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Depression/Suicide (This May Get Very Personal)

Brie

Commander
Red Shirt
Okay I've been on this forum long enough and written enough articles now that a good amount of you know me either on a casual level or a personal one. I decided to write this topic on our amazing Star Trek forum because I feel many of us have made a close bond with some of the people on here and it seems more fitting to talk about such a sensitive topic with people who we can trust will accept us and understand. I know this is a topic that can get very personal and emotional for a lot of people so if you are not comfortable please don't feel like you NEED to tell your story. I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable at all! With all of the prerequisites taken care of I would like to start this forum with my own personal story.


When I was six years old my father walked out on my mother and me. I was little so I knew nothing of what was transpiring other than the fact that my father wasn’t around anymore. I remember my mom packing up our stuff and telling me we were going to move to Maryland to take care of my grandmother who had just been diagnosed with lung cancer. Once there we moved my grandmother in with us and my mom married her second husband Raul. After a few months of living in Maryland my father and I reestablished a relationship and he began to become part of my life again. Pretty soon I was flying out to Nashville to visit him and after a while he decided to move back to Maryland to be closer to me. We began seeing each other every week and pretty soon things felt like they were back to normal. Then something happened. After nearly ten years without a drink, my father, who was a prior alcoholic, relapsed. He began drinking every day.


I remember one day when I was a kid shortly after his relapse, I was visiting him and I had said something to him that upset him. He went into his room and didn’t come out. After about two hours I went in to check on him and saw him in bed with an empty twelve pack next to him. He was sobbing hysterically and started saying that I didn’t love him and there was no point in him even being around anymore. I kept trying to tell him I loved him but he just kept saying over and over that I would be better off if he wasn’t around. Pretty soon after that episode he decided he wanted to move back to Nashville to pursue his music career. I didn’t understand why he would just leave me again. I thought maybe I had done something wrong or disappointed him somehow. This really affected me and I started getting really sad.


When I was about ten years old my mom took me to a doctor. She complained that I was exhibiting “odd behavior” and was concerned for me. She said I wasn’t behaving like a typical ten year old and she didn’t know what was wrong. The doctor asked me a few questions and referred my mother to a counselor in town. After a few weeks of monitoring and counseling sessions I was diagnosed with clinical depression. As a ten year old I had no idea what that meant, all I knew was that my mom was visibly upset by whatever was going on with me. Since I was ten years old my mom decided to forgo prescription treatment as to not disrupt my growth as a child. Instead she chose to have me seen by a psychiatrist once a week for treatment.


The woman I saw when I was a child was kind and caring and I felt like she genuinely cared about me. I remember she used to take me and a small group of kids from school, who she also talked to, on little field trips on the weekend. These weekend trips would almost make up for the pain I felt from not having my father around. Things were going great for a while but about the time I was eleven I started having some trouble with kids in school. I wasn’t a very cute kid, I wore large glasses was oddly proportioned and had a haircut that was as short as some of the guys in my school. I dealt with it for a while, but when I was about thirteen he bullying took a darker turn.


I was in middle school and one of the girls that used to bully me asked if she could talk to me alone. She said she wanted to apologize for the way she had been treating me and wanted to clear the air. She asked if I could meet her in the choir room at lunch so we could talk. I agreed but when I got to the choir room she was in there with a few other girls, they cornered me and started saying how worthless and dorky I was, then she hit me. She punched me in the face a few times and got me on the ground. She continued to beat me up while all the other girls watched and laughed. After she was done the girl scratched her face and arms so it appeared that I attacked her and ran to the teacher with her friends. The teachers believed her but they also knew I wasn’t a bad kid so with no clue as to the truth we were both suspended for a few days. I returned to school hoping things would slowly get better but they only got worse.
By the time I was in my first year of high school I had almost no friends and spent most of my days alone or at the rec center practicing my figure skating. I was the quintessential loner. After a while I started seeking out people in school who were also outcasts and I eventually landed in a bad crowd of kids. I began cutting my arms and sneaking out at night to get high. Anything that would lessen the pain I had felt my whole life. One day my mom caught me cutting my wrists and took me back to a psychiatrist for counseling. I spent the next two years of high school being bullied by a large group of kids in my school. These attacks would range anywhere from verbal abuse to getting pushed into walls or lockers. By the time I was in my junior year of high school my mom decided to move us to Florida near my father and to a new school.


