Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

[Mage]

That is all well and good, but my frustration is that parts of the franchise that I am not interested in our everywhere. I am still trying to get in to Clone Wars, but have little desire to discuss it.

Franchise fatigue, for me, is when there is all these different parts of a franchise and I don't feel engaged by it at all or pure speculation about future productions (yes, yes, I know, the Internet). For instance, when the Ep. 7 teaser (not trailer) came out, a film magazine devoted a front page story on a frame by frame analysis, based upon speculative information. Maybe I was too young to recall such attention to the PT but that felt like overreach to me.

I think franchise fatigue is a normal part of a process, as a reflection of the law of diminishing returns. I've ignored plenty of SW material over the years by virtue of no interest (looking at you Yuzon Vong) but that also has the effect of me feeling left out of the community as well.

I'm not sure I'd call that fatigue, since it's still enormously interesting for a large group. I'd say that your interests have changed, or never lay in the direction of things like The Clone Wars or Rebels. Same goes for me. I loved the movies, still do. I read a few Star Wars novels, a few comics. But that's it, the rest doesn't interest me. Mainly, because it's way to much to keep up with, and I don't feel like it. The whole EU of Star Wars isn't my cup of tea. Well, the two KOTOR games, those rocked.
But that's not franchise fatigue, that's simply because it's not my thing.

People keep blaming franchises for not being interesting enough for them. I say, if a franchise has millions of fans, it's not the frachise's fault. And really, not yours either. It's like a relationship you've been in for 18 months, and you both realise you just don't work well together.

Franchise fatigue is a term made up by disgruntled fans who didn't get what they wanted. They were looking for something but couldn't find it. And these days, we always need to blame something, so why not the franchise?

To bring Star Trek into this again.... There are so many fans here who stopped watching DS9 and VOY and ENT, because it was to much for them. To much Star Trek. They also called it franchise fatigue. Thing is, there's an equal amount of fans who got interested in Trek because of DS9, or VOY, or ENT. These fans started watching the others shows, and really got into it.
So, the show labeled by some as franchise fatigue, got others into the franchise..... Who's right here?

Both are right because entertainment is subjective.

I agree in part that it is largely a blame game, and that the fatigue rests largely with individual variation in taste. More to my point is that there is such a thing as putting too much out there in to the market and get diminishing returns as the market share increases.

I think if enough fans get fatigued by their own tastes not aligning with the current goals of the franchise than a something like franchise fatigue can happen. I don't think it means quite what everyone describes it as but there is still the general effect.

As for Star Wars I think that the franchise will do well because it markets itself to various groups. Clone Wars and Rebels for a little younger crowd, and the films to bring in a larger audience.

I just see the potential for fatigue, is all. What form it takes, will vary.

This, is a very well thought out and articulated post. Yes, the potential is there, I agree. I guess we'll what happens now.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm not sure I'd call that fatigue, since it's still enormously interesting for a large group. I'd say that your interests have changed, or never lay in the direction of things like The Clone Wars or Rebels. Same goes for me. I loved the movies, still do. I read a few Star Wars novels, a few comics. But that's it, the rest doesn't interest me. Mainly, because it's way to much to keep up with, and I don't feel like it. The whole EU of Star Wars isn't my cup of tea. Well, the two KOTOR games, those rocked.
But that's not franchise fatigue, that's simply because it's not my thing.

People keep blaming franchises for not being interesting enough for them. I say, if a franchise has millions of fans, it's not the frachise's fault. And really, not yours either. It's like a relationship you've been in for 18 months, and you both realise you just don't work well together.

Franchise fatigue is a term made up by disgruntled fans who didn't get what they wanted. They were looking for something but couldn't find it. And these days, we always need to blame something, so why not the franchise?

To bring Star Trek into this again.... There are so many fans here who stopped watching DS9 and VOY and ENT, because it was to much for them. To much Star Trek. They also called it franchise fatigue. Thing is, there's an equal amount of fans who got interested in Trek because of DS9, or VOY, or ENT. These fans started watching the others shows, and really got into it.
So, the show labeled by some as franchise fatigue, got others into the franchise..... Who's right here?

