Jurassic World - Discussion and Grading

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Dream, Jun 12, 2015.

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Grade: Jurassic World

Poll closed Jun 11, 2016.
  1. A+

    8 vote(s)
    6.6%
  2. A

    28 vote(s)
    23.0%
  3. A-

    17 vote(s)
    13.9%
  4. B+

    27 vote(s)
    22.1%
  5. B

    17 vote(s)
    13.9%
  6. B-

    6 vote(s)
    4.9%
  7. C+

    9 vote(s)
    7.4%
  8. C

    5 vote(s)
    4.1%
  9. C-

    1 vote(s)
    0.8%
  10. D+

    2 vote(s)
    1.6%
  11. D

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. D-

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. F

    2 vote(s)
    1.6%
  1. Mr Light

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    Even an animal is smart enough to attack the weak point in a structure rather than the uniform sameness of the rest of it.

    I adored the theme park sequences because I'm a huge theme park nerd. But yeah uncontrolled gyrospheres are ridiculous. What's to stop them from steering it in front of a brachiosaur and getting crushed or injured?
     
  2. sojourner

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    The fence was too tall to step over. It was smart. It would guess the gate is the weakest part to bust through.
     
  3. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    I've only seen the film once.. but this is an animal that is "bigger than a T-Rex" and I don't think the gate was that tall.. plus it's an animal.. it's not going to use the friggin' gate..
     
  4. BeatleJWOL

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    Hey, you're right! We didn't see it get on the motorcycle before it escaped, either.
     
  5. sojourner

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    Go watch it again then. the gate/fence was that tall. And most of the movie is spent hitting us over the head with how intelligent the I-Rex is.

    It was smart enough to fake it's own escape.
     
  6. Turd Ferguson

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    Not only that, it's part
    velociraptor
    , so yes, it could very easily have used the gate.
     
  7. Timelord Victorious

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    That whole discussion reminds me of this again:

    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQrRg3LtjXY[/yt]

    And while we are at it:

    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6OEChj-UiI[/yt]
     
  8. Doctorwhovian

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    About the Gyrospheres, remember in the first film (and book I think too) part of the problem was that many of the Park's systems were automated from Nedry's console. Hence the cars stopping, unfortunately at the Rex paddock (Although of course there were the Jeeps which were regular cars). Hammond even says they can fix the park and reopen if they work that out:

    "Hiring Nedry was a mistake, it's obvious. We're overdependent on automation, I can see that now. Now the next time, everything's correctable. Creation is an act of sheer will. Next time it will be flawless."

    Of course Ellie talks him out of it (and Hammond later decides to give up on that, although it's unclear what his exact relationship was with the new park owner) but I think in the story it makes sense that the new park uses a bit less of that kind of thing since they're at least partially aware of went wrong with the original park.



    As for the Dinosaurs not hitting the gyrosphere, there's mention of a sort of invisible fence system that's part of the implant (Hence the Pachycephalosaur issue). Presumabely in the film that's why they kept their distance mostly.
     
  9. Nightowl1701

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    You're off by fifteen years and a coast. :lol: Disneyland's Autopia, when it opened in 1955, had no guide rail. (How it supposedly tied into Tomorrowland was that it previewed the then-in-development interstate highway system.) Realizing the runaway kid driver problem right away, Disney quickly developed a second version of the ride (Junior Autopia) in Fantasyland for the 9-13 set. It still had no guide rail, but higher track curbs and large fences around the track to prevent car escapes. A year after that came a third version, Midget Autopia (for the 4-8 set, also in Fantasyland) where the central guide rail finally made its debut. That got replaced by It's a Small World in 1965 (when the central rail was finally put in the other two Autopias), and the Junior Autopia was folded into the main one in 1999. Walt Disney World's version of Autopia, Grand Prix Raceway (now Tomorrowland Speedway), had the guide rail from Day One.
     
  10. Awesome Possum

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    On the website that's an actual website for the park, they explain that the dinosaurs have chips in them. If a gyrosphere gets too close, it shocks them a little and they back away. They probably learn to avoid getting too close to them after some time.
     
  11. sojourner

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    Ah, cool. I was going by memory of some old tv show I saw about it.
     
  12. YellowSubmarine

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    Saw this today, and on leaving the cinema a pigeon flew at me. I ducked.

