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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Reverend said:
Trekker4747 said:
Reverend said:
I'm not discounting the possibility, but I'd rather the second Guardians movie not have an infinity stone as the Macguffin twice in a row.

Plus the last we saw of Thor he was determined to figure out what's going on out there, so it's also a strong possibility that Thor 3 might figure into it somehow.

Honestly though, I think it pretty much has to be either Captain Marvel or Infinity War itself.
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I'd argue the Infinity Gems aren't MacGuffins. MacGuffins are things the characters in a movie or show seek for no other reason than the plot demands it. MacGuffins are often looked over, dismissed or are otherwise ultimately unimportant to what is going on. They're an excuse for things to happen, not strictly a "reason" for it. The best example(s) comes from the later seasons of 24 where the goal of the season (or a segment of the season) was to get hands on some object that could mean potential danger to the country. It didn't strictly matter what it was to the point where in those later seasons the object/goal constantly shifted around, it was just an excuse for the characters to have something to do.

In the Marvel movies so-far all of the movies centered around an Infinity Gem the gem served a plot purpose and posed a real threat that was the focus through the entire movie; and, further, we know it. The Infinity Gems serve an even greater purpose in the overall MCU through the last two Avenger movies.

So while re-using an Infinity Gem in the second GotG movie would certainly be derivative we know there's a greater point behind it other than it just being an excuse to have things happen so it's not a MacGuffin.
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My counter argument would be that while yes, the stones are important in a larger sense, taking the individual movies on their own, they're still functionally MacGuffins. Did it matter to Rogers that Tesseract was a cosmic device from beyond time and space? No, it was a thing his enemy acquired to further his power. Cap's interest in it began and ended (in that movie) with getting it out of the Red Skull's hands.

Likewise the Aether was just a reason for Jane to be at all involved in the plot and the Orb one could argue was the quintessential MacGuffin in a heist/caper movie. In short, they only become meaningful in the larger context of the MCU, but then you could just as easily say that even in that context, they're simply components of a larger MacGuffin (the gauntlet) who's only purpose is to put every hero in the MCU on a collision course with Thanos for the Infinity Wars.

To that end, having a second one appear in GotG2 would be redundant. They're already involved in that plot so it makes more sense to the remaining two to instead tie-in at least two of the new Phase 3 heroes. Strange is a no-brainer and Captain Marvel seems the most likely of the remaining possibilities.
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I wouldn't call the infinity stones MacGuffins simply because the movies are designed to be watched together. If one were to only watch the Captain America movies, the second one wouldn't make since. Why would CA trust Shield so quickly? Who's this Stark who made their repulsor tech? I wouldn't call those MacGuffins either but by your rationale, they would be too. The MCU's continuity is the story itself.
 
DWF said:
The Captain Marvel movie comes out after Infinity War part I so it's unlikely her storyline would involve an infinity gem. It's more likely another one would appear in GOTG2 since the earthbound storylines outside of Thor won't be dealing with Thanos and the gauntlet. As of yet nobody knows that it's Thanos who's the puppet master in getting the gems, Thor knows something's going on now but not who's behind it all.
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I don't see how that precludes it. If the MCU continues to progress in real time then Captain Marvel happening between the two Infinity War movies could be very intentional. For all we know they're planning on introducing Danvers as a non-powered character in Civil War or Infinity War Part 1 and the CM movie will pick up a thread and carry it through to Infinity War Part 2.
 
Reverend said:
DWF said:
The Captain Marvel movie comes out after Infinity War part I so it's unlikely her storyline would involve an infinity gem. It's more likely another one would appear in GOTG2 since the earthbound storylines outside of Thor won't be dealing with Thanos and the gauntlet. As of yet nobody knows that it's Thanos who's the puppet master in getting the gems, Thor knows something's going on now but not who's behind it all.
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I don't see how that precludes it. If the MCU continues to progress in real time then Captain Marvel happening between the two Infinity War movies could be very intentional. For all we know they're planning on introducing Danvers as a non-powered character in Civil War or Infinity War Part 1 and the CM movie will pick up a thread and carry it through to Infinity War Part 2.
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But by you're way of thinking one of the gems will be in the Captain Marvel movie and I do think Thanos will have the gauntlet together by then.
 
