Republican Candidates for 2016 Race

[urbandefault]

Regular everyday conservatives want small government, low taxes, fair immigration laws balanced with tight border security, truth in sentencing, and the list could go on for pages.

Regular conservatives want small government unless more government intrusion suits them and their social causes (marriage, abortion, etc). They also want tighter border security to magically appear from the ether because they don't want to pay for anything ever.

"Teabagger" is a derogatory and insulting term that, if reversed toward the left, would be called hate speech and cries for justice would be all over the airwaves, not to mention this BBS. But you won't see it happen. Regular everyday conservatives don't care what names they're called, and respect others enough to not throw that crap back..

1. After all the vile thrown at Obama since before he was elected, I'm calling bullshit on the "respect" angle.

2. "Teabagger" is a term coined by teabaggers before they knew what it already meant. Blame them.

3. Insulting someone else's political leanings is not "hate speech". Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly et all made "liberal" a dirty word decades ago. Liberals have learned to deal with it.

Yeah, Squiggy covered it.

I'm not buying the "boo-hoo poor conservatives" story.

Thank you for your respectful replies.

 

[Squiggy]

It happened at a consulate, not an embassy. Almost anything is "preventable" if you know about it in advance, but that's kinda the tricky part. I don't see much use in such Monday morning quarterbacking. 9/11 was "preventable," too, under the right circumstances--but that's not what happened.

To this day, I still wonder what classified documents Sandy Berger tried to remove from archives by stuffing them in his socks.

Got anything from the last decade?

 

[fonzob1]

It happened at a consulate, not an embassy. Almost anything is "preventable" if you know about it in advance, but that's kinda the tricky part. I don't see much use in such Monday morning quarterbacking. 9/11 was "preventable," too, under the right circumstances--but that's not what happened.

To this day, I still wonder what classified documents Sandy Berger tried to remove from archives by stuffing them in his socks.

Got anything from the last decade?

I didn't bring up 9/11.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

"Teabagger" is a derogatory and insulting term that, if reversed toward the left, would be called hate speech and cries for justice would be all over the airwaves...

I was outraged and was going to charge these Tea Partiers with a hate crime for their horrifyingly insensitive speech...

But I decided to give them amnety... amensty... amity? It means friendship. No, wait, that's the island in Jaws. Amnesty, yeah, that's it.

Tea Partiers were using "tea bag" as a verb and "Teabagger" as a name for themselves as early as February 27, 2009 (wow, Obama had been in office a whole month before he was already the worst President ever and turning the country into a Kenyan communist Sharia Law illegal alien gay orgy if the signs were any indication. I wonder what feature about him could be so skin deep that it could produce such a visceral reaction in just a month? Things that make you go hmmm).

http://aattp.org/the-tea-party-actually-did-call-themselves-teabagger/

http://theweek.com/articles/494697/evolution-word-tea-bagger

http://www.allthingsdemocrat.com/2014/02/tea-party-first-to-use-teabag-and-teabaggers-in-politics/

The Tea Party was calling themselves teabaggers for months before they were finally in on the joke and actively tried to either reclaim the word or scrub their use of it from existence, pretending it was something liberals made up.

... not to mention this BBS. But you won't see it happen. Regular everyday conservatives don't care what names they're called, and respect others enough to not throw that crap back.

Aren't you complaining about this six year old issue on the BBS right now? So, it is happening and you apparently do care about it, a lot, or else you wouldn't have used such hyperbolic and ridiculous terms. And aren't you sort of "throwing it back" by —in a case of entitlement and a false persecution complex the size of Jupiter— actually comparing silly jokes made at the expense of a political movement's (which is not a protected class under US law) misunderstanding of their own term to hate speech and hate crimes of the type that lead to lynchings, dragging gay teens behind cars to their death, burning crosses on lawns, shooting and bombing black churches, and throwing rocks with swastikas on them through the windows of Jewish homes?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

"Teabagger" is a derogatory and insulting term that

... that was self-inflicted. I agree with Squiggy and Locutus regarding this. Even if I disagreed with them, the facts would still be on their side.

I don't want another Bush in the White House. I don't want another Clinton in the White House. No royal families here, please. We had enough of that with the Kennedys.

So, you're comparing three terms of Presidents Bush and two terms of President Clinton with the less than one term of President Kennedy?!?

Given that JFK was assassinated during office and that RFK was assassinated while running for President, your phrasing shows a complete lack of respect. You literally go right to saying that there had been enough of the Kennedy dynasty in the White House by the time President Kennedy was assassinated short of even one whole term.

