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The ones I love

Gingerbread Demon

Yelling at the Vorlons
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OK laugh now but these are the Trek movies I like in no particular order

The Motion Picture
The Voyage Home
The Final Frontier
The Undiscovered Country
First Contact
Insurrection
Nemesis
 
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OK laugh now but these are the Trek movies I like in no particular order

The Motion Picture
The Voyage Home
The Final Frontier
The Undiscovered Country
First Contact
Insurrection
Nemesis


TMP is an epic. It is over-criticised and a good film.

TVH is amusing and actually quite impressive that it is watchable [on paper it sounds awful]

TFF, I think, has the best 'big three' interaction in the franchise. It doesn't really work, to me, but I can see what Shatner was trying to do. I don't dislike it.

TUC is the gem, the overlooked film. You could easily place it in a top-3 Trek films ever list.

FC is awesome and the one film the TNG cast got right.

INS has spectacular cinematography, it is amusing [I think my favourite scene is between Riker & Data, "smooth as a babies bottom, huhh Data?" with Spiners hilarious shake of the head]. Sadly, like Generations, the plot is utter nonsense. I do, however, find the film watchable.

NEM....is a mess. Like INS & Generations had a child to really amp up the nonsense. Shinzon is an idiot, B4 is a total plot-copout, "oh hai guiz, we are Remans and have always been here", "Oh hai guiz we built a super-ship and nobody noticed", I find the rape scene distasteful.....I can totally watch Nemesis but It has so few reddeming qualities other than the SFX/Valdore/Marriage.


So yeah, your list is pretty good. WoK is a glaring ommission though.
 
I'm kind off off-base from what the typical Trek fan likes, so some of your list is right up my alley!

TMP- Love it...epic, gorgeous and timeless. There won't ever be another Trek movie like it again, unfortunately. Brilliant soundtrack, breathtaking visuals and nice character arcs for Kirk and Spock. The production design and model work is first-rate. Awesome, awe-inspiring movie.

TFF- This is kind of the opposite of TMP, and I love it just the same. It is a more fun and adventurous romp that reminds us of the original series. I like how there is a "mission into the unknown" theme that many of the film's did not have. The Kirk/Spock/McCoy stuff is priceless,and the soundtrack is as good as the effects are bad.

NEM- I actually think Nemesis is the best TNG film, just barely edging out FC. It was the least like a television show and most like a feature film from that cast. I think it had a dark, foreboding feel. The themes are very good for a "final voyage" and are classic TNG stuff. It has a great action sequence, and some good emotional moments for the cast. Tom Hardy is great with a relatively blah character.


I also like (not on your list) Wrath of Khan and (possibly my absolute favorite) Search for Spock. I think TSFS has the perfect blend of adventure, action, melodrama, and fun with a high-stakes emotional mission to sacrifice all for a friend.

I'm less of a fan of TVH, TUC and INS. Really, INS is the only Star Trek film I don't like. TVH and TUC are fun but kind of lack the re-watchability. I'm neutral on FC and GEN. I like them as big epic two-parter episodes, but not necessarily as feature films.
 
I'm kind off off-base from what the typical Trek fan likes, so some of your list is right up my alley!

TMP- Love it...epic, gorgeous and timeless. There won't ever be another Trek movie like it again, unfortunately. Brilliant soundtrack, breathtaking visuals and nice character arcs for Kirk and Spock. The production design and model work is first-rate. Awesome, awe-inspiring movie.

TMP is great isn't it I have the 10 disk box set of all the movies and each DVD is a 2 disk set for most of them. TMP is gorgeous to watch.. I have both versions of the movie and love the theatrical version too even if you can see the stage when Kirk is leaving the Enterprise. You can clearly see the scaffolding holding up the set where the hatch is... That's all gone of course in the special edition and I think that has a few scenes not in the original..

For whoever mentioned Nemesis my copy of Nemesis didn't have the rape scene... Are you sure that wasn't an alternate scene for whoever mentioned it earlier.. There is that scene of Troi having her mind probed but you don't see the full thing in the movie. On my disk it's an alternate scene.

See I do like Wrath Of Khan but it's not what I call a favourite... Having said that The Search For Spock doesn't even get a mention for me. it's alright but it's not great, or good even. IMO

Final Frontier is fun too even with silly gags like 78 decks when they go up the lift shaft. Really? 78 decks? It's a funny gag...

