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Supergirl TV Series is being work on.

Yeah, I really don't care to see heroes set in "our world". A variation of it, sure, but one where superheroes and stuff like that exist. I'm more of a fan of The Flash's way of doing things then, say, the Nolan Batman way of doing things. Give me ridiculous super science, intelligent gorillas and parallel dimensions over a "realistic" world any day. I mean, either way could work for some characters, but I think once you introduce people with super powers you've left the "real world" far behind.
 
Well I guess for me there's a difference between a more heightened comic book world and a "parallel universe", which is often shown to be an even further step removed from the first world.

I mean even in the ultra-comic booky Raimi Spider-Man movies, there was still the sense that this was supposed to be our world and our New York, and that Peter was someone we could easily identify with. I think that might have changed if it was stated at the outset that everything we were watching was set in some alternate, parallel universe (and indeed, I can't think of any superhero movie that has stated such a thing, so clearly they want us to assume this is our world we're watching, even if a more fantastical version of it).
 
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Well, a parallel world doesn't have to be that different. A parallel New York could mean that on one Earth, a bus ran on time, and in another it ran 10 minutes late. Being "parallel" doesn't mean it will be, for example, post apocalyptic or a medieval fantasy land. It just means its a different earth. The differences can be minor, or major. If Supergirl does get counted as a parallel universe, it could be just as close to our reality as Arrow, but it has a Superman while Arrow's earth doesn't. It might not have a Starling City, and Arrow's Earth might not have a National City, but they could both still be set in a near identical version of the US on Earth's that could be mostly similar, outside of some people, place names and events.
 
I don't see the need to believe it's "our" world, once they start getting into the crazier stuff you've left "our" world behind. Besides, we don't have Star/ling, Central, or National Cities in our world, so just they already left our world behind by setting the shows in those cities.

I'm kind of baffled by the CBS executives being so against a Supergirl/Flarrow crossover. The CW is (partially) owned by CBS, so it's not like they'll be crossing over with a show on a rival company's network. If The Flash and Arrow were on NBC, or ABC I could see, but that's not the case.
 
Well I guess for me there's a difference between a more heightened comic book world and a "parallel universe", which is often shown to be an even further step removed from the first world.

I don't see why. Again, we already have more than one separate DC universe on TV at the moment, and another separate one in film. There are different concurrent Marvel universes onscreen, although I guess we're now down to the MCU and the X-Men/FF/Deadpool universe as the only active ones. There's no reason to presume any kind of hierarchy where one is more "removed" from our world than the other. They're both equally removed from it.

This sort of thing has even been done before. Cartoon Network did a crossover between its two different series created by the Man of Action foursome, Ben 10 and Generator Rex. It was explicitly a crossing between two parallel worlds (something Ben was accustomed to), and even though it was done as part of Rex, with Ben as the interloper into Rex's "home" dimension, it hardly diminished the Ben 10 franchise (which is one of the biggest animation franchises in the world and outlasted Rex). There are also all the various Marvel/DC crossovers that the comics have done over the decades, or all of IDW's recent crossovers between Star Trek and every other franchise it can get its hands on. A crossover between two fictional universes has never required one to be treated as subordinate to the other.

Besides, you saw Jay Garrick's helmet in the Flash season finale, right? Parallel Earths are going to be an established part of the Berlantiverse now.


I mean even in the ultra-comic booky Raimi Spider-Man movies, there was still the sense that this was supposed to be our world and our New York, and that Peter was someone we could easily identify with. I think that might have changed if it was stated at the outset that everything we were watching was set in some alternate, parallel universe (and indeed, I can't think of any superhero movie that has stated such a thing, so clearly they want us to assume this is our world we're watching, even if a more fantastical version of it).

Except of course we all know that it isn't really our world. The fact that we're sitting in a movie theater watching its events unfold makes that clear enough. It's a given that fiction doesn't take place in reality -- that's what the word means! Every movie and TV show takes place in a conjectural alternate reality. It's never our world even when it mimics it closely.

Personally I'm sick of the pretense of fantasy fiction to take place in "our world," because it's so limiting. Science fiction is supposed to be about exploring how innovation and discovery change the world, but all these "hidden reality" series require every extraordinary phenomenon to remain a secret and have no effect on society as a whole, so the potential of science fiction as a genre is largely wasted. Shows that are free to diverge from our reality are more interesting.



I'm kind of baffled by the CBS executives being so against a Supergirl/Flarrow crossover. The CW is (partially) owned by CBS, so it's not like they'll be crossing over with a show on a rival company's network. If The Flash and Arrow were on NBC, or ABC I could see, but that's not the case.

They may have the same corporate master, but they're still distinct business entities with distinct people in charge of them, and are still competitors in a sense. CBS is a top-tier network, one of the two oldest TV networks in America (tied with NBC) and one of the most prestigious and accomplished. The CW is a much younger, upstart network with less spread and less of a reputation, and they have to share it with Warner Bros. It's understandable that CBS wouldn't want one of their shows to be overshadowed by CW shows.

Besides, they have different audiences. A lot of the CBS audience isn't going to be familiar with the CW shows, or even have access to The CW on their local TV dials. It makes sense for the show to stand on its own, then.
 
