Avengers: Age of Ultron- Grading & Discussion (spoilerific)
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Baron Zemo will be the antagonist in Civil War not Tony, but it's easy to why people could see Tony as the baddie.
Quite the contrary, that ending is likely deliberate setup. Cap and Stark taking opposing sides will be stronger if they used to be friends.
"Tapping out" and "throwing in the towel" are not the same. "Throwing in the towel" is giving up, "tapping out" is needing to take a break. Tony's not giving up being a superhero, he's letting Cap take the lead for a while.
That was the impression I got. Tony realized he made a huge mistake and needed some time to reassess. We never really got to see his guilt for creating Ultron, but likely that will be a factor in The Avengers: Civil War coming out next year.
This is how I took it too. I think that's going to be one of the driving forces behind his actions in Civil War and will lead to their split. You could see it in AOU.
I thought so too, but to be sure I looked it up and as it turns out they are the same thing. Tapping out is to wrestling what throwing in the towel is to boxing. I think what we're all actually thinking of is "tagging in/out", which is a tag-team thing.
It is a little confusing since "throwing in the towel" is by far the more commonly used idiom.
Of course the script writer could also be under the same misapprehension, so who knows?
For the time being I'm thinking Tony has stepped back from Iron Man to start taking a more philanthropic approach, possibly via Washington. I mean he has the resources to public profile to be a terrifyingly effective political operator, which would be a good way of planting him in opposition to Cap when Civil War's inciting incident occurs.
Wrestling being an amateur sport with the winner only needing to get both shoulders on the ground really doesn't have a surrender I quit motion. "Tapping out" in today's language comes from the mixed martial arts world with their tap out inspired clothing lines saying that even if you didn't knock someone out, as in boxing, you forced your opponent to give up to saving himself from a gruesome injury. "Tagging out" comes from professional sports entertainment tag team matches, it allows a fresh performer to be before the audience sort of like a fresh hockey line coming in with constant attacking versus a soccer team which is more of an endurance contest with spurts of activity
^Thanks, I think I can grasp how tag-team matches work.
IIRC the general thing to do in competitive Olympic style wresting (i.e. *not* choreographed kind) is to just say "submit", or if they're unable to speak, to tap the floor. I think Judo works more or less the same and no doubt it varies from sport to sport but the idea is basically the same. "Throwing in the towel" on the other hand is exclusively a western boxing thing, hence it's historic prevalence.
But whatever. Either way, Stark is out for now and of course we know he'll be back as Iron Man in IW 1&2 though perhaps not Civil War. We'll have to wait and see.
IIRC the general thing to do in competitive Olympic style wresting (i.e. *not* choreographed kind) is to just say "submit", or if they're unable to speak, to tap the floor. I think Judo works more or less the same and no doubt it varies from sport to sport but the idea is basically the same. "Throwing in the towel" on the other hand is exclusively a western boxing thing, hence it's historic prevalence.
But whatever. Either way, Stark is out for now and of course we know he'll be back as Iron Man in IW 1&2 though perhaps not Civil War. We'll have to wait and see.
I did the Korean martial art Tang So Do for a few years, and when we did holds when we had enough we slapped our leg.
I saw the film today.
I will start with the disclaimer that I'm not a huge comic book fan, and I don't know a whole lot about the Marvel universe, but I liked the first Avengers and I'm a fan of Wheadon.
I thought this movie was meh. The action scenes looked cool but the action wasn't that interesting or well executed especially compared to the first movie. I mention the action first because if the story was boring but the action was cool it would still be a good action movie. This movie however fell into that modern action movie trap of everything happening in the form of grand gestures that result in massive waves of destruction that showcase the CGI, which is very boring.
The story lacked the clever Wheadonisms that made the first entertaining, and they tried to cram in so much character development that it seemed like they kept pulling story elements out of nowhere. I don't know if they were pulling in story threads that only people who follow the entire Marvel universe would recognize, but that's not good storytelling.
The visual design of the movie was cool, but otherwise it was just another bloated CGI picture that made okay use of well established characters.
I will start with the disclaimer that I'm not a huge comic book fan, and I don't know a whole lot about the Marvel universe, but I liked the first Avengers and I'm a fan of Wheadon.
I thought this movie was meh. The action scenes looked cool but the action wasn't that interesting or well executed especially compared to the first movie. I mention the action first because if the story was boring but the action was cool it would still be a good action movie. This movie however fell into that modern action movie trap of everything happening in the form of grand gestures that result in massive waves of destruction that showcase the CGI, which is very boring.
The story lacked the clever Wheadonisms that made the first entertaining, and they tried to cram in so much character development that it seemed like they kept pulling story elements out of nowhere. I don't know if they were pulling in story threads that only people who follow the entire Marvel universe would recognize, but that's not good storytelling.
The visual design of the movie was cool, but otherwise it was just another bloated CGI picture that made okay use of well established characters.
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