Will they go back to primeTrek after nuTrek finishes?.

[BillJ]

The success of films with cruddy critical ratings like Transformers is mostly attributable to the taste of the Chinese moviegoer, not America. This is really what is driving Hollywood towards a homogenous "pew pew" style of filmmaking (i.e. everything's a comic book) since it tends to cross cultural barriers better than, let's say, a thoughtful piece of sci-fi like Ex Machina.

What about films with solid critical ratings? Like, Star Trek Into Darkness? Critics seemed to like it (mostly), American audiences seemed to like it (mostly) and it was the most successful international Trek movie.

But it didn't do as well nationally which is still the most important market. It did about 29 million less nationally than ST 09 and cost 50 million more to make. After expenses and marketing for the film it made about a 25 million dollar profit. A profit is good but it wasn't as good as the first. I would expect the next ST movie to get a smaller budget. Not a bad thing if they decide to spend a bit more time on some dramatic scenes instead of to much eye candy.

I love how people forget the movie was sandwiched between Fast and Furious 6 and Iron Man 3. Take a look at the competition each of the Abrams films faced. Star Trek (2009) was in a much better position.

Critically, Star Trek Into Darkness was well-received, did decent ticket sales, did great business on home video and seems to be fairly well liked by audiences. I seriously doubt we will see any change in formula for the third movie. They didn't bring in Justin Lin to tone down the action.

 

[TRON JA307020]

What about films with solid critical ratings? Like, Star Trek Into Darkness? Critics seemed to like it (mostly), American audiences seemed to like it (mostly) and it was the most successful international Trek movie.

But it didn't do as well nationally which is still the most important market. It did about 29 million less nationally than ST 09 and cost 50 million more to make. After expenses and marketing for the film it made about a 25 million dollar profit. A profit is good but it wasn't as good as the first. I would expect the next ST movie to get a smaller budget. Not a bad thing if they decide to spend a bit more time on some dramatic scenes instead of to much eye candy.

I love how people forget the movie was sandwiched between Fast and Furious 6 and Iron Man 3. Take a look at the competition each of the Abrams films faced. Star Trek (2009) was in a much better position.

Critically, Star Trek Into Darkness was well-received, did decent ticket sales, did great business on home video and seems to be fairly well liked by audiences. I seriously doubt we will see any change in formula for the third movie. They didn't bring in Justin Lin to tone down the action.

Well like I said I think we will see a smaller budget. They look at profits and like any business they want to see a increase not a decrease. I think we will see a change in formula. Simon Pegg seems to want to shake things up bit and take us away from earth and go on the 5 year mission. I doubt we are going to see a battle with a big black powerful ship that dwarfs the Enterprise this time around. I hope to see a new alien species this time.

 

[BillJ]

Well like I said I think we will see a smaller budget. They look at profits and like any business they want to see a increase not a decrease. I think w will see a change in formula. Simon Pegg seems to want to shake things up bit and take us away from earth and go on the 5 year mission. I doubt we are going to see a battle with a big black powerful ship that dwarfs the Enterprise this time around. I hope to see a new alien species this time.

Simon Pegg is one writer, along with Doug Jung. But it is Justin Lin that is driving the bus. There's no way he directs without getting to make a movie he wants to make. He's had too much success with the Fast and Furious franchise.

To quote James T. Kirk, "Buckle up!"

 

[TRON JA307020]

Well like I said I think we will see a smaller budget. They look at profits and like any business they want to see a increase not a decrease. I think w will see a change in formula. Simon Pegg seems to want to shake things up bit and take us away from earth and go on the 5 year mission. I doubt we are going to see a battle with a big black powerful ship that dwarfs the Enterprise this time around. I hope to see a new alien species this time.

Simon Pegg is one writer, along with Doug Jung. But it is Justin Lin that is driving the bus. There's no way he directs without getting to make a movie he wants to make. He's had too much success with the Fast and Furious franchise.

To quote James T. Kirk, "Buckle up!"

Well I hope we don't see a fast and furious with star ships. I would hope we get a little bit of meat and potatoes this time around instead of just dessert. I do still want the dessert but I need more meat an potatoes.

