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Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

The bad guys in this aren't the Empire.

If the Empire aren't the bad guys this time, then who are the bad guys? Why would Tie fighters be firing on the Falcon if the Empire wasn't the bad guys?
It's a game of semantics, Empire = First Order, Rebel Alliance = The Resistance. Obviously The Empire exists in one form or another and continue to use ships, methods and Stormtroopers that we associate with the Empire, while the Resistance uses Jedi (presumably only Luke at this point) and familiar ships. Maybe it's not a Galactic Empire in control of the whole Galaxy, but they are the bad guys.

We still don't know for sure who/what is the good guys/bad guys. The First Order does appear to be built from the remnants of The Empire, but we do also see a Tie Fighter firing into a crowd of Stormtroopers in the second trailer, so it's not entirely clear how everything is going to line up.
 
If the Empire aren't the bad guys this time, then who are the bad guys? Why would Tie fighters be firing on the Falcon if the Empire wasn't the bad guys?
It's a game of semantics, Empire = First Order, Rebel Alliance = The Resistance. Obviously The Empire exists in one form or another and continue to use ships, methods and Stormtroopers that we associate with the Empire, while the Resistance uses Jedi (presumably only Luke at this point) and familiar ships. Maybe it's not a Galactic Empire in control of the whole Galaxy, but they are the bad guys.

We still don't know for sure who/what is the good guys/bad guys. The First Order does appear to be built from the remnants of The Empire, but we do also see a Tie Fighter firing into a crowd of Stormtroopers in the second trailer, so it's not entirely clear how everything is going to line up.

I do think that's Finn in the Tie Fighter attacking and leaving the Empire. But it does appear from the trailers and all that I've read that the war is still going on even after the battle of Endor.
 
Who's with me on wanting the unmolested and untouched and unedited versions of the classic trilogy on blu-ray now that Lucas has retired/no longer in charge of his studios?
 
Part of me wants that.

Another part of me would actually like to see a re-done version of the newer edited versions. Graphics technology has improved so much since they were originally done. Imagine the Han Solo/Jabba the Hutt scene if CGI Jabba didn't look so crappy.
 
I prefer the Special Editions. *ducks*

After seeing the same movie a million times, it's pretty exciting to see new material in it. I've never gone back to watch the theatrical cuts of LOTR, either. I'd rather see the new stuff.
 
I prefer the Special Editions. *ducks*

After seeing the same movie a million times, it's pretty exciting to see new material in it. I've never gone back to watch the theatrical cuts of LOTR, either. I'd rather see the new stuff.

I like them becuase I got to see A New Hope and The Empire Strikes back in a theater becuase of them.
 
Imagine the Han Solo/Jabba the Hutt scene if CGI Jabba didn't look so crappy.

Very true. But on the other hand, the DVD and Blu ray version of Jabba in Docking Bay 94 is an Andy Serkis motion-capture character compared to the shitty Nintendo game Jabba the Hutt that looks bad even for something designed around 1997.
 
I prefer the Special Editions. *ducks*

After seeing the same movie a million times, it's pretty exciting to see new material in it. I've never gone back to watch the theatrical cuts of LOTR, either. I'd rather see the new stuff.

I like them becuase I got to see A New Hope and The Empire Strikes back in a theater becuase of them.

I prefer the Special Editions. *ducks*

After seeing the same movie a million times, it's pretty exciting to see new material in it. I've never gone back to watch the theatrical cuts of LOTR, either. I'd rather see the new stuff.

You gotta be kidding, i think the old cuts are far superior to the SEs all the way as i grew up with the old cuts in the 80s. The SEs are nice but give me the old cuts anytime as i got the laserdiscs of the original cuts in their final remastered versions. I detested a few changes like Han not shooting first as it makes the character feel dumber, the screaming of "No.. NOOOO" at the end of Jedi and not to mention Hayden replacing Sabastian Shaw. And a part of me says CGI doesn't make an old movie good it makes it look worse. Im glad ET on blu-ray doesn't have the unmolested version.

And i suppose you think colorized versions of black and white films are better? nope they make the originals looks worse when the original version is far better. I mean how would you like it if they had colorized Citizen Kane and the only version avaliable was that version? well Ted Turner almost did that and luckily the short lived colorization of black and white movies ended by 1991 and realized that the originals are best in their original versions.

In the 1980s, a controversy swirled in Hollywood when there was a notion to colorize black and white films mainly from Ted Turner. The issue made it all the way in front of Congress due in large part to the passionate backing of several important filmmakers. Eventually, their efforts helped to establish the National Film Registry which, to this day, takes historically significant films and preserves them in their natural state forever. On March 3rd 1988, George Lucas was one of those people who were against the colorization of black and white films and made this speech.


My name is George Lucas. I am a writer, director, and producer of motion pictures and Chairman of the Board of Lucasfilm Ltd., a multi-faceted entertainment corporation.

I am not here today as a writer-director, or as a producer, or as the chairman of a corporation. I’ve come as a citizen of what I believe to be a great society that is in need of a moral anchor to help define and protect its intellectual and cultural heritage. It is not being protected.The destruction of our film heritage, which is the focus of concern today, is only the tip of the iceberg. American law does not protect our painters, sculptors, recording artists, authors, or filmmakers from having their lifework distorted, and their reputation ruined. If something is not done now to clearly state the moral rights of artists, current and future technologies will alter, mutilate, and destroy for future generations the subtle human truths and highest human feeling that talented individuals within our society have created.American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.

