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Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

Darth Maul was the PT's biggest missed opportunity. He should have survived and replaced Dooku in the other two movies. There's absolutely no reason those two couldn't have been the same character.

Absolutely not. There was no substance to him other than being a big bad brooding Sith with a doubed edged lightsaber. With Dooku (a fallen jedi) and even Grievous (a cyborg with jedi trophies) there was at least something to their character.

My point is that there is no reason why you couldn't just give Maul the same backstory as Dooku. He could have played the exact same role that Dooku played if they wanted him to.
 
I would have kept Dooku, but gotten rid of Grievous. He's the one that really paled in comparison to the other two.
 
Darth Maul was the PT's biggest missed opportunity. He should have survived and replaced Dooku in the other two movies. There's absolutely no reason those two couldn't have been the same character.

Absolutely not. There was no substance to him other than being a big bad brooding Sith with a doubed edged lightsaber. With Dooku (a fallen jedi) and even Grievous (a cyborg with jedi trophies) there was at least something to their character.

But if he was Darth Tyrannus, did Sidious recruit him right after Maul was gone? It seems like he could have had more than one follower.

According to the old Expanded Universe or at least the Darth Plagueis novel. Darth Maul was never actually a real apprentice (since Plagueis only dies after the end of TPM) and Dooku is actually his first apprentice who he recruits after he becomes Supreme Chancellor.
I don't see why they could not flesh him out more in two more movies as a villain. It isn't like his goals are any different than Grivieous. Even if Dooku stays as Sidious' main apprentice, Maul could come back in his cybernetic form, a'la Grievous, demonstrating his worth through being a general under Dooku, all the while conspiring to kill Dooku and replace him.

I am in agreement that Maul was a missed opportunity, and could have been used to much greater, and more interesting, effect, that tied the PT together.

YMMV, obviously.
 
^Interesting

It sounds like a) Leia is still alive and b) Rey isn't a Skywalker/Solo going by the description

The Empire has morphed into a junta known as The First Order, while X-Wing pilots like Oscar Isaac’s Poe Dameron now fly for a splinter group known as the Resistance. Princess Leia (Fisher) has come into possession of the lightsaber once possessed by her father, Darth Vader, and later lost by Luke (Hamill) when Vader separated him from his arm during that “join me” duel in The Empire Strikes Back.

Among the newcomers, desert scavenger Rey (Daisy Ridley) and runaway stormtrooper Finn (John Boyega) will be running for their lives, with the rolling droid BB-8 trying to keep up

Darth Maul was the PT's biggest missed opportunity. He should have survived and replaced Dooku in the other two movies. There's absolutely no reason those two couldn't have been the same character.

Absolutely not. There was no substance to him other than being a big bad brooding Sith with a doubed edged lightsaber. With Dooku (a fallen jedi) and even Grievous (a cyborg with jedi trophies) there was at least something to their character.

My point is that there is no reason why you couldn't just give Maul the same backstory as Dooku. He could have played the exact same role that Dooku played if they wanted him to.

So you are basically describing Maul as Dooku, but without Christopher Lee, but instead Ray Park and the double-edged lightsaber and the rest of the look? Doesn't sound any better.
 
Darth Maul was the PT's biggest missed opportunity. He should have survived and replaced Dooku in the other two movies. There's absolutely no reason those two couldn't have been the same character.
Absolutely not. There was no substance to him other than being a big bad brooding Sith with a doubed edged lightsaber. With Dooku (a fallen jedi) and even Grievous (a cyborg with jedi trophies) there was at least something to their character.

My point is that there is no reason why you couldn't just give Maul the same backstory as Dooku. He could have played the exact same role that Dooku played if they wanted him to.
I would have kept Dooku, but gotten rid of Grievous. He's the one that really paled in comparison to the other two.
Given how well handled Maul was in TCW, I think it would have been neat if the PT had "resurrected" him in a similar way for ROTS, and have him there in place of Grievous.

