based on events cited above their only course of action is to kill off as many of their main cast as possible, to guarantee a hit.

I liked it better the first time when it was called Network.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37nkErzdTOA[/yt]

 

[DWF]

Darth Vader didn't need build-up. Fucking Thanos doesn't need several movies of build-up.

Funny, Vader killed a man with his own hand within five minutes of meeting him and really it was Palpatine who was the real villain and it took three movies before we saw him in person. Thanos so far hasn't done much openly and he's always been a pretty complex character.

 

[Kelthaz]

Darth Vader didn't need build-up. Fucking Thanos doesn't need several movies of build-up.

Maybe not Darth Vader, but The Emperor needed build-up. He was mentioned in the first film, shown as a hologram in the second, and then front and center in Return of the Jedi. And it was awesome. Building up a character or a threat is a fantastic way to tell a story. Babylon 5 did it with the Shadows, TNG did it with the Borg, DS9 with the Dominion, ASOIF with the Others/White Walkers, etc.

You need to realize that the MCU films are not designed to be standalone films. They're designed to be chapters in a larger interconnected story. Just like a comic book.

 

[Tulin]

So here's a freebie for all you budding screenwriters out there;

A couple of producers realize their in-production movie is going to be a massive flop so they decide("The Producers" style), based on events cited above their only course of action is to kill off as many of their main cast as possible, to guarantee a hit.

I liked it better the first time when it was called Network.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37nkErzdTOA[/yt]

That's weird - I had actually planned to watch that this weekend!

Shows what a great idea I had!

 

[Masiral]

Darth Vader didn't need build-up. Fucking Thanos doesn't need several movies of build-up.

Maybe not Darth Vader, but The Emperor needed build-up. He was mentioned in the first film, shown as a hologram in the second, and then front and center in Return of the Jedi. And it was awesome. Building up a character or a threat is a fantastic way to tell a story. Babylon 5 did it with the Shadows, TNG did it with the Borg, DS9 with the Dominion, ASOIF with the Others/White Walkers, etc.

You need to realize that the MCU films are not designed to be standalone films. They're designed to be chapters in a larger interconnected story. Just like a comic book.

Or like a TV show, with the Avengers movies as the season finales and Kevin Feige as the showrunner.

 

[Timby]

You need to realize that the MCU films are not designed to be standalone films. They're designed to be chapters in a larger interconnected story. Just like a comic book.

I get that. It makes much of the installments of the MCU shitty movies.

Comics and film are not a 1:1 comparison.

 

[Kelthaz]

You need to realize that the MCU films are not designed to be standalone films. They're designed to be chapters in a larger interconnected story. Just like a comic book.

I get that. It makes much of the installments of the MCU shitty movies.

Comics and film are not a 1:1 comparison.

I noticed that you completely ignored my first paragraph where I listed examples of great uses of build-up in films, TV shows, and books.

 

[Set Harth]

Fucking Thanos doesn't need several movies of build-up.

But a little foreplay isn't out of the question.

 

[Greg Cox]

Fucking Thanos doesn't need several movies of build-up.

But a little foreplay isn't out of the question.

And not unprecedented. The original Bond movies teased Blofeld for years before finally showing his face in You Only Live Twice.

Before that, he was just a shadowy figure stroking a white cat . . .

 

[Marsden]

I don't like TDK, but I do find it weird when people try to say movies like The Godfather are any better than, say, The Avengers. I've yet to find a Godfather-like movie (ie a movie loved by film buffs because its "art" or something) that's even remotely as entertaining as any Marvel movie. I don't watch movies to see "art", I watch movies to be entertained. I'd take Iron Man 2 or Thor over The Godfather or, say, Citizen Kane any day of the week (and I actually do like Godfather and Citizen Kane). I think a "cinematic tote pole" is BS. The Godfather is no more "higher" on a totem pole than Spider-Man or X-Men or Ant-Man. Hell, its no more higher than Superman Returns or Spider-Man 3.

I guess I don't get the mentality of people who put down some films, or even entire genres, as somehow being less important or worthy than more "artsy" stuff. I mean, like what you want, but when people say stuff like "Well, that movie is ok, but its no (insert critic favorite movie here)" I just shrug. There is nothing inherently superior about films like The Godfather. Movies can be historically important, iconic, etc, but it doesn't make them more worthwhile or somehow intrinsically better. People can personally think some movies are better than others of course, but personally I'll take a "popcorn flick" over artsy any day of the week.

+1!