People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as “when life begins” or “when it should be appropriately terminated,” but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.

These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tomorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with “fresher faces,” or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor’s lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new “original” negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.

In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.

There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or egotistical gangsters and having them change our cultural heritage to suit their personal taste.

I accuse the companies and groups, who say that American law is sufficient, of misleading the Congress and the People for their own economic self-interest.

I accuse the corporations, who oppose the moral rights of the artist, of being dishonest and insensitive to American cultural heritage and of being interested only in their quarterly bottom line, and not in the long-term interest of the Nation.

The public’s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests. And the proof of that is that even a copyright law only permits the creators and their estate a limited amount of time to enjoy the economic fruits of that work.

There are those who say American law is sufficient. That’s an outrage! It’s not sufficient! If it were sufficient, why would I be here? Why would John Houston have been so studiously ignored when he protested the colorization of “The Maltese Falcon?” Why are films cut up and butchered?

Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.

I hope you have the courage to lead America in acknowledging the importance of American art to the human race, and accord the proper protection for the creators of that art–as it is accorded them in much of the rest of the world communities.
 
Wow, that's some absolutely ridiculous controversy. People can do whatever they want to the works of art they own. Especially when we're talking about films, which can actually be changed and preserved at the same time.
 
Vader's Noooo! at the end of JEDI and Hayden as the force ghost are more recent changes for the DVD/Blu Ray versions of the films (Along with the better Yoda for TPM). Lucas really couldn't stop tinkering with the films until the Disney sale.


I wonder if there's a few Star Wars fans out there who want the original theatrical 1997 Special Editions on DVD or Blu-ray, or the original theatrical cut of TPM? There's even some changes to AOTC and ROTS, although not really that big (There's an extra bit of dialogue at the end of AOTC's confession scene, and a small edit in ROTS).
 
I thought the new disney versions were worst - for example, the way that when they run into Pig Noise in Mos Eisley and instead of saying "my friend doesn't like you" he says "My friend doesn't like high prices which is why pre-paying for a disneyworld pass saved him money" and then they discuss which ride is the best is just stupid.
 
This reminds me, I bought the blu ray collection but only watched ANH and ESB. I gotta go back and watch the rest!!!
 
Who's with me on wanting the unmolested and untouched and unedited versions of the classic trilogy on blu-ray now that Lucas has retired/no longer in charge of his studios?

I think our memory is a powerful thing but not always right in what it is remembering. I have a feeling that there are a bunch of folks that want this (me included) that will probably be let down when they finally get it.
 
I alsp prefer the special editions. I even have the pre-special edition VHS's, and I don't like them as much as the special edition VHS version. Too much stuff I like is left out (like Biggs/Luke's extra scene before the deathstar run in A new Hope), and things like Cloud City don't look as cool. I haven't actually seen the original trilogy on DVD so I don't know how I'd feel about further changes, but I consider the 90s Special editions to be my favorite version, even if a few things (like the nightmare inducing Jabba in A new Hope) aren't done well.
 
Vader's Noooo! at the end of JEDI and Hayden as the force ghost are more recent changes for the DVD/Blu Ray versions of the films (Along with the better Yoda for TPM). Lucas really couldn't stop tinkering with the films until the Disney sale.

This speak to Lucas' philosophy about filmmaking, that great films are never completed, they are just forgotten (or something like that. I'll have to find the exact quote when he started on the Special Edition).

Lucas never seemed satisfied with the final product in the OT and constantly feels the need to try and demonstrate what he really wanted to show in the 70s now when he has the money and resource.

Who's with me on wanting the unmolested and untouched and unedited versions of the classic trilogy on blu-ray now that Lucas has retired/no longer in charge of his studios?

I think our memory is a powerful thing but not always right in what it is remembering. I have a feeling that there are a bunch of folks that want this (me included) that will probably be let down when they finally get it.

I agree. I enjoy the original cut, and have them on VHS because I like them. But, the SE is more enjoyable to me.
 
Not having a terribly modern home theater setup, the laserdisc versions that were included as extras on the DVD set from around 10 years ago are my preferred way of viewing the OT.
 
I wonder if there's a few Star Wars fans out there who want the original theatrical 1997 Special Editions on DVD or Blu-ray, or the original theatrical cut of TPM? There's even some changes to AOTC and ROTS, although not really that big (There's an extra bit of dialogue at the end of AOTC's confession scene, and a small edit in ROTS).
There are a few people, yeah, if some of the posts and projects on originaltrilogy are accounted for.

Not many, though.
 
"moral rights of the artist"


That right there basically stops all serious rants against Lucas over Star Wars. He is the artist in question. Not some guy altering someone else's work. It is his story. His work. His films.

His problem is that he can't leave it at "good enough", like several painters that constantly want to touch up their art. Even when it is on display. Lucas' other problem is that he looks at his works in the technical sense, rather than the story sense, and does tweaks here and there that alter the intent of a scene. Mark Hamill called him on that when they added the scream to Luke falling on Cloud City (it was only on one version of the film. They took it out the next time around). Sort of like how Klingon makeup changes every year in Star Trek, so that you can still which season it is my looking at Worf or B'elanna. The artist couldn't stop tweeking his work, even if it made the characters look different in a feature that should always look the same.
 
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