I am also very curious about that image of Barry in prison in the future. Its interesting on all the sites I follow I have seen no mention of that. Probably because there was so much info to digest in this single episode!
The Flash - Season 1
- Thread starter Agent Richard07
- Start date
I have a problem with the fact that Barry's gang approved of him going back in time and change history. It could have had unforeseeable, potentially catastrophic consequences on any of them. The fact that nobody but Barry and Stein (not even Cisco, a supposed scientific genius) had a serious problem with this made the whole thing kinda unbelievable.
It was otherwise a pretty good final, to a pretty damn great season.
It was otherwise a pretty good final, to a pretty damn great season.
It's the clash of plot and character - at some stage, Barry had to go back, where this falls down (as you say) is where everyone stands around saying "well you might die and kill everyone but go for it dude".
I think it would have ended better had everyone disappeared at the end. Cisco would be the only one who remembers the altered timeline and he had to spend years or decades getting things back to the way he remembers. In essence Cisco would need to become like Thawne and manipulate everyone to achieve a desired result. Might have been a good little episode for Cisco.
Barry proved in this episode that he's worse than Thawne. Thawne is an evil sociopath. I would expect him to risk the world to get what he wants. But Barry is supposed to be the reverse of him. He's supposed to be a hero. But when he decided he had the right to risk the destruction of THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE because of his unimportant mommy issues, he became just as bad as Thawne. I would argue he became worse than him, because he should know better. But ultimately Barry hides his selfish disregard for human life behind his "nice guy" persona. He's under the delusion he's a hero but the finale proved he is anything but one.
Right. Unfortunately, if they'd done the sensible thing and decided "It's just too dangerous, let's stop," then there would've been no story.
Still, it could've been done better. They should've contrived some situation where Wells/Thawne set things up so that Barry had to go back, despite the risks, in order to save his friends or the city. Although with the whole world at stake, it's hard to imagine what would be a great enough incentive to justify taking that risk. Maybe, instead, a scenario where Barry is tricked into going back.
Still, there were some excellent dramatic scenes here, especially between Shipp and Gustin in the prison. That was a really moving performance from both of them.
It's cool that so many characters were featured and so much happened, but there were some real surprises. I wasn't expecting as much of a cliffhanger. So much is still unresolved. The big thing is that Henry's still in prison. That's been Barry's goal throughout the season, to exonerate him, so I'm surprised they let that dangle.
Also, as soon as Ronnie told Caitlin he was staying and wanted to marry her, I was thinking, "Ohh, that's why he isn't in Legends! He's totally gonna die!" And then he didn't. I wonder if maybe they were making us expect Ronnie was going to die so that we wouldn't see Eddie's death coming.
And man, I hope it's Sunday so those skyscrapers were empty. But I so hate it when FX artists have skyscrapers toppling over diagonally and maintaining their shape. Anyone who's ever seen a building demolition or footage from 9/11 should know better. Skyscrapers' support members aren't designed to handle sideways forces, just straight up-and-down forces. Tilt them more than a couple of degrees and they give way, and the building collapses nearly straight downward, the floors pancaking onto one another.
Did anyone notice whether the future Flash was in the updated costume from the newspaper?
You cannot expect Barry to be rational in this impossible, insane kind of situation. Try to picture yourself in his place. Someone murdered your mom, virtually in front of you. And as if that's not horrific enough, your dad, who had nothing to do with it, is thrown in prison, leaving you practically orphaned.
Now, the very idea of a wrongful imprisonment is absolutely terrifying. It is one of the gravest forms on misfortune / tragedy that can befall a human being, cruel beyond words.
Knowing that you're loved one is locked up (and would remain so for years to come, if not
indefinitely) despite not having done anything wrong can drive a person mad. Jesus Christ, just try to imagine Barry's pain.
All this considered makes him the least qualified person on the planet to make such a choice. Stein and Cisco should have been the ones to resolutely and decisively say no.
Flash's costume never quite grew on me. Looked ok in some early promo pics, but in action it looks shitty and cheap. Like, cosplay-level cheap. Professor Zoom's yellow suit looks much better, though.
Now, the very idea of a wrongful imprisonment is absolutely terrifying. It is one of the gravest forms on misfortune / tragedy that can befall a human being, cruel beyond words.
Knowing that you're loved one is locked up (and would remain so for years to come, if not
indefinitely) despite not having done anything wrong can drive a person mad. Jesus Christ, just try to imagine Barry's pain.
All this considered makes him the least qualified person on the planet to make such a choice. Stein and Cisco should have been the ones to resolutely and decisively say no.
I did. It's basically the same suit he wears in the present, only repainted (color corrected probably) and with a different emblem.