TUC is just another epic film in the series.. So much to enjoy in that and it's got one of the best film transfers of the whole series. It's so crisp and clear.. And the music is awesome.
 
I love Star Trek V. It's the film that most feels like TOS to me, and I love the crew's interactions. Over the hill space adventurers who after years in space together... all go on shore leave together. It's sad and sweet. Sybok is an interesting character, who brings a new interesting twist to Spock's backstory.

Nemesis I really enjoyed, and along with season 3 of Enterprise got me back into Trek after I drifted away.

Insurrection is my least favourite Trek movie. No sympathy for the middle class white people in their gated community paradise. Kick them out and give eternal youth to the galaxy, I say!

Undiscovered Country I'm not crazy about either. Lots of out-of-character moments and a TNG vibe put me off. Still watchable, though.
 
I love Star Trek V. It's the film that most feels like TOS to me, and I love the crew's interactions. Over the hill space adventurers who after years in space together... all go on shore leave together. It's sad and sweet. Sybok is an interesting character, who brings a new interesting twist to Spock's backstory.

Nemesis I really enjoyed, and along with season 3 of Enterprise got me back into Trek after I drifted away.

Insurrection is my least favourite Trek movie. No sympathy for the middle class white people in their gated community paradise. Kick them out and give eternal youth to the galaxy, I say!

Undiscovered Country I'm not crazy about either. Lots of out-of-character moments and a TNG vibe put me off. Still watchable, though.

Seems as though our taste in Trek films is very similar!
 
OK laugh now but these are the Trek movies I like in no particular order

The Motion Picture
The Voyage Home
The Final Frontier
The Undiscovered Country
First Contact
Insurrection
Nemesis

There really is no need to get preemptively defensive about it; Trekkies like what they like. If you have fun, then own that fun.

Me personally, I think TMP is otherwise an enjoyable flick if you have a Sunday afternoon to relax; I don't put it above TUC or First Contact, but I still think it's a good picture, for the most part.

TFF to me is still at the bottom half of the list, but it has heart, something a few other Trek movies are sorely lacking.
 
I agree - 100 trek fans will have a hundred different opinions!

TMP is one of my favourite films, it is a great example of epic sci fi. I also like TFF a lot, because it's fun and because it's the only film that feels like a sequel to the show.

Those are my guilty pleasures. I don't really like TUC, it's probably my least favourite. Nemesis, which despite the interesting premise, is ruined by ego trips - but I still prefer it to TUC.

Everything else is sort of in the middle. Still better than Twilight though.
 
I would take the first 6 Trek movies over the 6 Star Wars any day of the week!

The odd/even good/bad notion is bunk! The put-downs of TFF & TMP are overly negative. This is a GOOD, entertaining set of movies with heart. .glad they made each and every one. The days of TOS are over. It's great there were 6 more stories filmed beyond "Turnabout Intruder".
 
My favorites, more or less in this order:

Khan
"The One with the Whales"
TUC
First Contact
Star Trek (2009)

I confess I waffled on the ranking of those last two. On other day, I might well have ranked the 2009 movie over First Contact . . ..
 
TWOK
TSFS
TVH
FC
INS

(TUC is borderline - when it came out I absolutely loved it, but over the years and as I've gotten older I just have a lot of issues with the plot trying to be too many things at once, basically, as well as some of the plot elements that don't make sense to me)
 
TWOK
TSFS
TVH
FC
INS

(TUC is borderline - when it came out I absolutely loved it, but over the years and as I've gotten older I just have a lot of issues with the plot trying to be too many things at once, basically, as well as some of the plot elements that don't make sense to me)


Which bits made no sense?
 
TWOK
TSFS
TVH
FC
INS

(TUC is borderline - when it came out I absolutely loved it, but over the years and as I've gotten older I just have a lot of issues with the plot trying to be too many things at once, basically, as well as some of the plot elements that don't make sense to me)


Which bits made no sense?

I love it and still do, but I have to acknowledge the need to reconcile my love of the movie with its weird mistakes.

