The new Harry Potter & Star Wars trilogy can learn from LOTR Prequels

[Dales]

The next big trilogy in the fantasy film genre is the new spin off potter films (FANTASTIC BEAST AND WHERE TO FIND THEM) and episode 7-9. with the recent news that Eddie Redmayne is going to be Newt Scradamher, the biblo version of the fantastic beasts and where to find them, can you please without any bashing, hate, LOTR fanboyism or bias kindly state what the potter and star wars trilogies can learn from the critical failure of Hobbit 1, 2 and 3.

Here are some of my advise.

1. Don't drag the story

2. don't make your characters annoying aka Legolas

3. don't put a lame romance that looks forced

4. Don't make your beast like creature spend a lot of time talking aka Saron.

5. make the characters complex instead of goofy.

6. cut out the unnecessary action scenes

7. Have a convincing female lead, who is not just there as female token like Turiel.

7. reduce the CGI

 

[Leviathan]

Re: The new Harry Potter & Star Wars trilogy can learn from LOTR Prequ

...can you please without any bashing, hate, LOTR fanboyism or bias...

No, I don't think I can. It would be like low-fat bacon or masturbating with mittens on. I'm not inclined to try those either frankly.

Simply put - they need to pay close attention to what worked about their series....not about what their writers think is 'cool'.

 

[The Wormhole]

Re: The new Harry Potter & Star Wars trilogy can learn from LOTR Prequ

Honestly, everything in that list is common sense type stuff and should have been known without seeing The Hobbit movies. So why do we need to bring them up, beyond reminding everyone you didn't like The Hobbit?

...can you please without any bashing, hate, LOTR fanboyism or bias...

No, I don't think I can. It would be like low-fat bacon or masturbating with mittens on. I'm not inclined to try those either frankly.

Don't knock it until you try it.

 

[Hound of UIster]

Re: The new Harry Potter & Star Wars trilogy can learn from LOTR Prequ

Most of the changes Jackson introduced into LOTR were for the worst (turning Gimli into the comedy relief, Super Legolas, cutting out the Scouring, changing the battle of Pelennor Fields, having the elves fight at Helm's Deep). The only thing I thought he did right was more female presence with Arwen and which he then pretty much reversed in TTT and ROTK. What happened to the Hobbit movies is only an extension of this since there was never enough source material for three movies.

 

[jadcox@mindspring.com]

Re: The new Harry Potter & Star Wars trilogy can learn from LOTR Prequ

Most of the changes Jackson introduced into LOTR were for the worst (turning Gimli into the comedy relief, Super Legolas, cutting out the Scouring, changing the battle of Pelennor Fields, having the elves fight at Helm's Deep). The only thing I thought he did right was more female presence with Arwen and which he then pretty much reversed in TTT and ROTK. What happened to the Hobbit movies is only an extension of this since there was never enough source material for three movies.

This. Well, loss of thematic complexity and mythopoeic resonance, and this. Well said.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

Re: The new Harry Potter & Star Wars trilogy can learn from LOTR Prequ

Well, we're talking about different things here. The Hobbit was an existing story that was greatly embellished for the screen because (1) Warner Bros. wanted to squeeze more money out of it by dragging it out into 3 films and (2) Peter Jackson doesn't know when to quit. His movies have become progressively sloppier & more self-indulgent ever since the multiple endings of The Return of the King.

OTOH, Star Wars pretty much has a blank canvas moving forward for the writers to make up whatever they want. And while Magical Beasts is ostensibly a "prequel" to Harry Potter, it's also not really tied to an existing narrative. IIRC, we don't really know anything about Newt Scamander other than that he discovered magical beasts and wrote a book about them. Making a movie about him is like making the original Pirates of the Caribbean or Tomorrowland. They have a general milieu to work from but the narrative structure must be invented from scratch.