As for Dooku, I still think his storyline would have worked out better if he had been a member of the Jedi Council in TPM and resigned after the death of Qui-Gon, then vanished for a few years only to reemerge in AOTC as the leader of the Separatists.
 
Gotta hand it to Abrams here. He seems to have learned from the STID publicity. He's still being super secretive, but he's releasing information very slowly but steadily. He's building anticipation instead of just shutting people out. Smart.
 
It's probably a combination of both Abrams and Disney/Lucasfilm keeping everybody on the edges of their seats with this slow release of new information about the film. Between J.J.'s tradition of being quiet about the details of his projects and Disney's ruthlessly-enforced corporate secrecy it's a wonder we know the details we do.
 
The way they are doing it is pretty smart too. They are answering questions, and giving us information, but just enough to make you more curious instead of feeling like you know everything before the movie opens.
 
The way they are doing it is pretty smart too. They are answering questions, and giving us information, but just enough to make you more curious instead of feeling like you know everything before the movie opens.

And they're using the media smartly. They give each magazine and website an exclusive to run with. And run with it, they do. However in this world, there's no such thing as an exclusive. New pics and videos are coming out daily, little by little.
 
In addition to the interview EW has released a bunch of pics from the movie. Here are some of the more significant ones:

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A few more can be seen in the gallery here.
 
Well there's still probably a ton we don't know and may not learn at all beforehand-- like, oh I don't know, just what the heck Luke Skywalker looks like in this movie?

We may finally get a glimpse of him in the final trailer, but somehow I wouldn't be surprised if that's the one secret JJ doesn't let out at all beforehand.
 
Absolutely not. There was no substance to him other than being a big bad brooding Sith with a doubed edged lightsaber. With Dooku (a fallen jedi) and even Grievous (a cyborg with jedi trophies) there was at least something to their character.

My point is that there is no reason why you couldn't just give Maul the same backstory as Dooku. He could have played the exact same role that Dooku played if they wanted him to.
I would have kept Dooku, but gotten rid of Grievous. He's the one that really paled in comparison to the other two.
Given how well handled Maul was in TCW, I think it would have been neat if the PT had "resurrected" him in a similar way for ROTS, and have him there in place of Grievous.

As for Dooku, I still think his storyline would have worked out better if he had been a member of the Jedi Council in TPM and resigned after the death of Qui-Gon, then vanished for a few years only to reemerge in AOTC as the leader of the Separatists.

This is one of the reasons that I enjoyed the ROTS novel so much and why the film itself is such a disappointment to me. There are so many ways that they could have woven in Dooku, his falling away, and Anakn's fall, as well as the treachery of the Sith in their use of subordinates.

The novel expanded upon it, and Dooku's point of view, quite well, in my opinion. There were many facets to his character, his Jedi history and his fall that should have been a part of the larger narrative, if only in the background.

I don't think Maul and Dooku have to be joined together as they are now, but that a different character could be formed from their disparate elements to create a different character.

Or, as Skywalker pointed out, having Dooku being around for all three films, and Maul take Grievous place after his defeat.
 
Right I mean if they did a TCW version of Maul who was articulate for ROTS and maybe used Dooku for the first two movies that would have worked.
 
have you guys seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgICnbC2-_Y

He did his own take on eps 1 & 2(with ep 3 still to come out). Other than having Maul run away from confrontations like a black hat villain, I like his take on the republic vs. separatist conflict; and how he proposes to utilize the Dooku character.

I think a mesh between that, and the original script would have made for an excellent prequel trilogy... That, and ensuring George Lucas had absolutely no input in regards to dialogue.
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm actually trying to be more serious, but didn't the Emperor have a rather large group of force sensitive servants that were his special agents through out the Empire? I'd imagine they wouldn't give up on the dark side just because their leader was gone.

The Inquisitors have appeared in Rebels, and I would imagine that some of them would remain after ROTJ.

If TCW is still canon, I believe the Nightsisters still exist.

Didn't Dooku wipe them out?

Yes, he did.
 
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