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Jurassic World - Discussion and Grading

Grade: Jurassic World

  • A+

    Votes: 8 6.6%
  • A

    Votes: 28 23.0%
  • A-

    Votes: 17 13.9%
  • B+

    Votes: 27 22.1%
  • B

    Votes: 17 13.9%
  • B-

    Votes: 6 4.9%
  • C+

    Votes: 9 7.4%
  • C

    Votes: 5 4.1%
  • C-

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • D+

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 2 1.6%

  • Total voters
    122
  • Poll closed .
Jurassic Park had a certain level of fear and dread to it that I find actually interesting (and I rarely do).

Steven Spielberg is a very underrated filmmaker. He's so legendary in the business that "underrated" isn't a word often associated with him. But I think we often forget his masterful ability to develop tension within an action sequence. Just look at something like the T-Rex paddock sequence or the raptors in the kitchen sequence. The scenes are driven less by what happens than by the fear of what might happen. His dino sequences are often dark, rainy, & moody. This is why The Lost World is my favorite of the sequels. Despite the silliness at the end, the rest of the film still has that fantastic Spielberg craftsmanship.

I love the fact that people totally accept the dino's, but complain about things like gyroballs........

It's often said about sci-fi that the trick is to only get the audience to accept one impossible thing. You can develop lots of secondary impossible things off of that one original thing but it all has to be connected. In a sci-fi context, I accept the movie's initial premise that dinosaurs could be brought back from extinction through cloning. I accept that they would be the central attraction of a multi-million-dollar amusement park. And while I accept the gyroballs on a technological level, I don't accept the idea that the park would allow the guests to drive them amidst large dinosaurs unsupervised. I'm fine with unrealistic technology but I still expect a higher level of realistic human behavior.
 

No. I'm happy with the explanation for the featherless Dinosaurs the movie gave up.
No sense of humour, hmm? Can't imagine the scene of some dude lauging at the feathered dino...until it starts ripping him to shreds.

Meh. Sounds too much like the Nedry-death-scene.
 
No. I'm happy with the explanation for the featherless Dinosaurs the movie gave up.
No sense of humour, hmm? Can't imagine the scene of some dude lauging at the feathered dino...until it starts ripping him to shreds.

Meh. Sounds too much like the Nedry-death-scene.

Which wasn't funny, it wasn't funny at all. The dinosaur was being too creepy telegraphing the bad things it was going to do to be funny.
 
I think the opportunity exists to show the dinosaurs in both their more traditional reptilian featherless form (retconned in JW to be a result of InGen's genetic manipulation) on the more developed Isla Nublar/Jurassic Park/Jurassic World site, and in their more modern scientific interpretation covered in feathers on the nature preserve of Isla Sorna/Site-B, where the dinosaurs have had several generations of natural breeding to possibly start weeding out some of the changes InGen made. We already saw raptors developing feathered ridges on Isla Sorna in JP3, and the dinosaurs have been shown to be able to overcome their genetic alterations rather quickly in some cases like adapting to a single sex environment and overcoming the lysine contingency by feeding on local plants.

I think it would be interesting to alternate back and forth between Isla Nublar representing the genetic manipulations of InGen (if they can worm their way out of this latest crisis again) and Isla Sorna representing the cutting edge of actual paleontological research about what dinosaurs looked and behaved like.
 
I think the opportunity exists to show the dinosaurs in both their more traditional reptilian featherless form (retconned in JW to be a result of InGen's genetic manipulation) on the more developed Isla Nublar/Jurassic Park/Jurassic World site, and in their more modern scientific interpretation covered in feathers on the nature preserve of Isla Sorna/Site-B, where the dinosaurs have had several generations of natural breeding to possibly start weeding out some of the changes InGen made. We already saw raptors developing feathered ridges on Isla Sorna in JP3, and the dinosaurs have been shown to be able to overcome their genetic alterations rather quickly in some cases like adapting to a single sex environment and overcoming the lysine contingency by feeding on local plants.

I think it would be interesting to alternate back and forth between Isla Nublar representing the genetic manipulations of InGen (if they can worm their way out of this latest crisis again) and Isla Sorna representing the cutting edge of actual paleontological research about what dinosaurs looked and behaved like.

If we take the "Jurassic World" site as "canon" it would seem it's up and running again.

LINK

For a while it listed the park as indefinite closed, during the time the crisis supposedly occurred and the clean-up took place.
 
^ The InGen board of directors must be a wondrous mix of amazing, heartless, and incompetent people.

Nick Naylor - Thank You for Smoking - VP of Public Relations
Don Draper - Mad Men - VP of Advertising
Denny Crane & Alan Shore - Boston Legal - Legal Team
Jerry Gergich & Andy Dwyer/Owen Grady (his Navy persona, ala' Burt Macklin, FBI) - Parks & Recreation - Heads of Park Operations & Animal Training
Gordon Gecko - Wall Street - CEO
Cruella de Vil - 101 Dalmatians - VP of Asset Management & Human Resources
Walter White - Breaking Bad - Chief Science and Ethics Adviser
 
All I get when I go on there is a message about Dino sized technical issues, and it won't let me close it.
 
