Makes one wonder if Deltan techniques were among the ones Data was versed in.
I watched the 1981 movie Nighthawks
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Well, not graphic details, but yeah, there was some discussion of it. No way would Gene Roddenberry write a novel and not indulge his preoccupation with sex.
Although, of course, it was TMP that introduced the "forehead alien" to Trek with the Klingons. (Well, TOS did have at least a couple of giant-bald-head aliens, the Talosians and the Vians, but that's not quite the same thing.)
I liked Lt. Ilia. Even though her backstory involved coming from a very sexual culture, TMP didn't do much to mention it. I can't remember if Rodenberry's novelization went into details, it's been decades since I read it.
I suspect, if the Phase II series had been produced for TV as originally planned (before it morphed into TMP), I expect Ilia's character would have become much more like TNG's Troi (whose character was based on Ilia.) The only hint of Betazoid cultural sexuality we ever saw was the naked wedding tradition. Otherwise, nil (not counting Troi's own personal relationships scattered through the show, which were no different than any human character's would have been.)
Ilia as a regular character probably would have been the same. But perhaps better, since as a Navigator she could serve the ship in a more useful way than simply psychoanalyzing the crew.
You're forgetting "Manhunt" and its establishment of "the Phase" in which an older Betazoid woman's libido triples.
Also, not every culture sees nudity as automatically sexual. Nudity in Betazoid weddings could be more a symbolic representation of purity or openness than anything to do with sex.
Everyone needs an editor!
Egad.
So they started in with the antennae in front that soon after TOS. No wonder everyone these days thinks that's how they've always looked. Me, I thought they were inspired by bad art in the Marvel Comic books of the late '70s/early '80s.
So they started in with the antennae in front that soon after TOS. No wonder everyone these days thinks that's how they've always looked. Me, I thought they were inspired by bad art in the Marvel Comic books of the late '70s/early '80s.
I liked Lt. Ilia. Even though her backstory involved coming from a very sexual culture, TMP didn't do much to mention it. I can't remember if Rodenberry's novelization went into details, it's been decades since I read it.
IN response, here she is in the film Megaforce..
^I don't think Theiss could've come up with anything much more revealing than Ilia's leisure robe. Anyway, the skimpiness of the female costumes in TOS and TMP came down to Roddenberry's preferences. After all, the producer (or director) approves everything the costume designer comes up with, so often the final designs are about pleasing them. With Roddenberry in charge, we would've gotten similar skimpiness regardless of who the costume designer was. (After all, Fletcher did the costumes for both TMP and TWOK. Their radical difference comes down to a difference in preference between Wise and Roddenberry for the former and Meyer and Bennett for the latter.)
The Marvel (and LA Times Syndicate artists) were compelled by contract to use the TMP look for the Andorians.
Some artistic license did slip through. For example, Chekov's girlfriend, in Marvel ST #16, had TOS-like caps on her forward-placed antennae.
Themon by Ian McLean, on Flickr
DC was not restricted in the same way:
Shapeshifter as an Andorian (DC #6) by Ian McLean, on Flickr
Lyndra Dean (DC #16) by Ian McLean, on Flickr
Then came ST IV, and advancements that enabled "no joins"!
UFP Councillor without hair by Ian McLean, on Flickr
UFP Councillor with hair by Ian McLean, on Flickr
It was said in jest.
Jesus, Christopher, don't be so damn literal all the time. Sometimes it's frustrating that you can't even joke around without you having to "prove everything wrong".
I suppose Roddenberry approved Grace Lee Whitney's lack of make up, but approved it for Nichelle Nichols? I don't know, just asking? I'm sure you know the answer.
The Marvel (and LA Times Syndicate artists) were compelled by contract to use the TMP look for the Andorians.
Some artistic license did slip through. For example, Chekov's girlfriend, in Marvel ST #16, had TOS-like caps on her forward-placed antennae.
Themon by Ian McLean, on Flickr
DC was not restricted in the same way:
Shapeshifter as an Andorian (DC #6) by Ian McLean, on Flickr
Lyndra Dean (DC #16) by Ian McLean, on Flickr
Then came ST IV, and advancements that enabled "no joins"!
UFP Councillor without hair by Ian McLean, on Flickr
UFP Councillor with hair by Ian McLean, on Flickr
I really liked that interesting older guy they got to play the Andorian in Journey to Babel. That was good casting.
It was Robert Wise who nixed Grace's makeup in TMP. He said that "Kirk's geisha girl had no place on the Enterprise". Supposedly he was still smarting from a practical joke GR and Grace played on Wise on his first day at the studio. (Grace pretended to be his new gum chewin' bimbo secretary.)
Reggie Nalder. Loved his accent. He also played a blue vampire, Mr Barlow, in the TV mini-series of "Salem's Lot".
His unusual look was due to a large facial scar from burns suffered in a fire as a young man.
You didn't post a smiley or say "just kidding." Don't assume we can read your mind.
And just because a comment was made in jest, that doesn't mean I'm somehow forbidden to respond on the general topic. I'm just talking about the ideas that occur to me, the thoughts that go through my head. Since I have an analytical mind, that means I analyze. It's simply what I do. It's not a judgment of anyone, it's just how my mind works.
And I will never understand the attitude that being analytical and having a sense of humor are somehow contradictory. In my family, we're all intensely analytical, but we're also total cut-ups at the same time. A conversation among members of the Bennett clan will alternate between in-depth discussion of facts and principles and absurd puns and wisecracks on a regular basis. That's how I learned to communicate and interact. If you go to my profile page and look over my overall body of posts, you'll see a similar mix. Humor does not require shutting down the ability to analyze and question. Indeed, I daresay humor requires the ability to analyze and question.
Is that so?
Then how come MY analytical mind says your previous two posts are devoid of humor?
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