My new school was great. I had friends I felt like I belonged, my grades were improving and best of all my relationship with my father had been restored. We began hanging out every day and spending a large amount of time together. We would go to the beach every day, and every night I would go to the bar and hear him play music. Things in Florida were going great and with graduation right around the corner I decided to join the military. I graduated high school in the spring of 2012 and by the end of the summer I had enlisted. The first few months in the Navy were great. I graduated boot camp, got sent to VA beach for my technical training and made tons of friends along the way. Everything was going absolutely great until the Christmas of 2012.
I will never forget the day as long as I live. It was about one in the morning and I was lying in my barracks bed watching “Doctor Who.” I had a test the next day and was supposed to go to sleep early but I had a sinking feeling in my stomach and I couldn’t fall asleep. At about one thirty I got a call from an unknown number. When I picked up the phone there was a man on the other line who identified himself as a bay county officer. He asked if my name was Brianna and if I knew a man by the name of Jerry. I answered yes that he was my father. Then the man on the other end then said the words that I will never forget until the day I die. “I’m sorry but Jerry has passed away.” I was very calm about it on the phone. I asked what the cause of death was and he said it was still being determined. I thanked him for his call and hung up the phone. When I ended the call I broke down into a cry that was so crippling that I threw up. My roommate woke up and couldn’t get me up off of the ground, so she ended up carrying me downstairs to the sailor on duty. Within the hour I had discovered that my father had died by suicide.


I returned to Florida to bury my father and spent the next few days with my mother and sister. When I returned to my technical school I started getting harassed by a fellow sailor for how I dealt with my father’s death. She said I wasn’t emotional enough so I must not have cared about him. She said my visiting home was an excuse to get both the holiday leave periods, along with other statements as to how I conduced myself on my trip home. She harassed me for the next six months about being weak, saying death is part of the military and I need to get over it. These harassments went on outside of school too. I received harassing messages from her on Facebook and text messages on the weekends. It got so bad that eventually the instructors were called in to rectify the situation. After nine months of harassment I was finally graduating from the school and getting moved to my permanent duty station.


When I got the orders to Nevada I was excited, a new place new faces, and a fresh start. When I got to the command I realized it was an isolated station and it would be tough to find people to befriend out here. When I checked into my office I was introduced to a few coworkers and not five minutes into my first real day in the navy I got cornered by a group of girls I worked with about how I looked. They made fun of my hair and my makeup and said I was trying too hard, that I wouldn’t make any friends. Having dealt with bullying before I decided to just go to my chain of command and let them know what was going on. The laughed off my situation and put a target on my head. For the next year I dealt with constant harassment from not just coworkers but leadership as well.


There was one day in particular that was especially bad and I left work in tears. I got home went to my bed with a bottle of pills laid down in bed and pored all of the pills into my hand. I looked at them for about an hour before I decided to put them back. I woke up the next day tried to brush myself off and move on but I couldn’t. I was miserable. I wanted to leave one way or another, but I put on a happy face and went about my days as usual. A few months later I got sent to Hawaii for three months for the RIMPAC exercise. I enjoyed the experience and made a lot of new friends but the best part was when I came back to Nevada, we had gotten a new chain of command. I thought things would really get better finally and they did for a very long time, but one day a rumor got spread about me and I got confronted by my chain of command. I sat there stone faced while they yelled at me and when they were done asked me how I felt about what I did. I turned to them and said “I didn’t do what you are accusing me of, but if I did, it would be because I wake up every day and dread getting out of bed.”


