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Psychic Abilities For Humans?

Computers, maybe. Radio? Of course not. That's the simple part. I think my smartphone is amazing, but what's amazing is the processing power and software that lets it do so much. The way it communicates with other devices, though, is just two-way radio. In that sense, it's no more than a fancy walkie-talkie. That particular aspect of the device would've been perfectly understandable to 1940s audiences, let alone 1960s.

While I didn't realize they even had a rudementary wifi network in 1968, most people wouldn't know about it. And I believe Captain Kirk's communicator was very impressive at the time. There are many things that are mundane now that were very new and remarkable not long ago, and getting back to the mental powers, not understood in any way.

I suppose, any tech advances aside, Triumphant and some others might expect there to be at least some people with these "abilities" and that they wouldn't just develop withing the next 2 and a half centuries, where as hardware could be.
I can understand that argument.
It's not like they all teleport like Nightcrawler with a cloud of smoke and say, "humans just do that now!" But somehow, maybe they can create a device like the transporter, possibly. There is a difference.
 
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While I didn't realize they even had a rudementary network in 1968, most people wouldn't know about it.

Yes, but they knew what radio was, because they'd grown up listening to the radio every day of their lives. They understood the concept of one machine receiving communication signals from another. Hell, the fact that they were watching the show on television should tell you that. They would not have found it "magical" that two computers could communicate, would not have found it a miracle beyond their comprehension.That's an enormous overstatement. They would've found it advanced, yes, but an advance on a principle they already understood well.
 
Wow. I've read all of the posts on this thread twice now, and I have to say that this is one of the most interesting psi-related discussions I've ever seen. I thank all of you for that, and I very much appreciate the opportunity to contribute some thoughts and questions of my own:

  1. I'm inclined to think that certain psychic phenomena are indeed electromagnetic in nature. If (other) animals can read electromagnetic fields, what's stopping human beings from learning how to do so over the course of many generations? Is it possible that seeing or otherwise sensing auras in other humans is the first step toward acquiring this sense as a species?
  2. The question has been raised as to how humans would be able to distinguish between EM impulses generated in the brain versus those associated with nonsentient sources such as electrical wiring. I'd argue that humans would learn to self-select for those impulses that are peculiar to human brain chemistry--up to and including the actions of pheromones--just as the human brain self-selects what images can safely be ignored by the eyes.
  3. At what point are multiple instances of intuiting another person's emotions correctly without prior verbal communication considered to be expressions of empathic ability? In short, when does reading people constitute a psychic phenomenon rather than a quotidian hit-or-miss determination?
  4. The assertion has repeatedly been made that for psychic powers to be considered believable in science fiction, they need to have limits--and that these limits are not made apparent in Trek. I disagree with the latter statement. In TOS at least, the limits are there. They're physical, and they're specific to each person or other being. Spock having to meditate before performing his first meld, Spock reeling into Kirk's arms after being overwhelmed by the Horta's pain, Spock having to be roused by Kirk after melding too deeply with Nomad--all of these examples demonstrate that psychic abilities are limited by the physical stamina of the person or being that possesses them, quite aside from his or her baseline sensory processing capacity.
  5. The distrust of psychic powers by the scientific community--and by extension, quite a few sci-fi readers--seems to stem from the fact that these powers aren't reproducible in controlled conditions as per the scientific method. However, if we allow the assumption that psychic powers are limited by an individual's stamina and processing ability, we also have to assume that psychic powers won't manifest themselves uniformly across an entire race or species. There would indeed be a bell curve, and at present it only serves to confound the scientists performing their examinations--and frustration has a way of producing hostility, which in turn sets up a bias that can compromise the integrity of an experiment.
I hope I've helped to synthesize and clarify the points raised in this thread, and I know I've rambled on long enough. What are your thoughts?
 
Well, I shall attempt to respond to your points, to which I fully enjo0yed. I had not caught that connection between animals, psychic abilities, and electromagnetic fields. But I have heard that ley lines are part of or affect electromagnetic fields.

so here is one article I've come across that states that animals loaded with a protein called cryptochrome, which is sensitive to the Earth’s magnetic fields. Humans, for example, have two cryptochromes – CRY1 and CRY2 – which help to control our body clocks.