DWF said:
Reverend said:
DWF said:
The Captain Marvel movie comes out after Infinity War part I so it's unlikely her storyline would involve an infinity gem. It's more likely another one would appear in GOTG2 since the earthbound storylines outside of Thor won't be dealing with Thanos and the gauntlet. As of yet nobody knows that it's Thanos who's the puppet master in getting the gems, Thor knows something's going on now but not who's behind it all.
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I don't see how that precludes it. If the MCU continues to progress in real time then Captain Marvel happening between the two Infinity War movies could be very intentional. For all we know they're planning on introducing Danvers as a non-powered character in Civil War or Infinity War Part 1 and the CM movie will pick up a thread and carry it through to Infinity War Part 2.
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But by you're way of thinking one of the gems will be in the Captain Marvel movie and I do think Thanos will have the gauntlet together by then.
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It really depends on how they structure it. From what I gather most of the comic book story consists of the heroes running around all of creation trying to stop Thanos from assembling gems and the gauntlet. Once he has it you're pretty much into end-game territory, so it makes more sense to me for that to happen in part 2.

It would also account for splitting the movie into two parts and have there being a stretch of time between the two if a bunch of the main characters are actively out there fighting this universe wide war and the Captain Marvel movie shows a part of that, centred around Danvers.

Indeed, I'm just guessing but I'm thinking the war will actually start with Thor: Ragnarok. The Asgardians are by far the most powerful group we've seen that could possibly oppose Thanos, so it'd make sense that he'd try and take them out in the opening salvo. Plus of course, they have the Tesseract somewhere in their vaults.

It's really not all that different an approach as the Captain America movies which have to date functioned as almost direct follow-ons or lead ins for the Avengers movie. TFA established what the Tesseract is, introduced Cap and left him in the present with Nick Fury, which is follows almost directly into Avengers. Then you have Winter Solder that prominently features SHIELD, the more direct consequences of the Avengers movie and then Age of Ultron picks right up showing the "final" defeat of Hydra. Next up is Civil War which we can only assume picks up a bunch of threads from AoU and carries them forwards.
 
Doctorwhovian said:
I'm curious who owns the character of Warlock filmwise.

I'm presuming that like Ronan, the Kree, Black Panther, and the Inhumans, despite debuting/appearing in the Fantastic Four comics and often being a large part of their lore (Crystal, for instance, has been a member of the FF a few times), they're not included in Fox's deal, which seems to mainly consist of the FF themselves, Doctor Doom, Mole Man, Galactus and the Silver Surfer, Frankie Raye, Alicia Masters as well as some other characters (Not sure about the Skrulls).


Although the Warlock character seen in those FF issues ("Him"), and what later became of the character, are very different interpetations.
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My guess is Adam Warlock is Marvel (he's got close ties to the Guardians of the Galaxy and other galactic stuff). Origin is ultimately less important.

Warlock the alien associated with the New Mutants belongs to Fox, though.
 
Reverend said:
DWF said:
Reverend said:
I don't see how that precludes it. If the MCU continues to progress in real time then Captain Marvel happening between the two Infinity War movies could be very intentional. For all we know they're planning on introducing Danvers as a non-powered character in Civil War or Infinity War Part 1 and the CM movie will pick up a thread and carry it through to Infinity War Part 2.
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But by you're way of thinking one of the gems will be in the Captain Marvel movie and I do think Thanos will have the gauntlet together by then.
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It really depends on how they structure it. From what I gather most of the comic book story consists of the heroes running around all of creation trying to stop Thanos from assembling gems and the gauntlet. Once he has it you're pretty much into end-game territory, so it makes more sense to me for that to happen in part 2.

It would also account for splitting the movie into two parts and have there being a stretch of time between the two if a bunch of the main characters are actively out there fighting this universe wide war and the Captain Marvel movie shows a part of that, centred around Danvers.

Indeed, I'm just guessing but I'm thinking the war will actually start with Thor: Ragnarok. The Asgardians are by far the most powerful group we've seen that could possibly oppose Thanos, so it'd make sense that he'd try and take them out in the opening salvo. Plus of course, they have the Tesseract somewhere in their vaults.