I also have to wonder whether what you said represents a false equivalence motivated by being sore over how the Bush dynasty never got after three terms the respect that Bill Clinton got after only two, or that JFK had after less than one, or for that matter that RFK had after zero.

But then again, to take what you said seriously and on face value, I'd have to assume that you didn't vote for George H. W. Bush in 1992 or for George W. Bush in either 2000 or 2004 (since by any of those points the Bush dynasty would have served longer in the White House than the Kennedy dynasty that we'd supposedly already had enough of decades before; if we are going to count lesser offices like, oh, being Vice President, then I'd have to assume that you didn't vote for George H. W. Bush in 1988, either) or for Clinton in 1996 (since by then the Clinton dynasty would have similarly served longer than the Kennedy dynasty). For some reason, I'm not buying that, although in fairness I would believe that you didn't vote for Clinton in 1996.

Regular everyday conservatives don't care what names they're called, and respect others enough to not throw that crap back.

Not seeing it. Locutus and Squiggy have it pretty well covered already. And, in reiteration, your post shows an utter lack of respect for President Kennedy, in its implication that he didn't leave office soon enough, not to mention the implication that Robert Kennedy shouldn't have even been running for President.

Oh, and also: "Regular everyday conservatives." My compliments on such a peachy phrase, evoking the regular Joe. Like Joe the Plumber? I wonder why we never hear about "regular everyday liberals?"

And that's all I have to say about that.

Okie dokie.

 

[1001001]

Teabagging.






As is often the case, Locutus said what I wanted to say, sooner and better. He also beat me to one of my favorite images, which I think deserves a look by itself:





As for "amnesty", perhaps the problem is foreigners ruining our country with their crazy languages? We should take our cues from our teabagging friends in Texas:





Anyway, back to our pals in the GOP race:

Trump is fantastic, giving voice to the ignorant, foaming-at-the-mouth racists that occupy the far right wing of the party. He's not religious enough, though, to keep going at this level. I hope he runs as a 3rd party candidate, and Nader's the hell out of Bush in the general election.

Just wait until Biden enter the race, then it's going to get really fun on both sides.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I'm not under the impression that Teabaggers are especially religious. At a minimum, they place white supremacy and libertarian ideology above any religious concerns.

But let Trump say he's bigger than Jesus, we'll see what happens!

 

[fonzob1]

Trump is fantastic, giving voice to the ignorant, foaming-at-the-mouth racists that occupy the far right wing of the party. He's not religious enough, though, to keep going at this level.

That is a good point. What are Trump's positions on abortion or gay marriage? If he is tested on social issues in the debates and fails, he could lose a lot of the support he is enjoying right now.

I'm not under the impression that Teabaggers are especially religious. At a minimum, they place white supremacy and libertarian ideology above any religious concerns.

But let Trump say he's bigger than Jesus, we'll see what happens!

I think the tea party crowd is really a mixed bag of "conservative" view points. An extreme Libertarian, for example, isn't going to be as strong on building a wall to secure the boarder. They would be more likely to support an open boarder.

 

[1001001]

I'm not under the impression that Teabaggers are especially religious. At a minimum, they place white supremacy and libertarian ideology above any religious concerns.

But let Trump say he's bigger than Jesus, we'll see what happens!

Right, I meant that I don't think he's properly religious enough to win the nomination. The whole "religious freedom to discriminate" crowd, etc. I mean, sure he's angry and mean, but where's the love of Jesus?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Yeah, this is why I want to see him get into the debates and have serious questions put to him. Should be entertaining!

 

[J.T.B.]

Regular everyday conservatives don't care what names they're called, and respect others enough to not throw that crap back.

And yet, hardly a week goes by that I don't hear some Republican officeholder using "Democrat party" in the media.

 

[Squiggy]

"Teabagger" is a derogatory and insulting term that, if reversed toward the left, would be called hate speech and cries for justice would be all over the airwaves...

I was outraged and was going to charge these Tea Partiers with a hate crime for their horrifyingly insensitive speech...

Don't even get me started about when they protested about taxation without representation in Washington, DC.

 

[Davros]

If only the GOP cared as much for the 3,000 lives lost on 9/11

It was a GOP president that began a war in response to the lives lost on 9/11. Are you suggesting he did not target the the correct culprit in Al Qaeda?