Flash's costume never quite grew on me. Looked ok in some early promo pics, but in action it looks shitty and cheap. Like, cosplay-level cheap. Professor Zoom's yellow suit looks much better, though.
It had an updated logo if that's what you mean - however (although I'm sure that the writers intend it to be "our" flash") that has to the flash from the 'original universe' right?
Because think about it - Wells goes back in time in the original timeline to kill Barry's mother and gets trapped because of how he changes time and thus has to 'recreate' the flash - surely that means the flash who chases him back there is *also* from his start point - like Wells does he also then vanish when time changes?
Yeah, after the potential end of the world revelation, I expected Barry and the team to write off their plan as too dangerous, leading to Wells breaking out and forcing the situation to happen. I wouldn't have gone with tricking Barry because Barry has already been tricked a lot this season. He really came across like a fool last week with Snart.
His friends continuing to support his plan was just insane and made them look like the worst kind of enablers.
Speaking of his friends, what was with the dumbing down of Caitlin? How does she not know what a singularity is? This episode unfortunately cemented the fact that Caitlin and Iris are little more than love interests on this show.
There were definitely a lot of great moments tonight. Victor Garber reminded me why Jack Bristow was one of my all-time favorite TV characters. He was gold tonight and he's going to be a great addition to Legends of Tomorrow. Wells and Cisco was wonderful (I laughed at Wells not apologizing about killing him because he was sure he had a good reason for that) and Barry and his father have always produced wonderful moments together. Though I'm pretty sure John Wesley Shipp was paid by the tear this season.
I couldn't disagree more. The Flash costume looks terrific and functional, while Zoom's suit looks cumbersome and rather ugly.
And there are lots of cosplayers out there who do brilliant work that could easily compete with professional designs. Using cosplay as an insult is just ignorant. Is all fan fiction equally bad? Of course not. Different fans create at different levels of skill -- some more amateurish, others good enough to go pro. That's as true of cosplay as it is of fan fiction, fan films, amateur comics, garage bands, or any other field of creativity done out of love.
I dunno if I'd go that far, but it was pretty weird for the two couples to be so excited about moving forward with their futures together at the same time that they were helping Barry prepare to eradicate their futures as they knew them. The writers didn't really think that through.
That did bug me, but isn't Caitlin a medical doctor rather than a physicist? Scientists do tend to be a lot more specialized than they're generally shown to be on TV; it's actually kind of refreshing to see a TV scientist who's an expert in one field and ignorant in others.
I grew to loathe Jack Bristow as Alias went on, but that was always due to the writing, never the acting. I think Garber's a fantastic actor and I'm thrilled that he'll be one of the stars of LoT.
De gustibus non est disputandum, my friend.
Boy, you really are easily offended, aren't you?
This has to be like third of fourth time you've attacked me this year. Chill out, I mean no harm. Jesus.
I thought the finale was great. I totally thought they were going to go with "Barry changes time, messes up the present, and has to go back and fix it", so I was surprised when he let the events happen. The scene with Barry and his dying mother was sad, and done well. I do think barry was a bit stupoid to even consider screwing up time that badly, but I get it when it comes to the character. I was surprised by eddie's death, it was something I'd thought about as a way to defeat Wells, but didn't think would happen. The ending was awesome, Barry running to go close a black hole had my jaw dropped. The wait until season two is going to be very painful.
As for some of the weird things we saw, Jay Garrick's helmet was really cool. I hope we see something come of it eventually.
As for some of the weird things we saw, Jay Garrick's helmet was really cool. I hope we see something come of it eventually.
It was also seen in the "Legends of Tomorrow" preview.
that's just the same footage from a different angle.
Yeah, he could show back up as a plastic centurion? Would give him something to talk about with Rip Hunter, I guess.
I wasn't attacking you. I was defending cosplayers.
That bothered me, too. Once destroying the planet becomes a very real possibility, you write off the whole mission as too risky.
But I'm inclined to give the characters a pass and write it off as some clunky story construction. In an ideal world, they probably should have had Wells reveal the possibility of accidentally creating a singularity AFTER the mission was already underway.
"Oh, did I forget to mention . . . "
Otherwise, fun episode.
I wasn't attacking cosplayers, I was... Ahem, casually generalizing. I've seen some amazingly crafted costumes at conventions myself (there's this brilliant chick from Zagreb who does mindblowing stuff, Amidala, steampunk, you name it), but generally... When someone says "cosplay" the first thought that comes to my mind is that Hello Kitty Darth Vader.
I apologize to any cosplaying board member who might have taken offense, none was intended.
Now, if I were in charge of redesigning the Flash, I'd go with something like...
But that would require some bulking up on Grant's part. I don't think he'd mind.
yeap, and I'm sure they had that happen to give them exactly that sort of out.