Off the top of my head:
-the Klingons never once noticed Spock's tracking device on Kirk, on Kronos-1, during the trial, or even Rura Penthe.
-the need for Marta to lure Kirk and McCoy out of the transport shield. If it was a trap, what would it matter? Clearly the warden was part of the conspiracy, too, and Marta was his agent. There are a million ways to kill Kirk and McCoy in the prison, or even just keep them there indefinitely until the conspiracy played out
-while racism plays an important theme in the movie, the anti-Klingon racism itself seems to come out of nowhere specifically for this movie
-we never really got a sense of what the Romulans had to gain from all this. Any theories about it are from outside the movie, really, i.e. sure the Romulans would love to see the two biggest powers duke it out so that they get more control, but that's not even slightly implied in the movie
-Perhaps oddest of all is that this conspiracy was a joint operation between high ranking officials in both the Klingon Empire and the Federation; the conspiracy was to keep war happening, but they failed to see the irony that they were working together to make that happen. And again, any rationale to explain it isn't in the movie, but rather theorized outside of it (because they're used to war and don't know any other lifestyle? Well, tough -- you're still working with the enemy).
 
TWOK
TSFS
TVH
FC
INS

(TUC is borderline - when it came out I absolutely loved it, but over the years and as I've gotten older I just have a lot of issues with the plot trying to be too many things at once, basically, as well as some of the plot elements that don't make sense to me)


Which bits made no sense?

I love it and still do, but I have to acknowledge the need to reconcile my love of the movie with its weird mistakes.

Off the top of my head:
-the Klingons never once noticed Spock's tracking device on Kirk, on Kronos-1, during the trial, or even Rura Penthe.
-the need for Marta to lure Kirk and McCoy out of the transport shield. If it was a trap, what would it matter? Clearly the warden was part of the conspiracy, too, and Marta was his agent. There are a million ways to kill Kirk and McCoy in the prison, or even just keep them there indefinitely until the conspiracy played out
-while racism plays an important theme in the movie, the anti-Klingon racism itself seems to come out of nowhere specifically for this movie
-we never really got a sense of what the Romulans had to gain from all this. Any theories about it are from outside the movie, really, i.e. sure the Romulans would love to see the two biggest powers duke it out so that they get more control, but that's not even slightly implied in the movie
-Perhaps oddest of all is that this conspiracy was a joint operation between high ranking officials in both the Klingon Empire and the Federation; the conspiracy was to keep war happening, but they failed to see the irony that they were working together to make that happen. And again, any rationale to explain it isn't in the movie, but rather theorized outside of it (because they're used to war and don't know any other lifestyle? Well, tough -- you're still working with the enemy).


Yeah I get most of those points too. But it's for me such a good movie I tend not to think too much on them.

Was Marta a changeling like Odo? We never got any idea what species she really was. Her powers seemed quite unique..
 
TWOK
TSFS
TVH
FC
INS

(TUC is borderline - when it came out I absolutely loved it, but over the years and as I've gotten older I just have a lot of issues with the plot trying to be too many things at once, basically, as well as some of the plot elements that don't make sense to me)


Which bits made no sense?

I love it and still do, but I have to acknowledge the need to reconcile my love of the movie with its weird mistakes.

Off the top of my head:
-the Klingons never once noticed Spock's tracking device on Kirk, on Kronos-1, during the trial, or even Rura Penthe.
-the need for Marta to lure Kirk and McCoy out of the transport shield. If it was a trap, what would it matter? Clearly the warden was part of the conspiracy, too, and Marta was his agent. There are a million ways to kill Kirk and McCoy in the prison, or even just keep them there indefinitely until the conspiracy played out
-while racism plays an important theme in the movie, the anti-Klingon racism itself seems to come out of nowhere specifically for this movie
-we never really got a sense of what the Romulans had to gain from all this. Any theories about it are from outside the movie, really, i.e. sure the Romulans would love to see the two biggest powers duke it out so that they get more control, but that's not even slightly implied in the movie
-Perhaps oddest of all is that this conspiracy was a joint operation between high ranking officials in both the Klingon Empire and the Federation; the conspiracy was to keep war happening, but they failed to see the irony that they were working together to make that happen. And again, any rationale to explain it isn't in the movie, but rather theorized outside of it (because they're used to war and don't know any other lifestyle? Well, tough -- you're still working with the enemy).