That was a wake up call for both me and them. It showed them for the first time that I was unhappy and it showed me for the first time just how much my depression affected me. I was escorted to medical after the meeting where they asked if I could be seen by the psychologist at medical (or the “mental health doctor” as the referred to him). I sat down and waited to be seen and a few minutes later I was greeted by a smiling man in a while lab coat. I tried to find his rank so I could address him properly since he was an officer but I couldn’t. He noticed and said just to call him Jake. After I told him about what had been going on he said that it sounded like I had clinical depression and asked if I had known I had it, if so how long. I told him yes I was diagnosed when I was ten. When asked if I had ever received medical treatment for it in those eleven years I said no and became surprised. He asked why I hadn’t gotten treatment when I joined the military. To which I responded that we were told we couldn’t be treated for depression in my specific job field due to us being a “security risk.” He laughed and told me that was a lie. I was sitting there pissed, because for the first two years of my military career I could have been treated for my depression but everyone was so naive to the treatment options that they just assumed you couldn’t. I told him I was comfortable with being put on antidepressants for a while to test them out. He concurred and prescribed me Effexor.


If you have never been on antidepressants, the beginning stage is the worst. You get shaky, loose appetite and want to scream at everyone. It is a rough two weeks but once those symptoms stop it’s like a rainbow shooting over your head. I felt happy for the first time in almost ten years. I felt like I had killed a beast that the slowly killing me piece by piece and it was as easy as just asking for help. If I had known that I would have gotten treatment years ago. I didn’t have to feel depressed those last two years, I didn’t have to grab the pill bottle and think what if, I didn’t have to sit through every day thinking about how I could make it one more day. I could have just asked for help and my problems would have been solved.


Since then my depression has almost completely gone into remission and I have felt happy for the first time in almost eleven years. I no longer dread getting out of bed and I have the energy to do things I enjoy. In fact if was thanks to my seeking help that I joined this forum. I was told to find an online community of people with a common interest so I could have stuff to occupy my time when I wasn't working. All of these things have made a huge difference and being part of this community has helped a lot too! It's nice to be able to interact with people who share a common interest, in a way that is always positive!


So I say to you now if you or a loved one suffers for depression and is going untreated or if you see a decline in their behavior please talk to them. I wish every day that I could go back to Christmas of 2012 and tell my father how much I love him. Maybe then he could have gotten the treatment he needed his whole life.


If you have a similar story you are comfortable sharing, please feel free. If you aren't comfortable sharing that is completely okay too! Again I know this is a sensitive topic for this forum site but there's no better place to discus sensitive issues than with people who you are comfortable with.
 
I was clinically depressed in my second year of college. I had transferred from my original school (away from home) to a pharmacy school (living at home) and, for a variety of reasons, fell into a deep, deep depression (to the point where even a beautiful spring day was something to be reviled). Somewhat miraculously, I finally found solace and peace while walking along the edge of the Helderberg Escarpment (hint: I didn't originally go there for the view). After all these years, the threat of a relapse into depression has begun to fade ... but it's been replaced by acute, crippling anxiety.

And while the details are very different, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if there's a relationship between the two.

Bottom line: There's no rationality involved with depression (or anxiety, or any other similar condition). And you have to find a solution that works (medication, meditation, etc.).

Brie, I'm glad you've found a path out (I know how difficult that was for me, and how close I was to not finding it). That alone is a significant step. Keep walking that path. Life won't necessarily be easier ... but it's better when you finally have a sense of direction.
 
Brie, sending you many hugs:)

So I realized I was gay when I was 14. Flashfoward 11 years and I'm still very much in the closet. I've come out to my mom many times and each time she gets upset and spews hateful words at me. Last year I came out to my friends. It felt great and they said they were accepting but then I stopped hearing from them and suffice it to say, they are no longer my friends. Over the last few months I've been in a very dark place. I rarely leave the house, except for work and groceries, etc. I have completely disappeared into the realm of fantasy. My days are filled with reading and watching tv.

As for my sexuality, I've just suppressed it. Pretended that it doesn't exist. It's actually pretty easy. Luckily I don't fit the stereotype so no one would suspect it anyways. I am not suicidal but every night I go to bed, I hope I don't wake up. But I accept it. I accept that this is my life. Not everyone is meant to be happy.
 