And one researcher, one Lauren Foley from the University of Massachusetts Medical School has found that CRY2 can double as a magnetic sensor.

here is the article:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/n...-but-can-we-see-magnetic-fields/#.VaJY4rXfQoM

With number 2, I don't really have any kind of knowledge of that. What I do know know is that many police do have a heightened sense of awareness of their surroundings and of people, and they call them hunches. Perhaps this is how their hunches work.

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Some of it is simply reading human expression. there is also something relatively new called micro expressions. Micro expressions are very brief facial expressions, lasting only a fraction of a second. They occur when a person either deliberately or unconsciously conceals a feeling. Seven emotions have universal signals: anger, fear, sadness, disgust, contempt, surprise and happiness. You can learn to spot them.

Some people are really good at picking up on those expressions. Others are not.

http://www.paulekman.com/micro-expressions/

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These kinds of limits don't really exist in real life though.

Although if you want more information on what psychics actually do, i suggest you look into cold reading.

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The distrust comes more from scams and dishonest people. there are a lot of those. IF you would like a lot more information, you could visit the James Randi Educational Foundation and check out their one million dollar challenge:

http://web.randi.org/the-million-dollar-challenge.html

I've long been interested in psychic powers myself, but I am extremely skeptical of them. I am not entirely closed to the possibility, but i do know a fair amount of scams and dishonest tricks they use in real life.
 
I'm inclined to think that certain psychic phenomena are indeed electromagnetic in nature. If (other) animals can read electromagnetic fields, what's stopping human beings from learning how to do so over the course of many generations?

What's stopping them is that evolution is not Lamarckian. You can't "learn" to develop an entirely new sense. One might evolve eventually if there were a survival incentive, but only if the potential for it already existed in the genome. Evolution is not an intelligent process that responds specifically to new needs; it's just a selection of randomly occurring traits that happen to improve survival odds. So any new ability is usually a refinement of something that was already there. For instance, feathers probably evolved for insulation or display before they started to be adapted for flight. So first humans would have to develop an electromagnetic sense in general, and then it might become specialized for some other purpose.

Of course, since we're talking about humans, there's another option besides natural evolution, which is genetic engineering or cyborg modification. But if we can just implant radios in our brains and communicate that way, it kind of eliminates the need to develop telepathy.


Is it possible that seeing or otherwise sensing auras in other humans is the first step toward acquiring this sense as a species?

No, because "auras" are a myth. There's no scientific evidence for any such thing, and perceptions of them are probably the result of vision problems, synesthesia, or hallucinations. The Kirlian photography technique that's alleged to detect auras is nothing of the sort; the light patterns it generates are created by the high-voltage electricity that the technique imparts to its photographic subjects.


The question has been raised as to how humans would be able to distinguish between EM impulses generated in the brain versus those associated with nonsentient sources such as electrical wiring. I'd argue that humans would learn to self-select for those impulses that are peculiar to human brain chemistry--up to and including the actions of pheromones--just as the human brain self-selects what images can safely be ignored by the eyes.

It's not a question of selection, it's one of detection. The EM output given off by the brain is far too faint to read from a distance without an enormous antenna, something far bigger than a human body. And it would be drowned out by all the other EM noise. Sure, your eyes can select images up to a point, but you can't select to see the light of a distant firefly against the face of the Sun. It's just too completely drowned out by the surrounding input.


At what point are multiple instances of intuiting another person's emotions correctly without prior verbal communication considered to be expressions of empathic ability? In short, when does reading people constitute a psychic phenomenon rather than a quotidian hit-or-miss determination?

When such a phenomenon can be demonstrated by a repeatable experimental process, and when alternative explanations for it can be conclusively ruled out.