Both are right because entertainment is subjective.

I agree in part that it is largely a blame game, and that the fatigue rests largely with individual variation in taste. More to my point is that there is such a thing as putting too much out there in to the market and get diminishing returns as the market share increases.

I think if enough fans get fatigued by their own tastes not aligning with the current goals of the franchise than a something like franchise fatigue can happen. I don't think it means quite what everyone describes it as but there is still the general effect.

As for Star Wars I think that the franchise will do well because it markets itself to various groups. Clone Wars and Rebels for a little younger crowd, and the films to bring in a larger audience.

I just see the potential for fatigue, is all. What form it takes, will vary.

This, is a very well thought out and articulated post. Yes, the potential is there, I agree. I guess we'll what happens now.

Thank you

 

[wulfio]

Well Disney can count on me to empty my bank accounts for them till the end of time.

 

[kirk55555]

Yeah, they could release a new SW film every six months and I'd never get tired of it. I'm mostly immune to fatigue when it comes to franchises I love.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Yeah, they could release a new SW film every six months and I'd never get tired of it. I'm mostly immune to fatigue when it comes to franchises I love.

Yep. Franchise fatigue is not a term for fans, it's a term for everybody else to use.

 

[JD]

StarWars.com is reporting that the first six movies in the Saga are being reissued (yet again), this time in Blu-ray steelbooks featuring images of important characters on the covers.

The covers:

Episode I - Darth Maul
Episode II - Yoda
Episode III - General Grievous
Episode IV - Darth Vader
Episode V - Stormtrooper
Episode VI - Emperor Palpatine

Only one hero and five villains, but the covers look amazing. It's a shame the contents are likely just more of the same to cash in on the premiere of the new movie, but the steelbook packaging does look very cool.

The thing I find interesting is the fact that the episode numbers are nowhere to be seen on the covers, or at least the front and spine. I just find that kind of ironic, because when the prequels were coming out the numbers were almost more prominent than the actual individual titles.

 

[Tom Hendricks]

StarWars.com is reporting that the first six movies in the Saga are being reissued (yet again), this time in Blu-ray steelbooks featuring images of important characters on the covers.

The covers:

Episode I - Darth Maul
Episode II - Yoda
Episode III - General Grievous
Episode IV - Darth Vader
Episode V - Stormtrooper
Episode VI - Emperor Palpatine

Only one hero and five villains, but the covers look amazing. It's a shame the contents are likely just more of the same to cash in on the premiere of the new movie, but the steelbook packaging does look very cool.

These covers perturb me, not all but two of them. How can you only have one hero? You should have Obi-Wan instead of Grievous and Luke instead of Stormtrooper. In fact Vader should be Episode V and Luke Episode IV.

 

[wulfio]

I wonder if JJ, in keeping with his reverence for the originals, will hire artists to do hand drawn/painted movie posters. I always like those better than photoshops. I think the newest movie poster I have framed is the last crusade.

 

[BillJ]

Yeah, they could release a new SW film every six months and I'd never get tired of it. I'm mostly immune to fatigue when it comes to franchises I love.

Yep. Franchise fatigue is not a term for fans, it's a term for everybody else to use.

I was burned out on Trek by the end of Berman's run. And there are only two things that I love more in the world than Star Trek.

I wonder if JJ, in keeping with his reverence for the originals, will hire artists to do hand drawn/painted movie posters. I always like those better than photoshops. I think the newest movie poster I have framed is the last crusade.

It will be up to Disney's marketing arm. But I would love a painted poster.

 

[Corran Horn]

To Drew Struzan or to not Drew Struzan. That is the question.

 

[JD]

I hope they Drew Struzan.

 

[Mach5]

Yeah, they could release a new SW film every six months and I'd never get tired of it. I'm mostly immune to fatigue when it comes to franchises I love.

Yep. Franchise fatigue is not a term for fans, it's a term for everybody else to use.

Not so sure about that. "Franchise fatigue" was all people talked about when Enterprise got cancelled.

 

[Skywalker]

If they don't get Drew Struzan to come out of retirement to draw/paint the posters, then I'd rather they not bother at all.

