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What to do with Khan? (and other thoughts)

They have to bring Khan back to fight the Doomsday Machine...

...which, they will discover, was built tens of thousands of years ago in Andromeda by a mad Jedi scientist named Luke and his padwan, Jar Jar, to bring order to the Galaxy and put an end to this terrible war....
 
Assuming the movies will still be based on the NuTrek-verse, what should be done with Khan? Just keep him on ice permanently? bTW, it's too bad that Khan in STiD was really Khan, and not Joachim who proclaimed himself as Khan, thinking that Noonian Singh was murdered by Adm. Marcus (and after credits scene would have fixed all this, with the camera panning from a slipping Khan to a tube with the name "Singh, Noonian" stenciled on it, before fading to black.

Personally, I think having NuKhan would have worked if the set-up was better (i.e. have a villain in the second NuTrek film, maybe Captain Garth of Izar, before it is revealed that the head of Section 31 was the real Khan Noonian Singh, who managed to take over S31, and is slowly subverting the Federation from the inside out) This would explain the more militarized look of Starfleet. But, I digress...

I would say just keep him on ice. If the 3rd movie is indeed the last or the last for a long while I would like to see them explore deep space. Having Khan in the 3rd would take away from that.
 
Exactly who decided to keep Khan in stasis indefinitely? Starfleet? The Federation? An Earth world government decision? A Court of Law?

Is this a standard form of detention in the nuFederation? or is this just meant for this select group? We've seen there are planetary facilities for reformation of criminals and/or mentally disturbed individuals in TOS. I would argue that Khan's actions in nuTrek should have relegated him to such a planetary facility.

But what of the others? They remained in stasis, therefore do they warrant being blindly judged? Or were each one removed from stasis and separately evaluated? If so, again, placing them all back into stasis is extraordinary. Certainly the Federation would strive to reform all of Botany Bay's occupants, instead of throwing them back into the frozen trashbin.
 
Is this a standard form of detention in the nuFederation? or is this just meant for this select group? We've seen there are planetary facilities for reformation of criminals and/or mentally disturbed individuals in TOS. I would argue that Khan's actions in nuTrek should have relegated him to such a planetary facility.

And *I* would argue that Khan and his ilk are so uniquely dangerous that they probably cannot BE reformed.

But what of the others? They remained in stasis, therefore do they warrant being blindly judged?

The others weren't judged. They were in the exact same condition at the end of the film as they were at the start.

Think of it this way: Why do they deserve to wake up? You've seen what ONE Augment can do if left unchecked. You want to risk waking them ALL up? Who knows what kind of havoc they could wreak? Remember, they believed in the total genocide of anyone who didn't measure up to their standards. That sound like something you'd want to let loose on the Federation?
 
Bobble head Khan?

There is one unanswered question from this movie.

Does this mean that Kirk is now a genetically modified human, no different than Khan?

I would like to see this issue explored and answered.
 
Bobble head Khan?

There is one unanswered question from this movie.

Does this mean that Kirk is now a genetically modified human, no different than Khan?

I would like to see this issue explored and answered.
I don't think the blood would transform Kirk on the genetic level.
 
I could perhaps see that plot being interesting, maybe in a manner somewhat reminiscent of "The Enemy Within"...but I also suspect it's not going to come up, and I kind of hope they don't go in that direction.
 
Remake of II? Bullshit. Other than having a couple of "guest" characters in common, there was really nothing in common between STID and ST:TWoK storywise.

Agreed. WOK provides the barest skeleton of the story.

White Khan? Lotsa ties between India and England, with plenty of Indian upper-class males getting Oxford educated, meeting nice Brit girls while at school, followed by marriage and cranking out a lots of offspring who are pretty darn Cumberbatchy. There's nowhere near the sort of relationship between India and Mexico, so far less likelihood of Indian royalty producing many offspring who are even remotely Montalbaesque. It would have been nice to use an actual Indian in the role, but barring that, an Englishman is far superior a choice for the character than a Hispanic.
As I've already surmised, Khan most likely was brown at first (c.f. the events mentioned in the Star Trek: Khan comic book) and while in the future, he was given plastic surgery to change his looks, and also a partial memory wipe, so as not to arouse suspicion if seen because he was most likely a wanted war criminal. Real world exclamation-he was white this time because the writers and producers didn't want to cast a brown-skinned man as Khan for fears of stoking racism over terrorism (Osama Bin Laden and all that) in 2013.

Worst Movie Ever Poll?

People mistake a bunch of fans at a convention for the majority of fans (and casual moviegoers) that went to see Into Darkness and make it a success? They must be smoking something (and no, I don't want to smoke it.) Many of the people objecting just want to live in a nostalgia loop consisting of TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, & Enterprise (the last two shows ironically being the ones they hated so much, but they love now) and expect the rest of us to hate the new movies too. Hypocrites.

Orci backlash? The vast bulk of the audience wasn't aware of it, and it affected their acceptance and enjoyment of the film, and the box office take, not one iota.
Again, they're full of it, and imagining things.