Which is hardly the case in your example. Empathy is real, but there's nothing psychic about it. It's simply a matter of observing others' nonverbal communication (expressions, tone of voice, body language) and identifying it with one's own emotions. We have things called mirror neurons that give us the ability to experience the perceived actions and reactions of other people as if they were our own. That's empathy -- simply the ability to relate to others' feelings and share in them. The term has been co-opted by science fiction as a term for the telepathic detection of emotion, but that's not its real meaning. The ability to intuit others' emotional states is already a natural function of most human minds (aside from those on the autistic spectrum).

And, as I've probably mentioned, animals can sense emotions in other, perfectly natural ways, including a keen sense of smell letting them detect people's hormonal shifts, or perhaps an ability to see changes in body heat in infrared.


The assertion has repeatedly been made that for psychic powers to be considered believable in science fiction, they need to have limits--and that these limits are not made apparent in Trek. I disagree with the latter statement. In TOS at least, the limits are there. They're physical, and they're specific to each person or other being. Spock having to meditate before performing his first meld, Spock reeling into Kirk's arms after being overwhelmed by the Horta's pain, Spock having to be roused by Kirk after melding too deeply with Nomad--all of these examples demonstrate that psychic abilities are limited by the physical stamina of the person or being that possesses them, quite aside from his or her baseline sensory processing capacity.

That's not the point. The point is that too many SF writers use psi powers as an excuse to ignore laws of physics and common sense, to cheat and enable characters to do the impossible without explanation. They have psychics do things that are physically absurd, like draw mass and energy out of nothingness or transform a cruise ship into a bunny rabbit, and the only explanation given for how that's possible is "It's psionics." Which isn't an explanation at all, it's a copout.


The distrust of psychic powers by the scientific community--and by extension, quite a few sci-fi readers--seems to stem from the fact that these powers aren't reproducible in controlled conditions as per the scientific method. However, if we allow the assumption that psychic powers are limited by an individual's stamina and processing ability, we also have to assume that psychic powers won't manifest themselves uniformly across an entire race or species. There would indeed be a bell curve, and at present it only serves to confound the scientists performing their examinations--and frustration has a way of producing hostility, which in turn sets up a bias that can compromise the integrity of an experiment.

Nonsense. Good experimental design would certainly take individual variation into account, and would test a large enough sample of subjects to cancel out any such accidental bias. Come on, that's one of the most basic principles of statistical sampling. Anyone who knows anything about the experimental method would know how to select a statistically representative sample of the entire populace. The scientific method is specifically designed to identify and weed out sources of bias, including the personal prejudices of a given experimenter. That's why it demands repeatable experiments conducted by multiple independent experimenters.

What you're forgetting is that many scientists in the past actually thought they were finding meaningful evidence of psychic powers, rather than being frustrated by failing to find them. But then it turned out that either their experimental design was bad or they had been the victims of deliberate fraud. This is what's so great about science: it's self-policing. Scientists constantly try to prove themselves and each other wrong. That way, errors and biases and flawed experiments can be weeded out and we can come closer to understanding reality. If something real were there at all, science would eventually draw closer to it as it weeded out the bad results. Instead, science has moved away from its previous findings that seemed to suggest the possible existence of psi powers, because those were the bad results, usually as a consequence of deliberate fraud or wishful thinking.



But I have heard that ley lines are part of or affect electromagnetic fields.

Ley lines are another myth. The term was coined merely to describe ancient tracks in the British landscape, and then was co-opted in 1969 by pseudoscience. It's one of those bits of "ancient lore" that are less than 50 years old. If there were actually any real phenomenon there connected to the Earth's magnetic field and detectable by humans, you'd think people would've noticed it sooner.


What I do know know is that many police do have a heightened sense of awareness of their surroundings and of people, and they call them hunches. Perhaps this is how their hunches work.

Hunches are the result of pattern recognition and cognitive processing going on below the conscious level. What we perceive of our own thoughts is just one layer of what's actually going on in our brains -- indeed, there's a theory that the conscious mind is a brain's simulation of itself, a model that it uses to direct its attention and activity. The processing that generates that model goes on outside of our conscious awareness, therefore. And our brains can perceive and analyze things outside our conscious awareness and then insert those realizations into the model, making us aware of them without necessarily knowing where they come from.


