Time Travel? Other Universe?
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I like to think one of the Enterprise's in Parallels was from the Abrams universe
Nah, if the Enterprise D from the Abramsverse showed up in Parallels you'd recognize it by the fact it would dwarf all the other Enterprises combined in that scene and it would be generating its own lens flares, of course.
There hasn't been a firm consensus, certainly nothing established on screen, but there *is* a train of thought in the fandom that certain things in the JJTrek-verse were already different even before Nero's incursion. One which EAS has explored in detail is Chekov, who (it turns out) probably can't be a 1:1 of 'our' Chekov, as the ages are straight out wrong (so, at the very least, Mommy and Daddy Chekov in the JJ-verse must have had their child several years apart from their Prime seves, albeit they still named him Pavel, but he probably isn't actually biologically the same person in both universes, unlike some of the other characters who might still be effectively the same guy or gal as their Prime universe self despite any changes).
Maybe the Narada and the Jellyfish both managed to not only cross backwards in time, but also *sidewards* in space? Who knows, maybe due to the 'wildcard' that was the Red Matter being involved, if this isn't exactly what happened.
I have thought in similar lines but according to the movie the time travel created the NuTrek universe. I wish that the producers would have explained it as Nero changing a alternate universes path that was similar to TOS in some respects(i.e. Kirks father never died) but already different in other ways.
I am not sure if Chekovs age is really different. The movie takes place about 10 years before TOS Trek. So if Chekov is 17 in NuTrek he would be about 27 in TOS which falls pretty close to how old Walter was in 1967 or TOS time 2067.
Well, Chekov says he is 22 in TOS season two 2067 ("Who Mourns For Adonis"), which would seem to make nuChekov about five years older than his prime counterpart. Like I say, ex astris scientia did an essay on this, and concluded that nuChekov must be a different person to Prime Chekov (albeit he shares the same name). No doubt he's got the same parents, but for whatever reason they had their child five years earlier than they did in the Prime timeline.
Sure, one might not say it makes much difference (both the Chekovs are named "Pavel Chekov" and have a Starfleet commission as an Ensign), but can we be sure that somebody born a whole five years apart in different quantum realities is actually biologically the same person in both of them?
It seems to me that nuChekov must logically be a different person to Prime Chekov, even if Momma and Poppa still named him Pavel.
The other characters, by and large, seem about the right kinds of ages, so we must assume they are 1:1 for their Prime counterparts. But Chekov... he's really a puzzle.
That seems overly complicated and unnecessary.There hasn't been a firm consensus, certainly nothing established on screen, but there *is* a train of thought in the fandom that certain things in the JJTrek-verse were already different even before Nero's incursion. One which EAS has explored in detail is Chekov, who (it turns out) probably can't be a 1:1 of 'our' Chekov, as the ages are straight out wrong (so, at the very least, Mommy and Daddy Chekov in the JJ-verse must have had their child several years apart from their Prime seves, albeit they still named him Pavel, but he probably isn't actually biologically the same person in both universes, unlike some of the other characters who might still be effectively the same guy or gal as their Prime universe self despite any changes).
Maybe the Narada and the Jellyfish both managed to not only cross backwards in time, but also *sidewards* in space? Who knows, maybe due to the 'wildcard' that was the Red Matter being involved, if this isn't exactly what happened.
I have thought in similar lines but according to the movie the time travel created the NuTrek universe. I wish that the producers would have explained it as Nero changing a alternate universes path that was similar to TOS in some respects(i.e. Kirks father never died) but already different in other ways.
Walter was playing much younger than his actual age.
He was 31 when that episode was filmed.Who Mourns For Adonais? said:
Sure, one might not say it makes much difference (both the Chekovs are named "Pavel Chekov" and have a Starfleet commission as an Ensign), but can we be sure that somebody born a whole five years apart in different quantum realities is actually biologically the same person in both of them?
This is the sort of question of identity for which philosophers get paid the big money, you know.
That seems overly complicated and unnecessary.There hasn't been a firm consensus, certainly nothing established on screen, but there *is* a train of thought in the fandom that certain things in the JJTrek-verse were already different even before Nero's incursion. One which EAS has explored in detail is Chekov, who (it turns out) probably can't be a 1:1 of 'our' Chekov, as the ages are straight out wrong (so, at the very least, Mommy and Daddy Chekov in the JJ-verse must have had their child several years apart from their Prime seves, albeit they still named him Pavel, but he probably isn't actually biologically the same person in both universes, unlike some of the other characters who might still be effectively the same guy or gal as their Prime universe self despite any changes).
Maybe the Narada and the Jellyfish both managed to not only cross backwards in time, but also *sidewards* in space? Who knows, maybe due to the 'wildcard' that was the Red Matter being involved, if this isn't exactly what happened.
I have thought in similar lines but according to the movie the time travel created the NuTrek universe. I wish that the producers would have explained it as Nero changing a alternate universes path that was similar to TOS in some respects(i.e. Kirks father never died) but already different in other ways.
Walter was playing much younger than his actual age.
He was 31 when that episode was filmed.Who Mourns For Adonais? said:
I don't think explaining time travel to a alternate universe would be overly complicated. Its not like having to explain calculus to movie goers.
If the ages of the two chekovs are different then he is a anomaly. The only thing I can think of is that his parents wanted to have a child 5 years earlier because of the Narda incident. Which of course makes absolutely no sense.
Complicated from a story sense not an "it's too hard" sense.
Or they had sex at a different time.
Not necessarily directly because of the Narada incident.
Off the top of my head, Chekov Prime may have experienced some relativistic time dilation which AU Chekov didn't (much like Janice Rand did in the novel "Enterprise: The First Adventure")
EDIT: Mytran got there first!
Or Chekov Prime was bullshitting, as with all his "Russian inwention" nonsense.