    I am so outraged that they didn't put feathers on the dinosaurs that I gave the film an A. I would have given it an A-, but I was blessed with an "explanation". Take that, Colin Trevorrow, my "A" will haunt you for the rest of your life like the sight of claw marks of an Inwhatevrius Rex on a fence, a remainder of what happens when the truth escapes you.

    I am being serious, someone in the lab should have had a realism fetish, and should have bred a realistic raptor only to have her boyfriend eaten by it.

    "What the hell is that? Hahahahahaha... Look!"
    "It's realistic raptor.... Run!!!"
    "But it has, look at it, hahaha..ah...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!"
    "Well, I told you that your attitude will get you killed. Come here, Red. You're caged with Tango for a week for eating my boyfriend."
     
  13. Warped9

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    That would have rocked. :techman:
     
  14. Trekker4747

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    Jurassic World

    My grade: B+

    In short: After 22 years Jurassic Park actually gets a mostly worthy, and different, sequel.

    It's been 22 years since billionaire entrepreneur and businessman John Hammond first envisioned a biological preserve/theme park featuring dinosaurs cloned from recovered DNA inside fossilized tree sap -splicing the DNA with present-day frogs to account for the degradation- and he saw his vision crumble before his eyes as his disrespect for the animals as living, dangerous, creatures resulted in several deaths and the near-loss of his grandchildren. And while the Jurassic Park sequels dealt with events on another island -where the dinosaurs were actually created and kept in a more natural environment rather than being segregated.

    In the 14 years since the dino-populated islands were last seen in Jurassic Park III, InGen (the parent company of the company Hammond owned truing to build the park) has re-established a new theme park on Isla Nubar and it is fully realized and operating, boasting 20,000 visitors a day, an untarnished safety record and being ran by a man with a vision similar to Hammond. He's uninterested in the park making a profit -presumably letting the park be a "loss leader" for the InGen brand, allowing other InGen companies, products and services to compensate for the park's lack of revenue- he only wants to make sure the guests are enjoying the park and its attractions.

    By and large it seems like business is booming and visitors are generally having a good time, seeing the shows, taking the tours and rides around the park and filling the shop and restaurant-line promenade, but InGen is worried that visitors are becoming more and more disinterested in the dinosaurs putting the company's future in jeopardy. So they decide to genetically engineer a new dinosaur by splicing the DNA of several other prehistoric and current creatures to create the Indominus-Rex. To ensure that the paddock housing the creature is safe they consult with, essentially, their game warden Owen who's managed to train a pack of Velociraptors, establishing himself as their "Alpha.

    Things, naturally, go wrong and the I-Rex manages to escape from her paddock endangering the lives of everyone on the island and Owen may be the only one capable of stopping them but is thwarted by another group on the island wanting to militarize the raptors.

    Oh, and some parents are getting divorced and as a cover they send their kids to the island and they get in jeopardy.

    The movie is not without its flaws but it does manage to deliver in many of the ways the other sequels didn't mostly in showcasing the animals in much more... "romantic" way and treating them as animals rather than as typical movie monsters. There's a touching scene in the first movie where Dr. Grant marvels over a sick Triceratops prone on the ground, there's a similar scene here where Owen soothes a mortally wounded brachiosaurus.

    The movie certainly delivers on special effects, I saw it in 3-D which serviced the movie quite well, and the final battle with the I-Rex and other prehistoric creatures certainly delivers in a satisfying way.

    Nicely, the movie also plays lip-service to why the dinosaurs still look like large reptiles -as opposed to have more avian-like features as we current feel they did- by reaffirming they were using reptilian DNA for the gene-splicing in order to deliver more on common expectations as opposed to trying to be prehistorically accurate.

    Chris Pratt (Owen) does a good job here and shows more how capable he is as a leading man, though it's hard to not see his Star Lord persona here but seeing him as the Raptor Whisperer is pretty awesome. Bryce Dallas Howard plays one of the heads of the park and Pratt's love interest and she also does a fairly decent job but at the end of the day is mostly there to play the stereotypical female/love-interest role in the movie. To her credit, though, she's given a couple bad-ass moments and comes up with the idea that ends up saving the day.

    All and all, I had fun in it. It a good ride and very enjoyable. The 3D in it may be worth seeing but probably not essential.

