If Fox has any sense, they'll have Cannon cleaning out his desk by the end of the week.
What a piece of crap.
What a piece of crap.
Gotham - Season 1
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The first 5 episodes were self contained disconnected freak of the week bullshit.
Everything after that got really plotty.
Butch is looking more and more like Joker now.
Everything after that got really plotty.
Butch is looking more and more like Joker now.
That's a key part of the problem right there. Kristin wasn't treated as a character in her own right, just as a catalyst for a male character's arc. And so she's had virtually no growth or change or development of any kind.
Bruno Heller is the showrunner. Danny Cannon is an executive producer, co-developer, and occasional director for the show, but I think his role is more that of the production-company executive that the showrunner answers to, like the role of J.J. Abrams on Person of Interest or Roberto Orci on Sleepy Hollow. Heller is more the one responsible for the week-to-week writing of the show, and I think he's the one whose departure would help the show the most. The ideal would be if they dumped Heller and promoted Ben Edlund to showrunner. Then it would still be a crazy, ridiculous show (Edlund created The Tick, after all), but it would be the good kind of crazy/ridiculous.
If she hadn't spent 3 hours in the hair salon, getting her new doo, Fish could have rounded up another 20 thugs and the final episode for Miss Mooney would have been a cake walk to victory.
The Fish part was really awkward...we invested so many episodes in her wheel-spinning Dollmaker subplot, only for her to get "killed off" the first episode that she returns to Gotham.
She'll be back for a 4 episode arc in season 4 or 5.
Absolutely. Terribly structured. Why not devote those episodes to her return to Gotham and her building of a new gang?
And the whole resolution to the gang war, I've realized, was also very poorly handled. Penguin didn't win because he was smarter or more ruthless or more effective than the opposition; he won because he was destined to win, so the writers arbitrarily made the other characters lose or give up. Maroni arbitrarily antagonized Fish, Fish arbitrarily killed Maroni, Falcone arbitrarily retired, and when Butch shot both Fish and Penguin, Penguin was arbitrarily less wounded. He didn't earn his victory; he just had it handed to him by the writers. So there was no suspense or surprise or satisfaction.
Claudius became Emperor of the world because he hid behind a curtain while the rest of his family was being slaughtered.
I would seem that Mrs bbailey861 and I were the only ones who are not watching this show with such a critical eye. For absolutely sure, there were a lot of questions we had - for example, what happened between the time Fish got shot stealing a chopper to escape the island and her arriving back in Gotham in a small tugboat with, I will admit, a pretty radical hairdo? Anyway, we had some pretty good laughs with this one - and it was entertaining - for us, even if not for you.
That line would have been priceless.
We think so, too, but not so sure it will take that long. Then again, I suppose it'll depend a lot on contract negotiations.
Such a wasted opportunity to make a horrible pun when Penguin kills Fish
"Didn't you know? PENGUINS EAT FISH!!!"
That line would have been priceless.
We think so, too, but not so sure it will take that long. Then again, I suppose it'll depend a lot on contract negotiations.
I enjoy the show a great deal. It's definitely flawed and there's been a lot of missteps, but it's still a lot of fun. It's interesting to see so many Bat-characters thrown together into a big soup.
Maybe next season they'll have things planned out a little better and we won't have bizarre things like Allen and Montoya disappearing from the series without any explanation or Fish getting exiled into filler storyland or Barbara suddenly going psycho.
Maybe next season they'll have things planned out a little better and we won't have bizarre things like Allen and Montoya disappearing from the series without any explanation or Fish getting exiled into filler storyland or Barbara suddenly going psycho.
I find it odd that Gordon's future daughter shares the name of his ex-girlfriend who tried to stab his current girlfriend.
Also I was hoping that Dollmaker would going to turn Fish into a mermaid or some wacky fish thing. Because this show is about as subtle as a blow to the head. In many ways, that's why I love it. I truly believe that the city of Gotham is so insane that only a man in a bat costume can save it.
Also I was hoping that Dollmaker would going to turn Fish into a mermaid or some wacky fish thing. Because this show is about as subtle as a blow to the head. In many ways, that's why I love it. I truly believe that the city of Gotham is so insane that only a man in a bat costume can save it.
This is a really valid post and it got me thinking a lot.
I remember rumbling in dissatisfaction when the plot line with the girl mole Fish trained to kill Falcone just kind of fizzled out with no real payoff.
Then I started thinking about what the show is: it's a show that mixes gritty realism with over the top comic booky moments, it mixes irony with drama. It's a cliched, hard boiled cop show that actually might have spiritual elements. It has long windy narratives that sometimes don't pay off.
So, thinking about it, I became convinced that the show was a satire.. both of comic boom adaptations in live-action media, and our obsession with long, continuous narratives. I am certain now that it is.
And maybe the underlying theme of this satire is that so much that happens in this story that are arbitrary. Bruce finding the cave was a bit arbitrary. All the points you made are indeed, arbitrary. But there have been so many arbitrary events throughout the season. I think that is the guiding force behind everything, no matter how well a character plans what they want to do.
You confuse "satire" with incompetent writing.
The writing is better than Age of Ultron.. I mean that film has
Incompetent writing
an AI lifting an entire city to create a mass extinction event.
Incompetent writing
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No.
Also, spoilers.
Also, spoilers.
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