NuCheckov is a Wunderkid, and lied about his age, so, he could join at 12, claiming he was 17.
I'll take ovulating over dilating.
Place this in your "personal continuity" if you like.
INT. CHEKOV HOME MOSCOW
Lt. Andre Chekov enters, his face glum. His wife rises to meet him, surprised by his appearance.
Shock crosses Mrs. Chekov's face. She moves to comfort her husband.
Lt. Chekov slumps into a chair. Mrs. Chekov takes his hand.
A smile crosses her face. Lt Chekov stands, takes her hand and the two them cross to the bedroom.
INT. MOSCOW HOSPITAL ROOM-NINE MONTHS LATER
Mrs Chekov lies in bed, a new born baby at her breast. Lt. Chekov enters,his face beaming.
Place this in your "personal continuity" if you like.
INT. CHEKOV HOME MOSCOW
Lt. Andre Chekov enters, his face glum. His wife rises to meet him, surprised by his appearance.
MRS. CHEKOV
Andre, what are you doing here?
LT. CHEKOV
The ship I was assigned to, the Kelvin, has been destroyed.
Andre, what are you doing here?
LT. CHEKOV
The ship I was assigned to, the Kelvin, has been destroyed.
Shock crosses Mrs. Chekov's face. She moves to comfort her husband.
MRS. CHEKOV
This is horrible, Andre. Truly a loss. And I know how much you wanted to go on that mission.
LT. CHEKOV
I've been reassigned to Starfleet's Moscow annex.The five year mission program have been put on hold, indefinitely
. This is horrible, Andre. Truly a loss. And I know how much you wanted to go on that mission.
LT. CHEKOV
I've been reassigned to Starfleet's Moscow annex.The five year mission program have been put on hold, indefinitely
Lt. Chekov slumps into a chair. Mrs. Chekov takes his hand.
MRS.CHEKOV
I hate to see you so sad, Andre. Perhaps there is a way I could cheer you up.
I hate to see you so sad, Andre. Perhaps there is a way I could cheer you up.
A smile crosses her face. Lt Chekov stands, takes her hand and the two them cross to the bedroom.
FADE OUT
INT. MOSCOW HOSPITAL ROOM-NINE MONTHS LATER
Mrs Chekov lies in bed, a new born baby at her breast. Lt. Chekov enters,his face beaming.
MRS CHEKOV
Look,Andre. A son.We have a son!
LT. CHEKOV
But what shall we name him?
MRS CHEKOV
Pavel.You always said, if we had a son, we would name him Pavel.
LT. CHEKOV
Welcome to the world Pavel Andreievich Chekov!
Look,Andre. A son.We have a son!
LT. CHEKOV
But what shall we name him?
MRS CHEKOV
Pavel.You always said, if we had a son, we would name him Pavel.
LT. CHEKOV
Welcome to the world Pavel Andreievich Chekov!
FADE OUT
Are you seriously suggesting it's possible some people might have sex twice? With one time not having a child and the other time do having one? Un-possible!
I'll take ovulating over dilating.
Place this in your "personal continuity" if you like.
INT. CHEKOV HOME MOSCOW
Lt. Andre Chekov enters, his face glum. His wife rises to meet him, surprised by his appearance.
MRS. CHEKOV
Andre, what are you doing here?
LT. CHEKOV
The ship I was assigned to, the Kelvin, has been destroyed.
Shock crosses Mrs. Chekov's face. She moves to comfort her husband.
MRS. CHEKOV.
This is horrible, Andre. Truly a loss. And I know how much you wanted to go on that mission.
LT. CHEKOV
I've been reassigned to Starfleet's Moscow annex.The five year mission program have been put on hold, indefinitely
Lt. Chekov slumps into a chair. Mrs. Chekov takes his hand.
MRS.CHEKOV
I hate to see you so sad, Andre. Perhaps there is a way I could cheer you up.
A smile crosses her face. Lt Chekov stands, takes her hand and the two them cross to the bedroom.
FADE OUT
INT. MOSCOW HOSPITAL ROOM-NINE MONTHS LATER
Mrs Chekov lies in bed, a new born baby at her breast. Lt. Chekov enters,his face beaming.
MRS CHEKOV
Look,Andre. A son.We have a son!
LT. CHEKOV
But what shall we name him?
MRS CHEKOV
Pavel.You always said, if we had a son, we would name him Pavel.
LT. CHEKOV
Welcome to the world Pavel Andreievich Chekov!
FADE OUT
That wouldn't work because NuChekov is only about 5 years older than Prime Chekov. So it would have to have happened 5 years later not right after the inicident. Maybe Chekovs dad was a survivor of the Kelvin and 5 years after the incident hes having a nightmare about it and wakes up screaming. Mrs. Chekov then makes him forget about the Kelvin by giving him some relations. Presto we get Pavel earlier than expected.
^ My point still stands that, unlike most of the other characters in the AU (we assume), Chekov is actually a completely different person in each universe, who only happens to share the same name (presumably because the Chekovs were going to name their son 'Pavel' no matter when he was born) and occupation (presumably a coincidence). Sure, 'Pavel Chekov' is 'Pavel Chekov', but can two babies born five years apart really be exactly the same person?
"Bullshitting was invented by a little old lady from Leningrad."
"Bullshitting was invented by a little old lady from Leningrad."
I always thought that as a way to set the two universes apart, this version of Chekov should've been named Piotr. The change wouldn't have meant anything to the general audiences but would've made the alternate reality all that more alternate to long time fans.
And launch an endless stream of internet bitching about it, like all the other "name drops".
I always thought that as a way to set the two universes apart, this version of Chekov should've been named Piotr. The change wouldn't have meant anything to the general audiences but would've made the alternate reality all that more alternate to long time fans.