 

[BillJ]

Well I hope we don't see a fast and furious with star ships. I would hope we get a little bit of meat and potatoes this time around instead of just dessert. I do still want the dessert but I need more meat an potatoes.

I'm good with an entertaining movie. Life is too short to be worried about anything else when it comes to movies.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Well I hope we don't see a fast and furious with star ships. I would hope we get a little bit of meat and potatoes this time around instead of just dessert. I do still want the dessert but I need more meat an potatoes.

I'm good with an entertaining movie. Life is too short to be worried about anything else when it comes to movies.

Agreed.

 

[martok2112]

Isn't it nice to know that Star Trek isn't just meant for one person, but for everyone? The JJ movies certainly live up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

The average moviegoer wants to have a good time for their two hours at the movies. But it doesn't mean they lack the "intellect" of the "Trek is meant just for me" guy/gal.

 

[JWPlatt]

I would hope we get a little bit of meat and potatoes this time around instead of just dessert. I do still want the dessert but I need more meat an potatoes.

I was going to post, but now I'm reminded I have to go make dinner.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I would hope we get a little bit of meat and potatoes this time around instead of just dessert. I do still want the dessert but I need more meat an potatoes.

I was going to post, but now I'm reminded I have to go make dinner.

LOL! Yeah I was getting hungry so I used that common analogy to get my point across.

 

[eyeresist]

Simon Pegg is one writer, along with Doug Jung. But it is Justin Lin that is driving the bus. There's no way he directs without getting to make a movie he wants to make. He's had too much success with the Fast and Furious franchise.

They are all answerable to the producers and the Paramount brass, who ultimately call the shots.

But that brings back the question of whether you would watch the same characters, for example, in an old Western context stripped of its science fiction.

TOS certainly would have made a good western series: Kirk as the Sheriff, Spock as his Deputy, McCoy as the town doctor, Uhura running the hotel and bar, Scott the local farrier with a sideline in cart and buggy maintenance, Chekov and Sulu running the train station and stage coach depot. (Although given the period I'm getting frightening images of them dressed as Red Indians.)

 

[martok2112]

Simon Pegg is one writer, along with Doug Jung. But it is Justin Lin that is driving the bus. There's no way he directs without getting to make a movie he wants to make. He's had too much success with the Fast and Furious franchise.

They are all answerable to the producers and the Paramount brass, who ultimately call the shots.

But that brings back the question of whether you would watch the same characters, for example, in an old Western context stripped of its science fiction.

TOS certainly would have made a good western series: Kirk as the Sheriff, Spock as his Deputy, McCoy as the town doctor, Uhura running the hotel and bar, Scott the local farrier with a sideline in cart and buggy maintenance, Chekov and Sulu running the train station and stage coach depot. (Although given the period I'm getting frightening images of them dressed as Red Indians.)

Kirk: Alrighty, Deputy Spock, we'll a head 'em awf at th' pass!

Spock: That cliche is overused...and most illogical, Sheriff.

McCoy: Are you outta yer Vulcan-headed mind there, Deppity?! Ol' One-Eyed Khan and his band o' Injuns is a gittin' away, an' yer a-shootin' awf at th' mouth about yer dad-blanged lawjic!

Kirk: Is th' gun-coach a-ready there, Scotty?

Scotty: Aye, sahr, she's as reddah as a Camptown Lady singin' "do da"!

Uhura: (looking longingly at Deputy Spock) Come back to me, my devil-eared, devil-eyed Injun hunter, and I'll have drink and a song for you...and maybe sumthin' a lil more personal. (looks at Sheriff Kirk) An' I'll have Hop-Sing have a pipin' hot meal for you an' your posse when y'all get back, Sheriff, sugah.

Sulu: (from inside Uhura's hotel-saloon) Dammit, Uhoolah! My name not Hop-Sing! My name Suuruu!

Uhura: (giggles) I just love a-hearin' Sulu git all worked up. (Shouting) Hey, Chekov, you good-fer-nuthin' Red! You git them stables cleaned fer th' posse's hawses by th' time they git back!