 

[fireproof78]

StarWars.com is reporting that the first six movies in the Saga are being reissued (yet again), this time in Blu-ray steelbooks featuring images of important characters on the covers.

The covers:

Episode I - Darth Maul
Episode II - Yoda
Episode III - General Grievous
Episode IV - Darth Vader
Episode V - Stormtrooper
Episode VI - Emperor Palpatine

Only one hero and five villains, but the covers look amazing. It's a shame the contents are likely just more of the same to cash in on the premiere of the new movie, but the steelbook packaging does look very cool.

These covers perturb me, not all but two of them. How can you only have one hero? You should have Obi-Wan instead of Grievous and Luke instead of Stormtrooper. In fact Vader should be Episode V and Luke Episode IV.

For whatever reason, the Stormtrooper has been gracing the cover of ESB since one of the VHS releases, for whatever reason.

And, I honestly do not know why

 

[Ithekro]

Don't you see, it means that we had the villain of Episode II wrong. We thought it was Dooku or Jango, but it was really Yoda.

Of course a friend of mine would call Vader, Stormtrooper, and the Emperor the good guys. Seeing the Rebels as nothing more than pirates and terrorists against the legitimate conservative, and orderly, government.

 

[theenglish]

Yeah, they could release a new SW film every six months and I'd never get tired of it. I'm mostly immune to fatigue when it comes to franchises I love.

Yep. Franchise fatigue is not a term for fans, it's a term for everybody else to use.

I was burned out on Trek by the end of Berman's run. And there are only two things that I love more in the world than Star Trek.

I would argue that Berman was the person who got burnt out. If Trek had been handed over to a fresh face who understood the franchise when Voyager ended we might still have good Trek on television today.

 

[fireproof78]

Don't you see, it means that we had the villain of Episode II wrong. We thought it was Dooku or Jango, but it was really Yoda.

Of course a friend of mine would call Vader, Stormtrooper, and the Emperor the good guys. Seeing the Rebels as nothing more than pirates and terrorists against the legitimate conservative, and orderly, government.

I've heard similar arguments. Always interesting exercise in critical thinking, in my opinion.

Of course, that also seems to be an ambiguity that Lucas tried to introduce in the PT, with mixed success. Again, in my opinion.

 

[kirk55555]

Yep. Franchise fatigue is not a term for fans, it's a term for everybody else to use.

I was burned out on Trek by the end of Berman's run. And there are only two things that I love more in the world than Star Trek.

I would argue that Berman was the person who got burnt out. If Trek had been handed over to a fresh face who understood the franchise when Voyager ended we might still have good Trek on television today.

Yeah, I don't think Star Trek got franchise fatigue. It just needed new people in charge. Berman should have been gone before Voyager even started, or at least after a season or two when it became clear that voyager wasn't working under him. Between that and the horrible decisions about almost everything in Insurrection and Nemesis, I think it was the people in charge, not the property itself, that put Star Trek in the situation it was in.

 

[DWF]

I was burned out on Trek by the end of Berman's run. And there are only two things that I love more in the world than Star Trek.

I would argue that Berman was the person who got burnt out. If Trek had been handed over to a fresh face who understood the franchise when Voyager ended we might still have good Trek on television today.

Yeah, I don't think Star Trek got franchise fatigue. It just needed new people in charge. Berman should have been gone before Voyager even started, or at least after a season or two when it became clear that voyager wasn't working under him. Between that and the horrible decisions about almost everything in Insurrection and Nemesis, I think it was the people in charge, not the property itself, that put Star Trek in the situation it was in.

There were 21 seasons of Star Trek in some 18 years with theater movies thrown for good measure. The audience was worn down once DS9 replaced TNG. Paramount kept trying to replicate the success of TNG and kept coming up short.

Let's see what are saying after five years and a new Star Wars trilogy is announced, along with more games, possible live action tV shows, books, comic books you name it.

 

[wulfio]

If they don't get Drew Struzan to come out of retirement to draw/paint the posters, then I'd rather they not bother at all.

I'm sure they can find an artist in this world to do justice to a star wars movie poster. If they can do scores without John Williams I see no reason they can't do posters without Struzan.