It's really not all that different an approach as the Captain America movies which have to date functioned as almost direct follow-ons or lead ins for the Avengers movie. TFA established what the Tesseract is, introduced Cap and left him in the present with Nick Fury, which is follows almost directly into Avengers. Then you have Winter Solder that prominently features SHIELD, the more direct consequences of the Avengers movie and then Age of Ultron picks right up showing the "final" defeat of Hydra. Next up is Civil War which we can only assume picks up a bunch of threads from AoU and carries them forwards.
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No, that's not what happened in the comic book six parter at all. Death brought Thanos bck to life in Silver Surfer #34 to kill half of all life in the universe, Thanos after getting of the Surfer for a while gathered the gems and made the gauntlet. The Surfer eventually made his way to earth to warn everybody and try to raise some defence against Thanos. Adam Warlock was raised from the dead and lead the batle against Thanos. The collectesd heroes, what was left of them battled Thanos in issue #4 and lost, Thanos then fought the cosmic beings of the Marvel universe and beat them as well.

I'm sure that Thor: Raganok will play a part in the overall storyline, but it's the Guardians who're really on the front line of the battle against Thanos. But I do think the two part Infinity War storyline will be continuous for the characters in the storyline, unless Carol Danvers is in part one she more than likely won't play a part in part two.
 
I could see Infinity Wars P1 ending with Thanos destroying the Vision to assemble the Guantlet, but terrorising the Federation and attempting to make the Kree bow to him first.

Part 2 would be him battling the Avengers on Earth, or them being taken to the far side of the galaxy for the showdown.

So there could be a gap in-universe between 1 and 2 where other movies are happening, people living in fear of the stones coming to Earth.

I could see there being more motivation for people to hero up, the new characters coming in that way.
 
Relayer1 said:
Mr Light said:
$500 million per movie? Come on. The most expensive movie ever made is what $250 million?
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And this is how the Marvel franchise dies...
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At 500 million each, assuming both parts only made what AoU made, both would still more than double their budgets. People having been declaring the "death of the Marvel franchise" for years, and they haven't been right yet. I'm sure Infinity War will be far from the death of the MCU.
 
ONE BILLION DOLLARS!?!
I'm assuming EVERY Marvel character will be in these films? From X-Men to Hulk, from Jackman to Michael Douglas. Everyone. Seriously, how can they cost that much?
 
Mr Light said:
$500 million per movie? Come on. The most expensive movie ever made is what $250 million?
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Quite a few movies in recent years have been mentioned as costing in the $300 million range like The Lone Ranger and John Carter. Avatar was around $500 million. And then there are a few that were in pre-production for years or decades and kept being rebooted that ballooned up into that range.
 
They'll probably make at least $1.5 billion apiece (unless Marvel somehow completely falls off the rails between now and then), so... :shrug:
 
Avatar's budget was 237 mil.
Lone Ranger was 225 mil.
Pirates 3 was 300 mil.

With a production budget of $300 million, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End was the most expensive film ever made at the time of its release, even after adjusting for inflation.

1 Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides 2011 *$378.5 [1][nb 1] 2 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End 2007 $300 [2][3][nb 2] 3 Avengers: Age of Ultron 2015 *$279.9 [4][nb 3] 4 John Carter 2012 *$263.7 [5][nb 4] 5 Tangled 2010 $260 [6][7][8][9] 6 Spider-Man 3 2007 *$258 [10] 7 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince 2009 $250 [11][12] The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies 2014 $250 [13] 9 Avatar 2009 *$237 [14][nb 5] 10 The Dark Knight Rises 2012 $230

Adjusted for Inflation:
1 Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides 2011 $397 *$378.5 [1][nb 1] 2 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End 2007 $341 $300 [2][3][nb 2] 3 Titanic 1997 $294 *$200 [40][41][42] 4 Spider-Man 3 2007 $293 *$258 [10] 5 Tangled 2010 $281 $260 [6][7][8][9] 6 Avengers: Age of Ultron 2015 $280 *$279.9 [4][nb 3] 7 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince 2009 $275 $250 [11][12] 8 John Carter 2012 $271 *$263.7 [5][nb 4] 9 Waterworld 1995 $266 *$172 [131][132][nb 26] 10 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest 2006 $263 $225 [2][18][nb 2] 11 Avatar 2009 $261 *$237 [14][nb 5]
 
I really, really don't understand how Half Blood Prince manages to be the 7th most expensive film of all time. There's hardly any action in it!
 
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