I'm kind of baffled by the CBS executives being so against a Supergirl/Flarrow crossover. The CW is (partially) owned by CBS, so it's not like they'll be crossing over with a show on a rival company's network. If The Flash and Arrow were on NBC, or ABC I could see, but that's not the case.

They're not against doing crossovers; that's just not where their focus is, so it's not currently something they're thinking about or are going to be talking about.

It's pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point - bolstered by reports from very credible sources - that crossovers CAN happen; they're just not GOING to happen quite yet.
 
May 2015.

Of CBS’ hotly anticipated “Supergirl,” “The network has said publicly at this point they’re going to keep her to themselves,” says Berlanti. “I always approach the shows as a fan first, so I would love to see (a crossover). I think in success, all things are possible. But there’s a lot that would have to happen before everybody might say yes to that.”
Sadly, "can" doesn't mean "will".
 
I'm kind of baffled by the CBS executives being so against a Supergirl/Flarrow crossover. The CW is (partially) owned by CBS, so it's not like they'll be crossing over with a show on a rival company's network. If The Flash and Arrow were on NBC, or ABC I could see, but that's not the case.

They may have the same corporate master, but they're still distinct business entities with distinct people in charge of them, and are still competitors in a sense. CBS is a top-tier network, one of the two oldest TV networks in America (tied with NBC) and one of the most prestigious and accomplished. The CW is a much younger, upstart network with less spread and less of a reputation, and they have to share it with Warner Bros. It's understandable that CBS wouldn't want one of their shows to be overshadowed by CW shows.

Besides, they have different audiences. A lot of the CBS audience isn't going to be familiar with the CW shows, or even have access to The CW on their local TV dials. It makes sense for the show to stand on its own, then.
I guess that makes sense. It sounds like I was thinking they were more connected than they were.
 
The Flash's target demographic is 40 year old Gay perverts (Gay or straight, if you're looking at people half your age, like they're lolly pops, then you're a pervert.).

Supergirl's target demographic are 20 year old semiprofessional females.

**Sigh**

I do not see how those two groups can possibly get along.
 
The Flash's target demographic is 40 year old Gay perverts (Gay or straight, if you're looking at people half your age, like they're lolly pops, then you're a pervert.).

Supergirl's target demographic are 20 year old semiprofessional females.

**Sigh**

I do not see how those two groups can possibly get along.

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Except of course we all know that it isn't really our world. The fact that we're sitting in a movie theater watching its events unfold makes that clear enough. It's a given that fiction doesn't take place in reality -- that's what the word means! Every movie and TV show takes place in a conjectural alternate reality. It's never our world even when it mimics it closely.

No shit, Sherlock? :rolleyes:
 
Except of course we all know that it isn't really our world. The fact that we're sitting in a movie theater watching its events unfold makes that clear enough. It's a given that fiction doesn't take place in reality -- that's what the word means! Every movie and TV show takes place in a conjectural alternate reality. It's never our world even when it mimics it closely.

No shit, Sherlock? :rolleyes:

You'd be surprised about the amount of people that keep insisting we use realworld logic on superhero movies.....
 
Please, even superhero movies need at least a trace of real world logic and believability. Unless you'd prefer they all be as silly and cartoonish as the 1966 Batman movie (which was fun, but not exactly one of the better superhero movies ever made).
 
Exactly, any fictional universe needs to set the physical parameters of that world. Most super-hero worlds function like our world but with the presence of super-beings whose powers do sometimes defy real world physics for the sake of the story. The viewer should assume normal real world science applies until told otherwise, and then once a "rule" is established the writers just need to be consistent.

Example, Superman can pick up a supertanker with his super strength. The super tankers structure remains intact and Superman safely carries the crew to safety. The writer cannot then say the next ship just breaks in half when Superman picks it up unless there is some other explanation.
 
Please, even superhero movies need at least a trace of real world logic and believability. Unless you'd prefer they all be as silly and cartoonish as the 1966 Batman movie (which was fun, but not exactly one of the better superhero movies ever made).

But having logic like that of the real world is a different thing from pretending that a movie or show actually takes place in our world, which is a conceit that makes no sense to me. If it actually took place in our world, then it wouldn't exist as a work of fiction in our world.
 
We don't "have" a world. We are part of a world about which most of us know a little. Does Tender Is The Night Take place on Long Island in the 1920s? How many Long Islands are there for it to take place on?
 
Please, even superhero movies need at least a trace of real world logic and believability.

Not really: no.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/grant-morrison-psychedelic-superhero-20110822

Grant Morrison's quote is pretty spot on:

Grant Morrison said:
People say kids can't understand the difference between fact and fiction, but that's bullshit. Kids understand that real crabs don't sing like the ones in The Little Mermaid. But you give an adult fiction, and the adult starts asking really f**king dumb questions like 'How does Superman fly? How do those eyebeams work? Who pumps the Batmobile's tires?' It's a f**king made-up story, you idiot! Nobody pumps the tires!"
 
Lol, I love that everyone acts like I don't actually know what "fiction" is. I just like the idea of superhero shows and movies that at least pretend to take place in some halfway recognizable version of the real world, is all (which is something most manage to do pretty well).

No need to get pedantic or condescending about it. :)
 
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