That's a very good point.
Am I the only one who dislikes the Enterprise-E?
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That's a very good point.
That is quite reminiscent of this old girl:
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCho6AQ4cwc[/yt]
I'll only echo my usual sentiments that I prefer the D to the E. That said, I think for First Contact it was fine... in that movie it felt right at home taking the battle to the Borg cube... but it was in the two subsequent movies, where we saw her doing more 'routine' missions, that the flaws of the ship became apparent. She just doesn't feel as versatile as 1701-D.
Also this:
The 1701-D felt more a character unto itself, especially after all we'd been through with her. Comparatively, I find the 1701-E cold and distant, both internally and externally. I just can't attach myself to her in the three movies that we saw her in, she's just kind of... "there". 
Also this:
C.E.Evans said:
The 1701-D felt more a character unto itself, especially after all we'd been through with her. Comparatively, I find the 1701-E cold and distant, both internally and externally. I just can't attach myself to her in the three movies that we saw her in, she's just kind of... "there". I think the moment the attitudinal shift really struck home for me was in First Contact when Picard casually said (regarding the immanent destruction of the ship) "Plenty of more letters left in the alphabet..."
As for the E herself, I vacillate back and forth between appreciating her for her own sake and mourning the loss of the older, more "tall ship" looking "necked" designs.
Well when B'elanna Torres was trying to score some off that Cardassian missile ship thing, it didn't sound like she though it would be hard for Voyager to use them.
Yep, they are both very similar to one another.
She did say that they were easily converted to Starfleet specifications.
C.E.Evans said:
This and this. I didn't actively dislike the E, but she never grew on me...and for my money, she never earned her place as a hero ship in the series. I think that the big miscalculation was in giving us a completely new and different ship from her predecessor for the sake of being new and different. With the TMP refit, they redesigned the ship in a way that was evocative of the original, and were able to perpetrate the illusion that it was the same ship with an upgrade. This more easily allowed both the fans and the characters in the films to transfer any affection for the original to the film version.
And what ships were mobilized to fight the dominion? You look at many of the 600 ships sent to fight in the Battle of Bajor to retake DS9, Mirandas, Excelsiors, Centaurs... ships originally built to tackle the Klingon threat. Woefully inadequate to deal with the Dominion and in reality (Ironic I know) there's no way that they should have actually been able to beat the Dominion.
Couple of tings with that.
1. That was always just used as a plot device to get the Enterprise into the Frey in both TMP and the Enterprise B in Generations.
2. It is possible Starfleet actually had a main battle fleet in that time period deployed along the Neutral Zone with the Klingon empire, which is why so many Starfleet officers seemed so concerned in TUC.
All of the ones we saw doing so during the Dominion War.
Plot device or not, it still means that the Enterprise was the only ship of its kind in range. If Starfleet wasn't all that big during Kirk's day, then the Enterprise might have been the only ship around powerful enough to intercept V'Ger and the Enterprise-B might have been the nearest ship fast enough and big enough to handle an urgent rescue mission of that nature.
Or it could be that Starfleet has always been divided into multiple fleets. The many Starfleet officers concerned about détente with the Klingon Empire in TUC were more worried about whether peace was really possible as it had already been concluded by Starfleet that the Klingons were now vulnerable at the time.
Star Trek II, she was the only ship in the area. Star Trek III, there were obviously no ships between Earth and the Mutara Sector to intercept the Enterprise. Star Trek V, they send a woefully under prepared Enterprise to Nimbus III.
Though in Star Trek V, they explicitly said that there were other ships, just that they needed Jim Kirk. I take it to mean that in the days of Kirk's 5YM there really were few starships spread far between. The fleet was being built and built and built until by the time of, say, the Whale Probe incident, the fleet was actually becoming somewhat substantial. As the 24th Century progressed, ships were being built more easily with greater performance so that the line between spaceship and starship was getting less and less defined. So by TNG's time, most any ship was casually referred to as a starship and there was thousands of them tucked behind every corner.
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The obvious solution rather than sending the Enterprise was to give Kirk temporary command of one of those other ships.
It wasn't necessary since Kirk already commanded the Enterprise.
It obviously was necessary as the Enterprise was barely space worthy. It wouldn't have even been necessary to bump the command crew of another ship, they could've simply made Kirk mission commander.
It gives the feeling there really weren't any other ships available.
First, in TMP, Enterprise was the biggest, best equipped ship in V'Ger's line of travel. In TWOK, Kirk called Starfleet Command and was probably given orders to investigate, as Enterprise was already deployed.
I never really understood that point either, unless the other ships weren't as operational as the Enterprise was at the time (scary thought). It wasn't long after the whole whale probe ordeal, maybe they were still bringing ship's back to operational level?
Actually, that wasn't true. She was definitely spaceworthy. There were some relatively minor glitches with auxiliary systems that had to be fixed before the ship could be said to be at 100%, but they were soon fixed en route with the exception of the transporter and one faulty PADD. Otherwise, the ship's engines, weapons, and defenses were fine at the time she was dispatched to Nimbus III.
And even afterward, Scotty eventually did get the transporter partially working again before it was knocked out in battle (something that could happen to any ship in battle).
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