He went into Iraq rather than deal with Al Qaeda, but my real point is why didn't the GOP demand as many investigations of that far more serious attack as they have for Benghazi? Where was their outrage over the Bush and Cheney refusing to testify under oath? Their lack of concern over one compared to the other makes the political nature of this nonsense all so obvious. If they cared about truth they would not have kept up telling ties they know are untrue.

 

[fonzob1]

He went into Iraq rather than deal with Al Qaeda, but my real point is why didn't the GOP demand as many investigations of that far more serious attack as they have for Benghazi? Where was their outrage over the Bush and Cheney refusing to testify under oath? Their lack of concern over one compared to the other makes the political nature of this nonsense all so obvious. If they cared about truth they would not have kept up telling ties they know are untrue.

I think the GOP more or less saw Iraq as a justified war regardless of whether or not the weapons ended up being there, because they saw Hussein as a cancer. I think they perceive Bengazi as a failure and an embarrassment. It's the circumstances that make it significant to them. They are not measuring lives lost (even if they should). The reason why they are still pushing forward with the Bengazi investigation is because they are claiming there is more data that has not yet been released (e.g., more of Hillary's personal e-mails).

 

[auntiehill]

The few candidates who manage to get any attention away from Trump usually only manage to do so by proving what dickheads they truly are. Case in point, Mike Huckabee, although, to be fair, his dickishness (is that a word?) has hardly been much of a secret. I particularly liked John Stewart's ability to take him down, without uttering a single word:
Watch it here.

 

[urbandefault]

Re: Above posts with pics of sign carrying idiots ...

Anecdotal evidence at best. Those examples do not represent the vast majority of conservative voters. And that wasn't even the point of my post. Way to fall in line, though. Kudos.

I don't care if someone calls me or anyone else names. Sticks and stones. You can't hurt me if I don't let you. That's all insecurity on the part of the name-caller.

I don't expect anyone to believe it, but it's the truth.

 

[Timby]

Re: Above posts with pics of sign carrying idiots ...

Anecdotal evidence at best. Those examples do not represent the vast majority of conservative voters. And that wasn't even the point of my post. Way to fall in line, though. Kudos.

Your argument, as I recall, was that "teabagger" was an insulting term coined by liberals. What those photos showed was that "teabagger" is clearly used by Tea Party-leaning types. Way to move the goalposts, though. Kudos.

 

[urbandefault]

Re: Above posts with pics of sign carrying idiots ...

Anecdotal evidence at best. Those examples do not represent the vast majority of conservative voters. And that wasn't even the point of my post. Way to fall in line, though. Kudos.

Your argument, as I recall, was that "teabagger" was an insulting term coined by liberals. What those photos showed was that "teabagger" is clearly used by Tea Party-leaning types. Way to move the goalposts, though. Kudos.

You remember incorrectly.

"Teabagger" is a derogatory and insulting term that, if reversed toward the left, would be called hate speech and cries for justice would be all over the airwaves, not to mention this BBS. But you won't see it happen. Regular everyday conservatives don't care what names they're called, and respect others enough to not throw that crap back.

But thanks for chiming in. Kudos. :P

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: Above posts with pics of sign carrying idiots ...

Anecdotal evidence at best. Those examples do not represent the vast majority of conservative voters. And that wasn't even the point of my post. Way to fall in line, though. Kudos.

Your argument, as I recall, was that "teabagger" was an insulting term coined by liberals. What those photos showed was that "teabagger" is clearly used by Tea Party-leaning types. Way to move the goalposts, though. Kudos.

You remember incorrectly.

"Teabagger" is a derogatory and insulting term that, if reversed toward the left, would be called hate speech and cries for justice would be all over the airwaves, not to mention this BBS. But you won't see it happen. Regular everyday conservatives don't care what names they're called, and respect others enough to not throw that crap back.

But thanks for chiming in. Kudos. :P

How can their own term for themselves be "derogatory and insulting"?

 

[Sector 7]

"Teabagger" is a derogatory and insulting term that, if reversed toward the left, would be called hate speech and cries for justice would be all over the airwaves, not to mention this BBS. But you won't see it happen. Regular everyday conservatives don't care what names they're called, and respect others enough to not throw that crap back.

Oh, you mean terms like "commies" or the "Birther" movement who call the President of the United States names I can't mention on here.

Re:"teabagger" - my aunt gave me many hours of laughter by calling herself a teabagger, because I knew what the term really meant! She was one of the original Tea Party supporters.