Seven emotions have universal signals: anger, fear, sadness, disgust, contempt, surprise and happiness. You can learn to spot them.

Yeah, they look like this.



Although if you want more information on what psychics actually do, i suggest you look into cold reading.

Yup. Basically the same thing Sherlock Holmes did, except he was honest about it.


The distrust comes more from scams and dishonest people. there are a lot of those.

But it's important to note that distrust is not a bad thing in science. The scientific method is about distrusting everything, especially your own beliefs and desires and perceptions. That's why everything has to be tested and double-checked and put through a gauntlet of attempts to disprove it. You don't take anything on faith, because faith can be wrong.


I've long been interested in psychic powers myself, but I am extremely skeptical of them. I am not entirely closed to the possibility, but i do know a fair amount of scams and dishonest tricks they use in real life.

I used to be willing to believe in anything, and I'm always open to learning new things. But my problem with the idea of psychic abilities is that nobody's ever been able to satisfactorily define what they are. Sure, we know what they're alleged to do, but nobody's ever offered a model of what they are physically, how they do what they do. It's just a bunch of descriptive labels and assertions. Description isn't enough. There needs to be an explanation.

Like with dark matter. "Dark matter" isn't a meaningful term, just a placeholder for "some sort of stuff we can't see." But it didn't stay there. Physicists came up with a variety of models for what dark matter might actually be -- axions, weakly interacting massive particles (WIMPS), massive compact halo objects (MACHOS), even a deficiency in our understanding of gravity that made us think there was dark matter when there actually wasn't. Various specific explanations that had measurable, testable properties and thus could potentially be ruled out or verified. But nobody's ever come up with an explanation for psychic powers beyond "psychic powers." There are no testable models for what the nature and mechanism of those powers might be. And, of course, there's no plausible evidence that they exist at all.

And then there's the evolutionary argument. If these powers did exist, they'd give any organism that had them an enormous survival advantage. Therefore, they wouldn't be hidden away in some tiny segment of the population. They'd be strongly selected for by evolution, and by now probably everyone would have them. Not to mention that they'd probably exist in other species as well. Sure, there's the counterproposition that maybe this is something entirely new that humans are just beginning to evolve, but the odds that we'd just happen to be alive at the time when such a novelty was coming into existence are vanishingly low. (Plus there are the other objections already cited: How would it work? And what pre-existing biology would it be a modification of? New traits don't just come out of thin air.)

Whereas the odds that humans might believe in something that doesn't really exist are enormously higher. We've always believed in magic and mystical powers. Every supernatural belief that people hold today has an analog in ancient lore about sorcerors and demons. There's no reason to think there's anything more to it than old superstitions with new labels stuck on them to make them sound more scientific.
 
I'm inclined to think that certain psychic phenomena are indeed electromagnetic in nature. If (other) animals can read electromagnetic fields, what's stopping human beings from learning how to do so over the course of many generations?

What's stopping them is that evolution is not Lamarckian. You can't "learn" to develop an entirely new sense.

I wish to address this point.

Blind people are being trained in echolocation, the same sense that some animals, like Dolphins have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_echolocation

And by the way...

WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE A SLAVE AND HAVE TO USE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS AND CAN;T USE ANYTHING ELSE TO WRITE SCIENCE FICTION?

You know that if we were locked into obey reality and those laws, then there would be a lot less science fiction and Star Trek would be very very different and probably even less popular that it is.
 
Starborn Dragon wrote:

so here is one article I've come across that states that animals loaded with a protein called cryptochrome, which is sensitive to the Earth’s magnetic fields. Humans, for example, have two cryptochromes – CRY1 and CRY2 – which help to control our body clocks.

