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Ship of the Line by Diane Carey

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Anyone have any thoughts on this one? My lit to read list is getting pretty long, but have heard about this one twice in recent listenings of Trek FM and was wondering if I need to add it to the list...
 
Anyone have any thoughts on this one? My lit to read list is getting pretty long, but have heard about this one twice in recent listenings of Trek FM and was wondering if I need to add it to the list...

It's not a bad novel if read in isolation; however, there are several obvious inconsistencies between the novel and canon that may be easily discerned by watching "Cause and Effect." Furthermore, I didn't care for the way the TOS bunch (which makes a brief appearance at the novel's outset) was depicted, something that anyone who's read the book would understand.

--Sran
 
Diane Carey is a matter of taste. Ship of the line features Morgan Bateson from the 23th century taking command of the Enterprise-E while Picard is sent on a mission. This novel polarized. It´s up to you to read it. There is already a Ship of the Line thread, but it might contain spoilers.

My advise is: you may as well go ahead to another novel. Morgan Bateson appears also in Christopher´s DTI novel. He handles the dealing with temporal displaced Starfleet personnel better. So "Watching the Clock" is more recommendable.
 
I've never read it myself, but I have never heard anyone ever say anything good about it. One of those that is legendarily bad, from what I can tell.

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I've never read it myself, but I have never heard anyone ever say anything good about it. One of those that is legendarily bad, from what I can tell.

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Not as bad as Double Helix - Red Sector. That´s by Carey, too. I know people who enjoyed it, though.
 
It's not a bad novel if read in isolation; however, there are several obvious inconsistencies between the novel and canon that may be easily discerned by watching "Cause and Effect."
--Sran

Not just that - a crucial conversation is undercut by the fact that Carey thinks Picard is tortured *before* he was captured and enslaved by the Borg.
 
^A consequence of Carey not knowing what she's talking about; she was always more comfortable writing TOS than she was any other series and should have stuck with Kirk & company. Don't even get me started on her Enterprise novelization of "Broken Bow."

--Sran
 
I think Carey did a fantastic job on "Ship Of The Line" and "Broken Bow" (her novelization of BB was better than the stupid episode, hands down). "Ship of The Line" is one of the few TNG books that I've read 3 times.
 
I think Carey did a fantastic job on "Ship Of The Line" and "Broken Bow" (her novelization of BB was better than the stupid episode, hands down). "Ship of The Line" is one of the few TNG books that I've read 3 times.

Did you enjoy Red Sector, too?

As I once said: if I had the choice I would prefer Ship of the Line over Red Sector. Both are definitely not among my all-time favorites.
 
I think I was about 14 when this book came out. I remember getting it for christmas. It didn't really do it for me, even as a 14 year old.
 
Did you enjoy Red Sector, too?

As I once said: if I had the choice I would prefer Ship of the Line over Red Sector. Both are definitely not among my all-time favorites.

I just barely remember Red Sector as being part of the Double Helix, and being a bit tired of the story. Of course I was also reading the DH omnibus, and after reading 3/4 of it, I needed to put it down and read something else.
 
It's not a bad novel if read in isolation; however, there are several obvious inconsistencies between the novel and canon that may be easily discerned by watching "Cause and Effect."
--Sran

Not just that - a crucial conversation is undercut by the fact that Carey thinks Picard is tortured *before* he was captured and enslaved by the Borg.

And it's somehow set after Worf joins the crew of Deep Space 9 but before the Klingons invade Cardassia.
 
I think Carey did a fantastic job on "Ship Of The Line" and "Broken Bow" (her novelization of BB was better than the stupid episode, hands down). "Ship of The Line" is one of the few TNG books that I've read 3 times.

Are you Diane Carey? :p

And honestly, I'm no fan of ENT myself, but what she did with the novelization of BB was nothing short of unprofessionalism.
 
It's not a bad novel if read in isolation; however, there are several obvious inconsistencies between the novel and canon that may be easily discerned by watching "Cause and Effect."

Not just that - a crucial conversation is undercut by the fact that Carey thinks Picard is tortured *before* he was captured and enslaved by the Borg.

And it's somehow set after Worf joins the crew of Deep Space 9 but before the Klingons invade Cardassia.

That book so badly needed a rewrite and an edit. I see it as a joint failure of Carey and Ordover, and I feel like it was published in an unfinished state.
 
I think Carey did a fantastic job on "Ship Of The Line" and "Broken Bow" (her novelization of BB was better than the stupid episode, hands down). "Ship of The Line" is one of the few TNG books that I've read 3 times.

You forgot to include the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags with your post.

--Sran
 
All of these problems aside, I actually have fond memories of the book! I think I usually just ignored all the stuff about Picard and focused on Bateson's Space Nautical Adventure.
 
The thing about Carey I never understood is why she isn't writing (historical) nautical fiction when that pretty obviously is where her heart is and what she is pretty good at ...
 
The thing about Carey I never understood is why she isn't writing (historical) nautical fiction when that pretty obviously is where her heart is and what she is pretty good at ...

Exactly this. If she'd have written Hornblower-esque fiction, maybe set in and around the American Revolution, I'd have lapped that up in a heartbeat. :)

However, I suspect that there's not much of a market (or much money) for that kind of fiction. Outside of O'Brian and Forester (or Novik, who added dragons to it), what's out there seems to come from small and specialty presses.
 
Carey has published a few historical-fiction novels. She's done two books of a Civil War trilogy (which the publisher apparently abandoned) under the byline D.L. Carey; I can't find out much about them, but they're apparently told from the Confederate side and the hero is a very Randian libertarian type. She also did a fairly recent book called Banners about Francis Scott Key and the War of 1812. She's also done a number of "historical romance novels" that Wikipedia lists but her own website doesn't.
 
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