The voyage could've ended in Caretaker

[Bry_Sinclair]

A random thought struck me today that made less and less sense the more I thought on it.

At the end of "Caretaker" when Voyager and the raider take on the Kazon, its two against two until the mothership arrives on the scene. Voyager's weapons array is hit and the raider is sacrificed to take out the mothership.

That leaves two against one (with a damaged weapons array).

Janeway contacts the Kazon to tell them to back off, after he tells her that he has called for reinforcements. Voyager destroys the Array and the Kazon calls to say that they've made an enemy today.

Why didn't they press the attack? Two ships could easily have kept Voyager busy until other ships arrived to help finish them off--especially given all the damage the starship had taken up to that point. So why quit?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Look at the perspective.

After the city ship was destroyed, the kazon had two shuttles.

Besides if that city ship did have an entire cities worth of people in it, Chakotay might have just killed 40 thousand people.

 

[hux]

The voyage could have ended at numerous points.

I wish it had never ended. I wish endgame had concluded with a big defeat for the Borg but Voyager basically stayed in the Delta quadrant and Janeway's final words in the episode were something like......"let's keep going."

 

[Guy Gardener]

It could have ended in Caretaker, if Janeway just lied to the dying old rapist.

"Sure, no problemo. I'll look after the Ocampa. Now you give me the command codes for this array and show me how to use it's weapons array to take care of those husky Kazon out there. Deal? Sweet."

 

[Catarina]

The voyage could have ended at numerous points.

I wish it had never ended. I wish endgame had concluded with a big defeat for the Borg but Voyager basically stayed in the Delta quadrant and Janeway's final words in the episode were something like......"let's keep going."

ditto

 

[MacLeod]

It could have ended in Caretaker, if Janeway just lied to the dying old rapist.

"Sure, no problemo. I'll look after the Ocampa. Now you give me the command codes for this array and show me how to use it's weapons array to take care of those husky Kazon out there. Deal? Sweet."

And in "Endgame" Janeway could have travelled back with her super-shuttle, so that VOY could use the array to get home.

 

[Catarina]

It could have ended in Caretaker, if Janeway just lied to the dying old rapist.

"Sure, no problemo. I'll look after the Ocampa. Now you give me the command codes for this array and show me how to use it's weapons array to take care of those husky Kazon out there. Deal? Sweet."

And in "Endgame" Janeway could have travelled back with her super-shuttle, so that VOY could use the array to get home.

all choices such as this would be dumb. The Marquis were seen as criminals and obviously not if to be so cozy with SF so soon. I wouldn't want to pay for being misunderstood. aka freedom fighter. I'd rather be lost if I were them. Although maybe they were antsy because they had pals in the war zones.

 

[Finn]

^no, Janeway wouldn't have. The fates would have had Harry Kim killed early in the Dominion War or the conflict with the Klingons, before he could be promoted to Lieutenant Jr. Grade.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Admiral Janeway arrived minutes after Chakotay and Seven had their first date.

Endgame was all about Seven.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

The voyage could have ended at numerous points.

I wish it had never ended. I wish endgame had concluded with a big defeat for the Borg but Voyager basically stayed in the Delta quadrant and Janeway's final words in the episode were something like......"let's keep going."

ditto

I third this.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

Admiral Janeway arrived minutes after Chakotay and Seven had their first date.

Endgame was all about Seven.

And Janeway vs. Janeway. She spent a good chunk of Endgame in conflict with herself.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Can you outsmart your younger self?

Could you go back in time and successfully change your younger selfs mind, or would she she slap the yolk out of you?

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

Possibly. Seeing as I'm the older version, I have more knowledge and wisdom than her.

 

[Catarina]

Possibly. Seeing as I'm the older version, I have more knowledge and wisdom than her.

Guy has a point. Janeway underestimated Janeway.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If Janeway had obeyed the Prime Directive, by not destroying the Array, they could have gone home immediately.

Later...

Ransom "Captian Janeway? Did you ever break the Prime Directive?"

Kathryn "First day, I snapped it over my knee and never looked back."

Seriously.

Tuvok says that she broke the letter of the law and she makes up some bullshit about the spirit of the law that defies everything we know about the Prime Directive, because a dirty delusional senile old man told a scary story that gave her butterflies in her tum tum.

 

[hux]

Possibly. Seeing as I'm the older version, I have more knowledge and wisdom than her.

Guy has a point. Janeway underestimated Janeway.

I think Older Janeway simply forgot that younger Janeway was a different person. You go through life basically assuming you're pretty much always the same person but never get the chance to find out how wrong you are.

if I met myself at seventeen, we would both be appalled by each other. If I met myself at twenty-five, I'd repeatedly slap him in the face and shout....."snap out of it, you dick"

 

[Kilana2]

Possibly. Seeing as I'm the older version, I have more knowledge and wisdom than her.

Guy has a point. Janeway underestimated Janeway.

I think Older Janeway simply forgot that younger Janeway was a different person. You go through life basically assuming you're pretty much always the same person but never get the chance to find out how wrong you are.

if I met myself at seventeen, we would both be appalled by each other. If I met myself at twenty-five, I'd repeatedly slap him in the face and shout....."snap out of it, you dick"

What happens when you meet your older self? Say, a 90 year old hux. Don't tell me you will be dead by then.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Sometimes I wonder if Admiral Janeway was lying.

The fastest way to get her ducks in a row is to spin some opposite day shit for her child self to rally against.

 

[hux]

What happens when you meet your older self? Say, a 90 year old hux. Don't tell me you will be dead by then.

Who doesn't love being forced to contemplate their mortality.

I subscribe to the notion that we become slightly different people every five years or so (assuming you have a remotely interesting and stimulating life) so there's always the possibility of conflict with future or past selves.

 

[Catarina]

oh god, don't let me live to 90. Let's see if my 90 year old self comes back to slap me for this. "you decided to get fit as an obsession and now you're a senior yogi who surprisingly doesn't wear a diaper. life is good."