I think I've been depressed in some form since I was little. I can remember very clearly when it became so strong, I almost ended things. Late in 2001, I had an experience that almost literally drove me to a local bridge. Suffice it to say, I thought about driving to that bridge to finish myself off. I'd have parked the car on a high point of the bridge, left a note under a windshield wiper and let myself drop. But I went home instead.
 
On and off of some mild medications myself through the years. Unfortunately my family doctor isn't very attentive. So I mostly try to get through it with lots of physical exercise and some natural supplements. It's better than nothing.

Kor
 
OMG stop writing ahhhhh

anyway suicide is like the train that flys by my apartment all day everyday,, it just keeps happening.. I was self-centered... mmmmm no? I was suicidal for like 30 years first thinking that everyone was suicidal that is how everyone went to sleep you know suicidal idealizations and then finally passing out from over obsessing so much and so on.. then last new years it stopped .. why IDK how IDK weird I CAN'T EVEN GET MY SUICIDE NOTE... NOTEBOOK OUT TO WRITE IN ANYMORE... I have gone over the line.. or beyond the voids of nihilistic demoniacal oppressions damn dammit now. it is really so weird not having these these 2-4 times a week night sessions of suicidal meetings with my other selves and such... anyway the psychiatrist let me know some people get these things that is the way it is ... so what ever..

Peace-Sauce

just one read thru you are going to have to deal with the mistakes in writing sorry - no time
 
I have been on fluoxetine for 10 years, but it's more for anxiety. It works wonders.

I was on it for around three years, it helped a little, but I couldn't concentrate and it messed with my sleep, energy levels, appetite. After speaking with my doctors I came off of it and just taking my chances since then.

I've struggled with chronic depression since I was 5, I come from a pretty dysfunctional family and mental health issues run in both sides of it.

It got to the point of self harming in 2002 and I was monitored for my own safety by members of staff that volunteered in the high school to watch students with those problems.

They had no actual policy in place for helping students with mental health problems and from what I hear, still don't. It got to the point of suicidal thoughts and continued self injury for 7 years, taking a pretty bad toll on me overall.

Bad relationships, self destructive behaviour, still have trouble remembering parts of those years.

That all continued for years since no one took any active interest in helping me until 2009 when my then partner, who suffered from severe bipolar disorder, recognised a lot of the symptoms and made me talk to doctors here.

I was diagnosed with at least three distinct problems at the time and I've been going for followup checks every 6 months since then. The relationship broke up and that didn't help, I was on the medication starting around then and managed to stop any self harming for more than 2-3 years straight.

It got worse about two years ago during a rough period in my life and I started again, haven't really been anywhere near as stable the last couple of years but I'm coping. I just don't want to go back on the medication and loose what remaining focus I have.

So about six months ago when my parents brought up some seriously disturbing stuff from my and my sisters childhood that unfortunately explained where a lot of this started, my mental and physical health started deteriorating badly and I'm only just getting myself back together.

I have a few friends who are trying to get me as far from them as they can but that's still ongoing. I'm still largely waiting for the chance to live a normal life because of all this.
 
You don't want my memories. But brave thread, brave posts - *hugs* to all.

There's line that Leela has in Classic Who, that "if you're bleeding, look for a man with scars." I like to think that those of us with mental scars... they're signs that we can maybe help the ones who are still bleeding, if you see what I mean. Your story will doubtless help someone in a similar situation in future, and I always think that's a positive way to look at it.
 


What he says!! Brie, you are very brave to share that. You're quite the inspiration. :)

I was clinically depressed in my second year of college. I had transferred from my original school (away from home) to a pharmacy school (living at home) and, for a variety of reasons, fell into a deep, deep depression (to the point where even a beautiful spring day was something to be reviled). Somewhat miraculously, I finally found solace and peace while walking along the edge of the Helderberg Escarpment (hint: I didn't originally go there for the view). After all these years, the threat of a relapse into depression has begun to fade ... but it's been replaced by acute, crippling anxiety.

And while the details are very different, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if there's a relationship between the two.

Bottom line: There's no rationality involved with depression (or anxiety, or any other similar condition). And you have to find a solution that works (medication, meditation, etc.).

Dude, word!

