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Sherlock Season 4

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It looks like either Sherlock or Watson has suffered some kind of trauma, and this is just a delusion they're having.

No - unless everyone involved is lying about it - this is a straight up "let's make a special but make it a period piece because we can".
 
Oh god, is Moriarty back? I watched Sherlock Series 3, but my intense hatred for Sherlock's version of Moriarty might have made me suppress that memory. That definitely deflates my excitement for series 4. Moriarty is the one place Sherlock completely and totally screwed up. I really hope he doesn't end up being the overall threat in Series 4.

Series 3 ended with a recording of Moriarty popping up everywhere, saying 'did you mis me?'.

Everyone is speculating wether or not he will be actually back, or if it's something else.
I've speculated from the first episode, that there is no real Moriarty. There is a sort of mafia-like group of criminals, called Moriarty. He was part of it, but kinda mental, and to keep anonymous, used the name Moriarty to do this thing. Now, the group itself is still using his image to do their thing, whilest remaing anonymous.

Yeah, very, very farfetched, I know. ;) ;) ;)

And yes, as stated earlier, I don't think this special will actually be part of the longer running story throughout the series. Just a fun little thing for Christmas.
 
Well, that's clever, but I doubt the special will live up to that level of reconciliation.

Sadly, you're probably right. I'm trying to give Moffat and Gatiss the benefit of the doubt. If I can play The Game (of Sherlockian scholarship) at that level, they can, too. But, the truth is, I think they talk a better game than they play it. They don't seem to be as familiar with the Canon as they claim to be.

According to Tor.com's report on the SDCC Sherlock panel, "Sue Vertue went along to say that the special is still very much their show, their world, even if it is over a century earlier." Meaning it'll have modern snark and sensibilities, and Moffat and Gatiss's distinctive, exaggerated versions of the characters. This is not going to be Doyle's Holmes and Watson, it's going to be M&G's Sherlock and John transposed to the Victorian era.

Again, I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they're aspiring to something more than Sherlock in steampunk cosplay. :)

Although I suppose maybe the idea is that this is the "reality" of Holmes and Watson and that the published stories we have are Watson's toned-down accounts.

That's how I approach Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows, actually -- that it's the "real" story behind The Final Problem which Watson toned down to protect various interests.
 
But, the truth is, I think they talk a better game than they play it. They don't seem to be as familiar with the Canon as they claim to be.

Gatiss in particular seems to know it pretty well, but I think their approach to it is a bit too fannish. As I said in my Locus essay last year, Sherlock strikes me as being very well-produced, well-acted Holmesian fanfic -- loaded with references and homages and metatextual commentaries, often to the detriment of telling an organic and believable story. Elementary manages to work a lot of quotations from the canon into the dialogue, but it feels like a smoother fit, not as self-conscious as Sherlock's winks to the camera.


That's how I approach Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows, actually -- that it's the "real" story behind The Final Problem which Watson toned down to protect various interests.

Sigh... I do wish we'd gotten a third film in the Downey series. But it seems that Guy Ritchie has moved on to The Man from U.N.C.L.E. now.


That whole exchange was nothing short of fourth wall-breaking perfection.

Honestly, I'm sick of them breaking the fourth wall at this point. I want to see a story that's an actual story rather than just a framework on which to hang gimmicks and allusions and referential jokes.
 
Sigh... I do wish we'd gotten a third film in the Downey series. But it seems that Guy Ritchie has moved on to The Man from U.N.C.L.E. now.

As recently as January Downey was talking about his intention to make a third film. The issues that have kept it from being made thus far are probably Downey's availability and the script. Point is, I'm hopeful, and perhaps we'll see some definite movement later in the year.

This article from May is very hopeful and believes that Downey has been hinting at something on Facebook.
 
I liked the first RDJ Sherlock Holmes movie, but the second was pretty dire, basically taking the flaws with the first one and making them worse. I'd be interested in a third one, but I'd hope that they tine it down a bit and do something more along the lines of the first movie.
 
I think the problem was Moriarty. Harris is generally pretty solid (He was great on MM.), but he just didn't work.
 
If the theatrical airing of this special ends up making the big bank I suspect it will, expect RDJ to start browbeating Guy Ritchie and Jude Law to clear their schedules and get a third film going.
 
Its going to be a limited theatrical release. I'm guessing its going to mostly be a UK thing, with only a small handful of theaters outside the UK being involved. So no, its not going to bring in big money.
 
Its going to be a limited theatrical release. I'm guessing its going to mostly be a UK thing, with only a small handful of theaters outside the UK being involved. So no, its not going to bring in big money.

When "The Day of the Doctor"'s theatrical screening was announced, it wasn't clear immediately whether or not that would be UK-only. Eventually, BBC Worldwide found theatrical partners around the world, like with Fathom Events in the US. I won't rule out the possibility that this will be a UK-only event, but I also would be surprised if a deal gets made for this in the United States.

It won't bring in "big money," but the model for "Day of the Doctor" was nothing to sneeze at; that one showing outgrossed Thor: The Dark World that day.
 
It won't bring in "big money," but the model for "Day of the Doctor" was nothing to sneeze at; that one showing outgrossed Thor: The Dark World that day.

Although that was the one and ony chance to see "Day" in the theater, while people wanting to see Thor could see it any day they wanted. So unless that was opening weekend for Thor, it's not as impressive a feat as it sounds.
 
Its going to be a limited theatrical release. I'm guessing its going to mostly be a UK thing, with only a small handful of theaters outside the UK being involved. So no, its not going to bring in big money.
When "The Day of the Doctor"'s theatrical screening was announced, it wasn't clear immediately whether or not that would be UK-only. Eventually, BBC Worldwide found theatrical partners around the world, like with Fathom Events in the US. I won't rule out the possibility that this will be a UK-only event, but I also would be surprised if a deal gets made for this in the United States..
Either way, I'm probably going to have to make a trip to England to watch it. When "Day of the Doctor" was shown in cinema, there was a hole the size of Belgium in the middle of the sea of pins on the map that indicated where in Europe it was going to be shown.
 
It looks like either Sherlock or Watson has suffered some kind of trauma, and this is just a delusion they're having.

No - unless everyone involved is lying about it - this is a straight up "let's make a special but make it a period piece because we can".
How would that be a lie? It would still be a period piece just "because we can." It just wouldn't be reality, and rather some drug-fueled or trauma-induced hallucination one of them is having.
 
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