And one researcher, one Lauren Foley from the University of Massachusetts Medical School has found that CRY2 can double as a magnetic sensor.
This seems to be in line with one of Christopher's arguments re: evolution:

Evolution is not an intelligent process that responds specifically to new needs; it's just a selection of randomly occurring traits that happen to improve survival odds. So any new ability is usually a refinement of something that was already there. For instance, feathers probably evolved for insulation or display before they started to be adapted for flight. So first humans would have to develop an electromagnetic sense in general, and then it might become specialized for some other purpose.
The article cites cryptochrome as having two uses: controlling body clocks and functioning as a magnetic sensor. We know that the first use is important for human survival; excessive sleep deprivation is known to cause psychosis and death. As regards the second use, the posited role of cryptochrome as a magnetic sensor in humans, we're a long way from knowing whether that's true, because the results from the study cited in the article have not been replicated by other researchers. However, that isn't to say that those results can never be reproduced in the future.

Because we don't know what we don't know.

And that is the chief problem I have with relying solely on the scientific method to establish conclusive proof that psychic phenomena exist. I am not arguing that the scientific method is baseless--far from it. And I'll gladly accept your contention, Christopher, that the scientific method is constructed to minimize the risk of bias. All well and good. But even the scientific method can accomplish only so much.

Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that all of the fraudsters, charlatans, and suspect methods for fabricating claims of psychic activity have been exposed as such, à la Uri Geller and Kirlian photography. Let us also dismiss the fantastical claims of being able to levitate inanimate objects--or even more improbably, of being able to transmute them. Where does that leave everyone else who reports having experienced psychic phenomena?

In a gray area, that's where. In an area where satisfying the requirements of the scientific method is currently impossible. Let's take auras, for example:

There's no scientific evidence for any such thing, and perceptions of them are probably the result of vision problems, synesthesia, or hallucinations.
There is a very good reason that experimenters cannot substantiate the existence of auras: There is at present no way to track every image that the human mind processes. The structure and activity of the brain can be recorded through medical imaging, but a lifetime of sensory input cannot be.

Yet. That we know of.

No doubt people laughed at da Vinci for drawing sketches of helicopters a few centuries ago. But their use has become routine.

It's not a question of selection, it's one of detection. The EM output given off by the brain is far too faint to read from a distance without an enormous antenna, something far bigger than a human body. And it would be drowned out by all the other EM noise. Sure, your eyes can select images up to a point, but you can't select to see the light of a distant firefly against the face of the Sun. It's just too completely drowned out by the surrounding input.
I'm not suggesting that humans are or will be capable of reading EM fields from a great distance. I am suggesting that some people may be able to detect them at close range over the course of time--and that such an ability would add to an essential survival skill that most humans possess. And I'm suggesting that the ability to read auras, though rare and much stigmatized, may be the first step in the process.

The point is that too many SF writers use psi powers as an excuse to ignore laws of physics and common sense, to cheat and enable characters to do the impossible without explanation. They have psychics do things that are physically absurd, like draw mass and energy out of nothingness or transform a cruise ship into a bunny rabbit, and the only explanation given for how that's possible is "It's psionics." Which isn't an explanation at all, it's a copout.
Fair enough. But flaws in writing about a concept don't necessarily reflect flaws in the concept itself.

Hunches are the result of pattern recognition and cognitive processing going on below the conscious level. What we perceive of our own thoughts is just one layer of what's actually going on in our brains -- indeed, there's a theory that the conscious mind is a brain's simulation of itself, a model that it uses to direct its attention and activity. The processing that generates that model goes on outside of our conscious awareness, therefore. And our brains can perceive and analyze things outside our conscious awareness [emphasis mine] and then insert those realizations into the model, making us aware of them without necessarily knowing where they come from.
Yes, and who's to say that the experience of auras or clairvoyance or the like isn't intertwined with, or doesn't complement, such a process in the first place? It's difficult to claim that two things are entirely separate if you don't know how both of them work, and the fact that so much remains mysterious about the human brain doesn't do much to clarify matters.
 
Personally, I rank the second pilot among the best of TOS. :shrug:

It ranks in my personal top 10 of all of Star Trek.

The second pilot has a cool, tense atmosphere but it stumbles by making Gary too powerful. TOS too often places awesomely powerful psychic plot devices in its stories. I enjoy the more nebulous psychic abilities of Miranda Jones.