I wish I had the clarity that I do now more than a decade ago. (And maybe some better guidance and resources). I looked at a diary I wrote in back when I was a kid and had to slap it shut. It angers me a little that no one bothered to help that little girl. It was often ignored and passed off as "being jealous" over things. There were things that happened that no kid should ever have go through. I was 13 when I was pulled out of that situation but damage was already done. Still no one helped me. I spent my teen years and 20's just maladjusted with a lot of chips on my shoulders. And when I sought help for myself, I was cut down and berated for it. After that, it spiraled down. Relationships and reputations were ruined.

In 2012, I moved out and decided to move away from other things as well. Chips and grudges started to melt away.

2013 was rocked by health issues and issues with a sibling that rolled into 2014. But had I not gotten away from the issues I dumped in 2012. I don't think I would have made it.


The happiest day of my life was 27 October 2009, a day I will never forget! It was the day I came back to NY. And spent the next few years in and out. Those were the happiest times in my life and as soon as I can afford to, I want to get back there.

Things are kind of touch and go, there are days I don't feel like a human being but I try to find something to look toward to. Most of the time it is just logging into here and chatting with the friends I've made. :techman:
 
I had a really close friend kill himself about a year ago. I know it's cliched that you never see it coming, but he was a friendly guy. The last time I saw him, we had bumped into each other at the mall and spent more of our time talking about Grimlock from Transformers. He was an Iraq war vet, but he worked on planes and helicopters. I'm not sure if that had anything to do with it, but it is disturbingly common with veterans. He was only 30 and left a wife who has been in rough shape emotionally ever since. I won't get into that. I really don't know what to say. I miss him. If you are depressed and have feelings that make you want to kill yourself, go talk to someone for your own sake and everyone you love. I can't imagine what you are going through, but it destroys everyone you know.
 
Between medication and therapy I am doing better. Next is to get out of my situation which doesn't feel as hopeless as it did before. :bolian:
 
Find something that you can build with your own hands and then display to show your creative side. Being able to show something that you have created will slowly kill the depression.

Not creating something with your hands, be it writing, drawing, sculpting, plating a tree or building a model is the devil and those who say to not do such things are the devil and want you to be depressed.
 
I was diagnosed with clinical depression last year. I've been on Sertraline for it and after 2014 being shit from start to finish, I feel better this year. I inherited this condition from my mom who suffered from it all of her life, until she killed herself in 2003. Today being Mother's Day brought the depression back a little, but I'll get past it. I always do. I stil can't believe I have this. As if living with cerebral palsy since birth, and migraine headaches (which I also got from mom) since I was 19 isn't enough!

As for suicide, no. Even on my worst days, that's not even an option. I need to live a few more decades. There are too many people I still have to annoy the hell out of.
 
Excellent post, Brie. Thanks for sharing it. Girls can be especially catty in their bullying and I feel a lot of that is overlooked in the national campaigns against bullying. I was bullied by boys and girls when I was younger until my mom started forcing me to confront them. It probably wasn't the best way to handle the problem, but it did end up working out for me.

I may post more about my experiences with depression later, but I could honestly fill an entire book with my issues lol and even attempting to do so would feel masturbatory (for me specifically). It is interesting, however, that I just saw this thread today after finding out that a friend I had a falling out with a few months ago died last night. He had a psychotic break, and ended up either jumping or falling off a bridge into shallow water where he broke his neck and then drowned. I've had a lump stuck in my throat for the past three hours.
 
(to the point where even a beautiful spring day was something to be reviled).

I know exactly how that feels...Before I got treatment it didn't matter how beautiful the day, there way something in me that said it wasn't enough to blow away he cloud

(hint: I didn't originally go there for the view). .

I'm glad that it was the view that made you stay <3

I certainly wouldn't be surprised if there's a relationship between the two.

There is absolutely a relationship between them. I am on effexor which works on both depression and anxiety I would look into that! :)

Brie, sending you many hugs:)

thanks love <3 <3 <3

So I realized I was gay when I was 14. Flashfoward 11 years and I'm still very much in the closet. I've come out to my mom many times and each time she gets upset and spews hateful words at me. Last year I came out to my friends. It felt great and they said they were accepting but then I stopped hearing from them and suffice it to say, they are no longer my friends.