    Just a couple grumblings here, minor spoilers:

    Once the I-Rex is loose they start shutting down the park and redirect park visitors to the main promenade area away from the attractions/paddocks. When they do this are two child characters are in a hamster-ball like vehicle driving around a paddock filled with various benign herbivores. They apparently hear/get the message to return the vehicle to the launching station but opt not to and go exploring anyway. ...

    Um, why do they have that level of control over the vehicle? I can see it being, maybe, like when you rent a paddle-boat at the lake and you rent it for some period of time and are expected to return it when that time is up, paying for any "overtime" you had the boat. So, fine, we'll allow that aspect of it. People pay for a period of time, they use the vehicles, and return them on time. If not they pay for the extra time.

    But here the park is going into an emergency lockdown and the kids decide to ignore it and go off on their own. Why aren't the vehicles remotely operated to return to base on their own when the emergency recall is declared? The kids even manage to drive the vehicle out of the paddock and into another one, why would the vehicles be programed to allow for them to be taken outside of their area? Why not have them either refuse to do it or shut down once they leave their area?

    In another scene the two child characters find the original main building for Jurassic Park from the first movie and explore it some, a nice tribute to the first movie. They come across a garage which holds the "gas Jeeps" from the first movie and are able to get one started in order to return to the park. One of the ways they get it started is by removing the battery from a wrecked vehicle they came across earlier.

    Ummmm...... This sort of thing really, really, *REALLY* bugs me. It aggravates me to no end. They replaced the battery. Fine. I'll accept that when the Jeep was parked there it had gas in it, enough to get them to the new park. But, sorry, the gas has been in that tank for OVER 20 YEARS! It's not gasoline anymore it a think, gummy, gunk that's clogging every single piece of hardware between the tank and the engine injectors.

    And there's nothing to suggest the Jeep's tank was empty and they siphoned gas from the wrecked vehicle they got the battery from and used it to fill the Jeep up. Even if they did, there'd still be the decades-old gasoline in the lines and engine. The engine is garbage. Plus, later we see Own attempt to do the same thing to get another Jeep running, apparently under the assumption he can get it to work too just by replacing/charging the battery.

    No. Nope. Nada.

    Also, the kid drives the Jeep which in the first movie had a manual transmission. The kid mentions having taken, but failed, his driver's course so he's not an experienced driver. Considering this day and age I highly doubt he learned to drive stick.
     
  15. YellowSubmarine

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    The film depicted an unexpected and unforeseen emergency the park did not plan for, in which the existing safety features – which there were plenty of – broke down, and we are in unpredictable territory. Not only that big a breach wasn't supposed to happen, they wouldn't be able to anticipate what would be necessary if it did. Making the headless BB-8s truly headless by giving them remote control was probably seen as unwarranted complexity like adding parachutes to passenger aircraft, and it didn't even occur to anyone.

    Not to mention it could be potentially dangerous – what if they made them remote controllable, and then it turns out they could be cracked with a toy and can't be fixed? What do you want, the creepy old brother gaining control of the gyroball of the two girls he was hitting on, and bringing them as a meal for the dinosaur?

    Granted, with the near lack of women in the film, it would have been a breath of fresh air if they saved his ass in such development. In fact, at first I thought the story was heading in such direction, and I was disappointed it wasn't.

    But... But... But... I am pretty sure old trucks last 4 centuries! :p

    I thought the scene was pretty cool. They acknowledged that the vehicles wouldn't work, they fixed them, and it was unrealistic, all like a vintage DOS adventure game.
     
  16. Mr Light

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    Did the movie expressly state that was a gas-fueled jeep? I literally just finished reading the novel and they're all electric cars there.
     
  17. Trekker4747

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    In the first movie the Jeep Wranglers were gas Jeeps -infact they were even called that. The Jeep Cherokees were the electric ones used for the park tours. Not to mention when they get it working it, you know, made gas-engine sounds including when they worked to turn it over.
     
  18. YellowSubmarine

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    Yeah. That too. I haven't read the book, and I don't remember much about electric cars in the film itself, but I am pretty sure the Jurassic Park sticker book I had as a kid said they were all electric.

    But then that small battery wouldn't be able to power them.
     
  19. Mr Light

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    The cars in Epcot's Test Track are electric but they play the audio of a gas engine to sound more exciting.

    Maybe that's just the starter battery? :lol:
     
  20. sojourner

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    But yeah, trying to rationalize why those bubbles couldn't be remotely returned is stretching things.