The first pilot has a more interesting take on psychic hallucinations. They are not supremely powerful, just using a basic ability very effectively. It's a very intelligent piece of sci fi in general and in many ways, while it is rough around the edges, it has dated less than much of TOS. I'd rank it in my top 20 sci fi movies.

Pike is no meat-head. He's thoughtful and measured in his use of force, and wrestles with doubts about his command. You certainly feel there is a lot going on beneath the surface. He approaches the question of the illusions with a degree of scientific method that's quite refreshing.

Vina is no mere damsel in distress. She's shown to be quite an active protagonist who has just been worn down by doubting everything she sees and feels and she outshines many of the female characters in TOS and much of TNG.

When you look at the way most of the women in TOS are very passive or are slaves to their emotions, it's Number One that forces the Talosians' hand at the end on her own initiative.
 
The first pilot has a more interesting take on psychic hallucinations. They are not supremely powerful, just using a basic ability very effectively.

But they really were supremely powerful. The Enterprise landing party sheared off the top of a rock face and they simply weren't able to see it.

NUMBER ONE: Disengage. The top of that knoll should have been sheared off the first second.
BOYCE: Maybe it was. It's what I tried to explain in the briefing room. Their power of illusion is so great, we can't be sure of anything we do, anything we see.

Mitchell could control the physical, the Talosians were able to control what the mind saw, across light-years. They didn't need to overwhelm an opponent.
 
There is a very good reason that experimenters cannot substantiate the existence of auras: There is at present no way to track every image that the human mind processes. The structure and activity of the brain can be recorded through medical imaging, but a lifetime of sensory input cannot be.

Yet. That we know of.

Of course, it's also possible that experimenters can't substantiate the existence of auras because auras don't exist.


No doubt people laughed at da Vinci for drawing sketches of helicopters a few centuries ago. But their use has become routine.

I question whether one can call the use of Leonardo da Vinci-style air-screw helicopters may be called 'routine'. I would characterize them more as a 'barely practicable novelty'.
 
In my opinion Betazods are an idea with worse execution than, say Vulcans and Medusans, because, as I said before their species-wide, constant, extremely powerful telepathy seems to leave no mark on their physiology, psychology or society. Why do they still have a spoken language for one?
You are a creative person, so I am sure it is easy for you to imagine how alien a mindset and culture that is in constant telepathic rapport with everything around it should be.
One of the only snippets in that direction we get is Betazoids not liking large animals out of fear of getting lost in the animal's more primitive mind.

You're overlooking a couple of things that are different about Betazoid society because of their telepathy:

1) Cultural predisposition against lying. Kind'a pointless when everyone knows you're lying.

2) Different concept about nudity. Betazoid weddings are conducted in the nude "to symbolize the act of love being celebrated". Obviously Betazoids are very comfortable with their bodies and don't particularly place emphasis on "body image" concepts. This is immanently logical for a species that is routinely in far more intimate contact with others than any simple sexual union.

On the general question of how telepathy could operate:

I haven't yet heard anyone mention the fact that human brains are in fact sensitive to electromagnetic fields. This is fairly well documented in occurrence, even if the exact mechanism is not yet understood. Thus telepathy at least is easily explained as being a product of the brain of the telepath possessing the organizational structure to be able to consciously perceive the electromagnetic field of other brains as ordered information.

*EDIT* I see it has come up.

Christopher, the fact that EMF can induce both audio and visual sensory data says that you're wrong. Obviously there IS some mechanism by which the brain can detect and interpret such stimuli. A telepath would simply have a better-evolved sensitivity and control, like the difference between the speculated "proto-eye" (basically a light-sensitive cell with binary "light/dark" level receptivity) and a fully-realized modern eye, which has light/dark, plus degree, plus (in color-adapted eyes) hue.
 
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Like Stephen King said in Tommyknockers, what's the point of playing poker when telepathy let's you know the other guy's cards are?

Having telepathy would ruin just about all games based on strategy, like chess and maybe even checkers.