Doubt the studio would want to bring him back, ever? Who, Khan or Orci? 'Cause I don't see anything about the former that would give the studio cause to not revisit the character, and if ya mean Orci... well, the studio keeps sending plenty of work his way, so the idea of "not bringing him back" is something of a misnomer from the get-go, innit?
Orci and & Kurtzman and two of the hottest things in TV and movies right now (Hawaii Five-O, The Transformers animated show, Lost) and for the ones who hate the new movies to say this...again, that's down to the stuff that they're smoking that I don't want. Who would these people want to do a Star Trek show anyway?

I'll bet that Khan and his people were frozen, placed back aboard a small (robot) starship (a Conestoga-class one, and with a memory bank that could erase itself at the end of the journey , and sent to a distant planet (Ceti Alpha V, perhaps) where once it landed, its deuterium fuel would give out, leaving them with no way to get off of the planet at all, and with only very low tech (by 23rd century standards) for use in their survival (and no subspace radio.)
 
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Remake of II? Bullshit. Other than having a couple of "guest" characters in common, there was really nothing in common between STID and ST:TWoK storywise.

Agreed. WOK provides the barest skeleton of the story.

White Khan? Lotsa ties between India and England, with plenty of Indian upper-class males getting Oxford educated, meeting nice Brit girls while at school, followed by marriage and cranking out a lots of offspring who are pretty darn Cumberbatchy. There's nowhere near the sort of relationship between India and Mexico, so far less likelihood of Indian royalty producing many offspring who are even remotely Montalbaesque. It would have been nice to use an actual Indian in the role, but barring that, an Englishman is far superior a choice for the character than a Hispanic.
As I've already surmised, Khan most likely was brown at first (c.f. the events mentioned in the Star Trek: Khan comic book) and while in the future, he was given plastic surgery to change his looks, and also a partial memory wipe, so as not to arouse suspicion if seen because he was most likely a wanted war criminal. Real world exclamation-he was white this time because the writers and producers didn't want to cast a brown-skinned man as Khan for fears of stoking racism over terrorism (Osama Bin Laden and all that) in 2013.

Worst Movie Ever Poll?

People mistake a bunch of fans at a convention for the majority of fans (and casual moviegoers) that went to see Into Darkness and make it a success? They must be smoking something (and no, I don't want to smoke it.) Many of the people objecting just want to live in a nostalgia loop consisting of TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, & Enterprise (the last two shows ironically being the ones they hated so much, but they love now) and expect the rest of us to hate the new movies too. Hypocrites.


Orci backlash? The vast bulk of the audience wasn't aware of it, and it affected their acceptance and enjoyment of the film, and the box office take, not one iota.
Again, they're full of it, and imagining things.

Doubt the studio would want to bring him back, ever? Who, Khan or Orci? 'Cause I don't see anything about the former that would give the studio cause to not revisit the character, and if ya mean Orci... well, the studio keeps sending plenty of work his way, so the idea of "not bringing him back" is something of a misnomer from the get-go, innit?
Orci and & Kurtzman and two of the hottest things in TV and movies right now (Hawaii Five-O, The Transformers animated show, Lost) and for the ones who hate the new movies to say this...again, that's down to the stuff that they're smoking that I don't want. Who would these people want to do a Star Trek show anyway?
How is the WOK the barest skeleton of a story. In terms of using a white Englishman as Khan I think it was a mistake to do that. Yeah they did it to be politically correct but he was a boring character compared to Ricardos bombastic version in my opinion of course. I go to conventions a lot and have seen convention goers earing a 1980s version Khan costumes but have yet to see a Cumberpatch Khan costume out there.
 
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Assuming the movies will still be based on the NuTrek-verse, what should be done with Khan? Just keep him on ice permanently? bTW, it's too bad that Khan in STiD was really Khan, and not Joachim who proclaimed himself as Khan, thinking that Noonian Singh was murdered by Adm. Marcus (and after credits scene would have fixed all this, with the camera panning from a slipping Khan to a tube with the name "Singh, Noonian" stenciled on it, before fading to black.

Personally, I think having NuKhan would have worked if the set-up was better (i.e. have a villain in the second NuTrek film, maybe Captain Garth of Izar, before it is revealed that the head of Section 31 was the real Khan Noonian Singh, who managed to take over S31, and is slowly subverting the Federation from the inside out) This would explain the more militarized look of Starfleet. But, I digress...

I've thought something similar where maybe though they had a flashback of when Marcus or some other crew working for Marcus finds the Botany Bay, and when they open Khan's pod he dies, like he was going to do in the original "Space Seed". And the next pod that opened up, that would be the character played by Cumberbatch. It could honor Khan and "Space Seed" while giving the new crew their own enemy to fight. And that scenario would've made Harrison perhaps even more determined to save his 'family' since their leader was dead and it was now on his shoulders. And it would've counted for the personality differences between Cumberbatch and Montalban's takes on Khan.

In my version there would be no nuKhan. Khan would've died and the enemy from that point forward would be Harrison.
 
^The only problem with that is, as neat as it would be having Khan die, and have Cumberbatch play Khan's second in command, John Harrison, this message board would be inundated with countless threads asking "WTF didn't they just use KAHN?!" or "Why did they kill KAHN?" or "Wouldn't Benedict Cumberpatch have made an awesome KAHN?" :rolleyes:
 
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