Chekov mutters angrily in Russian.

Uhura: Don'chu be a-cussin' me out in no Spanish over thar, Chekov! Or no borscht for you tonight!

Kirk: (rears up his horse, waving his ten gallon hat) Awright ya' Redshirts! Let's ride out! Y'all wanna live forever?!

A gunshot rings out, knocking off a posse member from his horse. McCoy rushes to his side.

McCoy: 'e's dead, Jim!

Kirk looks down the road with a righteous fury in his eye.

Kirk: KHAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!

Spock: KHAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN!!!!!!

Chekov: Ve heard Sheriff Kork forst time, Meester Depyootee!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Uh, y'all realize Westerns were one the inspirations for Star Trek. The wagon train in the "Wagon Train to the stars" pitch is Wagon Train, a TV series that ran from 1957–1965. McCoy is a direct "descendant" of Doc Adam on Gunsmoke.

 

[martok2112]

I know it for sure.

 

[eyeresist]

I think we're all aware of it.

 

[Cyke101]

Uh, y'all realize Westerns were one the inspirations for Star Trek. The wagon train in the "Wagon Train to the stars" pitch is Wagon Train, a TV series that ran from 1957–1965. McCoy is a direct "descendant" of Doc Adam on Gunsmoke.

It's funny how Wagon Train is more popular these days as "THAT Wagon Train" for Star Trek's pitch of "Wagon Train to the stars."

 

[mos6507]

The average moviegoer wants to have a good time for their two hours at the movies. But it doesn't mean they lack the "intellect" of the "Trek is meant just for me" guy/gal.

Typically, it does. They call it lowest-common-denominator for a reason. If they have the intellect, they don't want to exercise it at the movies.

 

[Cartoonist]

What lackluster reviews?!? I really wish these inaccurate statements would go away...



Critics rated it a 7.6/10 and audiences rated it a 4.2/5 on 307,000+ ratings.

Personally, I am hoping they never return to the Prime timeline. It had its day and that day is over (and I can watch that day anytime I like). Some folks don't like Star Trek Into Darkness and the Abrams films in general. Which is normal. Nothing is universally loved. But I don't really see how the numbers quantify it as anything other than a critical success.

My theory is that the indignant people who incessantly post that "JJ Trek" has failed, are trying to revise history in order to create an alternate timeline in which their statements are accurate.

 

[martok2112]

My theory is that the indignant people who incessantly post that "JJ Trek" has failed, are trying to revise history in order to create an alternate timeline in which their statements are accurate.

 

[Trekkin]

The average moviegoer wants to have a good time for their two hours at the movies. But it doesn't mean they lack the "intellect" of the "Trek is meant just for me" guy/gal.

Typically, it does. They call it lowest-common-denominator for a reason. If they have the intellect, they don't want to exercise it at the movies.

Err, no. Most Trekkies want to be entertained too. It's just everyone has different ideas on what's 'intellectual' and 'entertaining.'

I personally think TMP is a shallow, derivative POS (Why thank you Spock, for saying the cliff-notes version of what Kubrick showed us with a memorable villain and a much better use of pretty flashing lights.) Other Trekkies think it's the deepest and most philosophical that Trek ever got. 'Intellect' has nothing to do with what resonates with a person.


Hell, I've had people tell me that the Trouble with Tribbles is a study of...something, and not just a lark. Different folks.


Considering all the cat-fighting over the morality in STID, I'd say it made at least some people think. Khans irredeemable!/he's partially justified!, the message is applicable in today's times!/its truther BS! Etc etc. The Khan one at least was included purposefully by the writers.

 

[Squiggy]

I love how people forget the movie was sandwiched between Fast and Furious 6 and Iron Man 3. Take a look at the competition each of the Abrams films faced. Star Trek (2009) was in a much better position.

While I can't argue that the 2016 placement doesn't bode that well...I remember people thinking in 2009 that Terminator and GI Joe would kill the opening weekend.

Ya never know...but yeah...FF and Ironman are Goliaths to go up against.