So what's the point in lying if everyone knows you're lying through telepathy?

Telepathy may have it's strong suits, but it does have some down sides to it.

Like I once saw a long long time ago, a guy made a post that he was a huge fan of the X-Men and was in love with the power of telepathy because he wanted to know what everybody was thinking. Then he found Facebook and Facebook ended that.
 
There is a very good reason that experimenters cannot substantiate the existence of auras: There is at present no way to track every image that the human mind processes. The structure and activity of the brain can be recorded through medical imaging, but a lifetime of sensory input cannot be.

Yet. That we know of.

Of course, it's also possible that experimenters can't substantiate the existence of auras because auras don't exist.

That remains to be proven as well.


No doubt people laughed at da Vinci for drawing sketches of helicopters a few centuries ago. But their use has become routine.
I question whether one can call the use of Leonardo da Vinci-style air-screw helicopters may be called 'routine'. I would characterize them more as a 'barely practicable novelty'.

Don't be pedantic. The point is that da Vinci conceptualized something we readily accept centuries before the "hard science"/engineering to make it viable and practical came into being.

The Nebuses of his day would have had exactly your attitude towards da Vinci that you do towards the possiblities of human sensory powers beyond the accepted five.

Scientific progress does not get made by the wise orthodox sitting somewhere saying "It cannot be." Scientific progress is made by the rebel, the questioner of orthodoxy asking "Can it be?"
 
Scientific progress does not get made by the wise orthodox sitting somewhere saying "It cannot be." Scientific progress is made by the rebel, the questioner of orthodoxy asking "Can it be?"

Phantom, you expressed that sentiment far more elegantly and concisely than I did in my earlier post. Thank you.

Pauln6, re: Number One and Vina, may I recommend:

http://journal.transformativeworks.org/index.php/twc/article/view/44/64

The paper is part of a wider discussion about fannish vidding, but I was impressed with the author's analysis of "The Cage."

Incidentally, I'm wondering whether this discussion belongs in another thread at this point.
 
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The first pilot has a more interesting take on psychic hallucinations. They are not supremely powerful, just using a basic ability very effectively.

But they really were supremely powerful. The Enterprise landing party sheared off the top of a rock face and they simply weren't able to see it.

NUMBER ONE: Disengage. The top of that knoll should have been sheared off the first second.
BOYCE: Maybe it was. It's what I tried to explain in the briefing room. Their power of illusion is so great, we can't be sure of anything we do, anything we see.
Mitchell could control the physical, the Talosians were able to control what the mind saw, across light-years. They didn't need to overwhelm an opponent.

Powerful, yes, but being able to influence minds across light years was something that was added in later in the Menagerie I think. The Talosians had very specific limitations on what they could achieve, which allows you to write a story around that. They appeared to be far more powerful than they actually were.

Beings like Mitchell, Sylvia, and Trelane are one or two steps up with a wide array of ill-defined mental and physical powers that have a defined limitation. They could just conjure objects from this air but then so could our heroes by the time of TNG. Above them you have the implausible energy beings with unlimited powers.

I rather admired Babylon 5 a lot more where the more powerful races were implied to have abilities that we barely saw and some were so beyond us as to be unfathomable but nobody was just conjuring things out of thin air.

I think in B5 they stumbled a bit with the upper end telepaths, they did nothing with Talia's telekinesis, and the whole telepath story in season 5 was a bit botched. Telepaths don't have to be supremely powerful to be interesting but being telepaths is not enough to make them interesting. Miranda Jones is one of my favourite sci fi telepaths but Deanna Troi was often very dull.
 
Miranda Jones is one of my favourite sci fi telepaths but Deanna Troi was often very dull.

Agreed, Pauln6. I have to wonder whether Miranda Jones' telepathy originated as a sort of recompense for her physical blindness. It certainly wouldn't be the first instance of a person sharpening one sense to compensate for deficits in another--whether subconsciously or intentionally, as in the case Starborn Dragon was citing, or both. (Although given Miranda's previous difficulties with controlling her telepathy, one might argue that she overcompensated.)
 
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