I agree with all this, and plenty more. The more and more I analyze this film, it becomes less and less plausible. It is really quite sloppy.

More stuff that is nonsense:

- a "subspace shockwave" that hits the Excelsior as the result of the Klingon moon exploding? And people think Red Matter and time traveling black holes are crap?

- The universal translator / Uhura speaks Klingon scene is totally bogus. They're flipping through old books like idiots. Are you trying to tell me that the computer couldn't print text translations for the crew via the translator?

- If the Enterprise shields are up, why do the BOP torpedo hits scar the hull?

- the assassins are killed by a close range phaser stun and stashed in the middle of a main corridor behind a blast door. Completely nonsensical.

-The best place to hide the assassin uniforms on a giant starship was directly behind the air vent in the senior officers dining room?

- with all of the sophisticated sensors and scanning equipment aboard the Enterprise they couldn't:
1. Perform a forensic analysis in the torpedo tubes to determine if shots had recently been fired
2. Scan for Klingon blood, a unique and obvious substance, aboard the ship?
3. Access sensor logs and realize that a torpedo (of Klingon design, mind you) had magically originated from out of nowhere beneath them when Kronos 1 was attacked?

- The ruse to lure the assassin into the open with the announcement that Burke and Samno are alive is totally silly. It didn't even make sense to me when I was 16 and saw this on opening day. It makes less sense now. Why would Valeris go into sickbay, weapon drawn, expecting that she will just be able to kill them without any security or resistance? Why would Kirk Spock and McCoy be in the room, waiting for this hell-bent agent who wants to start an apocalyptic WAR to potentially phaser them all to death?

- Why'd they bring Valeris to the surface of Khitomer?

- why is the Excelsior, the most advanced starship in the fleet, cataloging gaseous anomalies for three freaking years?

Even worse is that the entire premise of the film is sloppy and weak when you start to draw scrutiny to it, and it violates canon and continuity established in TNG for 4 seasons:

Why does the explosion of Praxis necessitate such a problem that Kronos needs to be evacuated (which, by the way, was not what was established on TNG)? Why would the Klingons need "safe haven within Federation space??" Don't they have an entire empire of worlds? If Earth became uninhabitable, would humans need to move into Klingon space to survive as a race? This is preposterous. Why do the Starfleet brass think that the assisting the Klingons means the end of Starfleet. Last time I checked, there are plenty of non-defense missions for Starfleet, as well as Romulans, Tholians, Gorn etc to worry about. Most bogus is that Starfleet would send a war-weary commander and crew out to meet the head-of-State of your sworn enemy on the eve of potential peace as a prelude to the most historic and influential diplomatic event in galactic history with no Federation officials, no Ambassadors (even Kirk questions this for Gods sake) etc. it's #ucking nonsense!

I know a lot of fans love TUC, but I can't understand how all these flaws (and more) just get a free pass, particularly from a fanbase that prides itself on being anal, nitpick you, perfectionist malcontents. I mean, the story barely holds up at all. It is filled with illogic and nonsense. Sure, I love these guys too, and this was their last hoorah...but if I look at this objectively as a film on its own merits, it is extremely weak.
 
More stuff that is nonsense:

- a "subspace shockwave" that hits the Excelsior as the result of the Klingon moon exploding? And people think Red Matter and time traveling black holes are crap?

This one I can attempt to generate a pseudoscientific explanation for:
Events in the macro universe also affect things on a quantum level (where I assume sub-space is), so the explosion of Praxis might create a subspace event quite different to the macro event, and this might affect a ship going at warp speed.

The problem with this explanation is the Excelsior was "heading home under full impulse power" (that's from the transcript), so wouldn't have been subject to warp anomalies. It's a nonsensical line anyway (how many centuries to Earth at that speed?) - perhaps Sulu mispoke?
 
- If the Enterprise shields are up, why do the BOP torpedo hits scar the hull?

I agree with almost all your points, and certainly you've shown me new ones to ponder!

My only reply is regarding this point: there are a few times across the various Treks in which shields get hit and hold but the hull still breaches (I think particularly more with Voyager). So it's not as if the shields completely screen out all damage, but they definitely help mitigate a good chunk of it.

I think TOS is the only Trek where the shields act as a near-perfect buffer.
 
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