Snobbery is snobbery, whether it's movies or anything else.

 

[Turtletrekker]

You need to realize that the MCU films are not designed to be standalone films. They're designed to be chapters in a larger interconnected story. Just like a comic book.

I get that. It makes much of the installments of the MCU shitty movies.

Comics and film are not a 1:1 comparison.

I noticed that you completely ignored my first paragraph where I listed examples of great uses of build-up in films, TV shows, and books.

Status quo for Mr. Timby. It almost seems like he's less interested in the conversation here and more interested in trashing Marvel movies. To each, their own.

 

[Relayer1]

I agree. They have their place in the cinematic totem pole. But I mentioned that because so many people were fawning over The Dark Knight when it came out. I remember reading things like that. Hearing it from friends. Actually comparing it to The Godfather or saying it was the "Best American movie ever made."

Even popcorn movies can cause paradigm shifts and make the leap into "great cinema"; I understand that too. Raiders of the Lost Ark straight-up changed the way action movies were made, for example. So it's possible, but okay if they just "are what they are."

I don't like TDK, but I do find it weird when people try to say movies like The Godfather are any better than, say, The Avengers. I've yet to find a Godfather-like movie (ie a movie loved by film buffs because its "art" or something) that's even remotely as entertaining as any Marvel movie. I don't watch movies to see "art", I watch movies to be entertained. I'd take Iron Man 2 or Thor over The Godfather or, say, Citizen Kane any day of the week (and I actually do like Godfather and Citizen Kane). I think a "cinematic tote pole" is BS. The Godfather is no more "higher" on a totem pole than Spider-Man or X-Men or Ant-Man. Hell, its no more higher than Superman Returns or Spider-Man 3.

I guess I don't get the mentality of people who put down some films, or even entire genres, as somehow being less important or worthy than more "artsy" stuff. I mean, like what you want, but when people say stuff like "Well, that movie is ok, but its no (insert critic favorite movie here)" I just shrug. There is nothing inherently superior about films like The Godfather. Movies can be historically important, iconic, etc, but it doesn't make them more worthwhile or somehow intrinsically better. People can personally think some movies are better than others of course, but personally I'll take a "popcorn flick" over artsy any day of the week.

It doesn't have to be snobbery. It's not my favourite movie, but Godfather 1 might just be the best film ever made - imho anyway. Plot, script, cast, cinematography, sets, set dressing, costume, sound, score, simple overall depth, quality and class...unbeatable.

Personally I prefer superhero movies, particularly MCU, but love them as I do, are any of them on a par with The Godfather ? No.

And The Dark Knight!s incredible. Not only is it the only Batman movie I like, it's the only Nolan movie I like too...

 

[Greg Cox]

It doesn't have to be snobbery. It's not my favourite movie, but Godfather 1 might just be the best film ever made - imho anyway. Plot, script, cast, cinematography, sets, set dressing, costume, sound, score, simple overall depth, quality and class...unbeatable.

Except maybe by Lawrence of Arabia, Casablanca, Shadow of a Doubt, Singin' in the Rain, Planet of the Apes, Kind Hearts and Coronets, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Night of the Hunter, and any number of other classic old movies.

Don't get me wrong. The Godfather is a good movie, if you like gangster movies, but it's not head and shoulders over, say, The Third Man or Smiles of a Summer Night . . ..

 

[JD]

I haven't watched it in years, but when I did I didn't get what was amazing about The Godfather. It was a really good movie, but I just didn't find think it was necessarily as great as a lot of people make it out to be.

 

[Guy Gardener]

My favourite image of Thanos is from 1982, where he's choking out Thor with his left hand, and choking out the Thing with his right hand.

Having just finished Cabin in the Woods, I was wondering who in marvel Fran Kranz would be perfect to play?

Speedball?

Quasar?

Mr Immortal?

 

[Ovation]

It doesn't have to be snobbery. It's not my favourite movie, but Godfather 1 might just be the best film ever made - imho anyway. Plot, script, cast, cinematography, sets, set dressing, costume, sound, score, simple overall depth, quality and class...unbeatable.

Except maybe by Lawrence of Arabia, Casablanca, Shadow of a Doubt, Singin' in the Rain, Planet of the Apes, Kind Hearts and Coronets, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Night of the Hunter, and any number of other classic old movies.

Don't get me wrong. The Godfather is a good movie, if you like gangster movies, but it's not head and shoulders over, say, The Third Man or Smiles of a Summer Night . . ..

+10 (where's the "like" button when it's actually useful)