I remember we talked about this a little and to be honest they were never your friends if they left you over that. You will always have friends here <3

As for my sexuality, I've just suppressed it. Pretended that it doesn't exist. It's actually pretty easy. Luckily I don't fit the stereotype so no one would suspect it anyways. I am not suicidal but every night I go to bed, I hope I don't wake up. But I accept it. I accept that this is my life. Not everyone is meant to be happy.

You shouldn't let others supress your feelings at all! A very good friend of mine came out to his family when he was a child and they "corrected" his "problem" when really he just hid his feelings from his parents. It ended up sending him deep into depression and he only really became happy when he ignored the hate and accepted his feelings. since then yes he has had some heart break but all in all he is happier than if he had been in the closet. I'll be honest here and I've never told anyone this but there are times I wonder if I don't have some feelings for women. I have often met girls where I could see myself going on a date with them. I still very much love guys but there have been definate times when I have wondered if the feelings are a bit more than just thinking a woman is attractive. my best friend and I have talked about being together before, because we are so beyond close that a lot of people think we are together, but she is married and we don't want to cross that line with each other.

I had an experience that almost literally drove me to a local bridge. Suffice it to say, I thought about driving to that bridge to finish myself off. I'd have parked the car on a high point of the bridge, left a note under a windshield wiper and let myself drop. But I went home instead.

I am very glad you went home. Just like I'm glad that ancient mariner stayed for the view, and I put the pills back

He was an Iraq war vet, but he worked on planes and helicopters. I'm not sure if that had anything to do with it, but it is disturbingly common with veterans. .

military members are I think 40% more likely to commit suicide than a civilian. It's a sad statistic. I hope I nor any of my fellow sailors ever join that statistic

Find something that you can build with your own hands and then display to show your creative side. Being able to show something that you have created will slowly kill the depression.

I paint and my best friend and I do crafts quite often, on top of that I model and all of those things force me to do something to get out of the house, which helps.

Excellent post, Brie. Thanks for sharing it. Girls can be especially catty in their bullying and I feel a lot of that is overlooked in the national campaigns against bullying.

It is an unfortunate thing that it happens and I hope one day it can be eradicated.
 
I didn't post this in the original post but I feel I owe it to all of you since we are all being so honest

I also suffered from addiction once my depression got really bad. I have very bad back problems and am prescribed a narcotic for the pain, but once my depression got bad I found myself taking them not for the relief it gave, but for the numbness I felt when I took them. It made me forget my depression for a few hours.

It got so bad at one point that I would go home sick just so I could take my pills. I eventually got myself off of them and even though I have a prescription still I rarely take them because I am scared to relapse.

Flash forward a few moths later. those of you who have depression know what a strain it puts on sleep. You either sleep all day, or not at all. When I finally got hep for my depression and I told my doc about sleep issues, he prescribed Ambien, which I had never heard of. I took it the first time and hallucinated, which scared me because I didn't know that could happen. Once I learned it could I caught myself again taking them for the high effect and not to put me to sleep. I got myself off of those for a while too, but recently started taking them again, only this time for the actual medical purpose. I talked to my doc and told him and he said that he will still keep me on them because I don't sleep hardly at all, but that if I think I'm relapsing again to immediately stop and try and get back into a no drug induced sleep pattern.

It's a catch 22 with this stuff because while I have a serious medical need for both these pills, if I'm not careful I find myself using them in the wrong way, which scares me. My ultimate goal is to get off all controlled substances eventually, but that would require surgery for my back, and I don't really know how to cure the sleep issue, since even when on antidepressants I still have a terrible time sleeping. I live a very healthy lifestyle and I hate when I see myself go into these pits when I use my meds for recreation. On the more positive side when I have the craving to do that, the first thing I do is get on this forum and type an article or reply to posts, it gets my mind away from a want to get high, and puts it to a better use. In fact that is why I wrote this article, I had a craving and put my time to better use.

Hopefully no one thinks less of me after this
 
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