All I get when I go on there is a message about Dino sized technical issues, and it won't let me close it.

It disappears after a few seconds for me.... And there's an X in the upper right corner aswell. Atleast, there is for me.
 
One thing I always wondered about the original film: How did Alan Grant know so much about dinosaur behavior? How did he know that a T-Rex can't see you if you don't move? (And if the T-Rex has such a great sense of smell, as we were told in The Lost World, why is it so dependent on vision to catch its prey?) How did he know that raptors are not only pack hunters but that they specifically try to distract you with the raptor in front of you while another raptor comes in from the side and kills you?
 
One thing I always wondered about the original film: How did Alan Grant know so much about dinosaur behavior? How did he know that a T-Rex can't see you if you don't move? (And if the T-Rex has such a great sense of smell, as we were told in The Lost World, why is it so dependent on vision to catch its prey?) How did he know that raptors are not only pack hunters but that they specifically try to distract you with the raptor in front of you while another raptor comes in from the side and kills you?

There's a lot of stuff scientists can tell from bone/fossil collection. It's likely Grant followed the similarities he saw between the dinosaur skeletons and modern-day bird skeletons and extrapolated from there on dinosaur behavior. Which is more-or-less how scientists today do it.

There's also other ways to tell, I suspect, including whether or not you find similar dinosaurs grouped together in a "grave site" or a lone skeleton. The grouped ones suggesting they traveled, and then likely worked together, in packs.

On the vision thing that's a heck of a lot tougher since there'd pretty much no way to know this. Again, maybe extrapolating from similar animals, judging what the size of the T-Rex's brain likely would have been and where it's eyes were located. But all of this contrasts with present-day extrapolations saying that the position of the T-Rex's eyes likely gave it binocular vision.

The concept that it couldn't see you if you didn't move, in the novel, also was an added "feature" InGen gave the T-Rex in order to make it slightly safer to keep in the park. (IIRC this was the case.)

But there's little reason for this to make sense and obviously the T-Rex would be able to *see* things that couldn't move (that's be a pretty shitty way for eyes to evolve and would make navigating the world pretty damn hard) it'd probably be more accurate to say it wouldn't regard things if it didn't move or needed them to move in some circumstances in order to see them around it's mouth/beak. So "don't move" was less "he won't see us" and more "it'll be harder for him to see us and less a chance for him to regard us as a source of food."

Obviously at one point the T-Rex knew there was a source of food in the Explorer which is why he yelled at it and attacked it. Lex and Tim didn't have to move after a certain point to be "seen" because the cat was already out of the bag.

When the the Rex noses at Grant and Lex it probably couldn't see well around its own beak and the dampness obscured its ability to smell. It *knew* something was there it couldn't see it, so it moved the car and pawed at things to make something happen.

We see similar things happen in TLW where the Rexes move and attack things based on knowledge they have, not because things are moving.

But there are ways for present-days scientists to extrapolate how extinct creatures likely lived and behaved by studying their remains and living creatures.

One thing I thought was odd was that Grant tries to support his arguments for dinosaurs being birds by saying the word "Raptor" means "bird of prey." Which.... That's not by any choice or evolution on the dinosaur's part, is it? It's just what people opted to name it at some point regardless of what the word meant. How is what the thing is called proof of anything?!
 
<<The concept that it couldn't see you if you didn't move, in the novel, also was an added "feature" InGen gave the T-Rex in order to make it slightly safer to keep in the park. (IIRC this was the case.)>>

I just read the novel last month. They didn't know that the T-Rex only saw through movement until the attack in the book and Grant figured it out. Then afterwards he theorizes that's it because of the extra genetic material they used from modern animals to fill in the blanks.
 
Loved it; B+, nits and plot weirdness and all.

And while the action was of course tons of fun, I enjoyed the glimpses of the park working well almost as much; the petting zoo in particular was awesome. I know I don't speak for the common moviegoer here, but I'd definitely pay full price for a well-made Before Sunrise-style flick in which two strangers meet and fall in love over the course of a peaceful, normal weekend at the Park, giving us even more leisurely tours of the attractions as they banter along. Maybe towards the end such a movie could replay the JW disaster from their perspective, as in they survive the pterodactyl attack and then have to face fear and boredom in the overcrowded shelter with everyone else, but without keeping them in the thick of the action unnecessarily.

Because otherwise, I too don't really see where further sequels can go from here. Staying on Isla Nublar or Sorna would be too repetitive, but take dinos off the island and modern weaponry would make short work of them all. JW succeeds due to several great ideas - the Park is open and functional, hybrid dinos, and sheer nostalgia - but those factors really only work once.

'Course, Conan Arthur Doyle's The Lost World novel could definitely use another go... :cool:
 
One thing I thought was odd was that Grant tries to support his arguments for dinosaurs being birds by saying the word "Raptor" means "bird of prey." Which.... That's not by any choice or evolution on the dinosaur's part, is it? It's just what people opted to name it at some point regardless of what the word meant. How is what the thing is called proof of anything?!

Yeah, that was the one thing from the original movie that always struck me as totally bizarre. I'd love to know from the person who wrote that line what the heck they thought they were saying...
 
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