Which also reflects the growing secularism and anit-religion; well, anti-Christianity, among the general populace and viewing audience. I really can't call this baggage. It's more a reflection of the times.
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Which also reflects the growing secularism and anit-religion; well, anti-Christianity, among the general populace and viewing audience. I really can't call this baggage. It's more a reflection of the times.
Yeah I agree with that. I think people who complain about so called technobabble jumped on a bandwagon, and complain about it a bit too much. Used appropriately, technical speak lends credibility and gives a certain amount of realism. I don't think TNG misused technical speak for the most part.
I just said, that it the technobabble is sometimes too much for me. It depends also how it is explained. I read a lot of ST novels and sometimes it´s all Greek to me. And when the plot is bad on top of that, it´s not my cup of tea. New technology has its fascination when properly explained. I´m not an engineer, that is. So "properly explained" for me means everyone is able to picture a certain technological concept.
When Kai Winn entered the room, Keiko addressed her in front of the children using her religious title of Kai. Kai would be an example of a indigenous term.
Yes, but that is her actual official title and role in Bajoran society, like how the Pope is always referred to as "Pope" in secular media instead of "Mister," even by those who don't share the same religious beliefs.
"Prophet" is a loaded word to use as the official name of an an entire alien species, and for the Bajorans it would carry all kinds of metaphysical implications from their centuries of tradition, much of which may have been pure speculation based on very limited contact with the wormhole aliens during a period when they didn't have much scientific understanding of things.
Does that belong in a 24th-century classroom?
Of course, "wormhole aliens" is imprecise and limited as well. So there's a conundrum.
Popular expressions aren't always best in the classroom.
For example, the media talks about "global warming" all the time. But in a real science class (at college level, anyway), you don't talk about "global warming" because that's a loaded popular expression that carries all kinds of preconceptions with it. Instead you talk about "climate change."
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The PTB should pay at least some attention to what fans say they want or what's wrong with the show.
Let's say the fans say they are tired of 'forehead aliens' and in a new series they go ahead create forehead aliens again. Probable reaction? The fans might think same ol same ol and get bored fast. Ratings dives and possible cancelation of the show yet again.
Pseudoscience ideas like in Dear Doctor. IIRC, it was never challenged as pseudoscience, it was assumed to be a fact based reasoning. It was mainly challenged based on the ideas of fair and unfair.
Or at least let another character actually call an idea pseudoscience and have an all out debate on it.
Prime Directive concepts -- don't save doomed planets with intelligent life forms. Even in cases with Data and the alien girl.
I'm skipping four pages. My apologies, if a repeat.
They meet a foreign culture -- and we hear that culture's language as English. As soon as a RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE is happening, now they are chanting in nontranslated syllables, usually with candles. (Just happened in ENT season 1 I'm watching with my kid.)
Because if religion equals anything, it is candles and mumbo-jumbo. And maybe a John Redcorn flute in the background.
"A-koo-chee-moya . . .
They meet a foreign culture -- and we hear that culture's language as English. As soon as a RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE is happening, now they are chanting in nontranslated syllables, usually with candles. (Just happened in ENT season 1 I'm watching with my kid.)
Because if religion equals anything, it is candles and mumbo-jumbo. And maybe a John Redcorn flute in the background.
"A-koo-chee-moya . . .
Absolutely, and it would be really nice if fans would stop acting like it's the literal truth and that everything is free. It really isn't. No civilization the size of the Federation could survive without some kind of economy, which means something is used as a medium of exchange as legal tender on all Federation worlds, space stations, and starbases. Even Voyager had an internal ship's economy, since credits would have been useless so far from home. As Kirk said, it's not cash, but that's nowhere near saying the society itself doesn't use money.
And if Picard thinks so, somebody needs to remind him that Beverly had to pay for that ugly piece of cloth on Farpoint.
Is there something wrong with the woods around Vancouver?
For me, it's nice to see places I recognize from having been there in person. And at least it's more imaginative than the same gravel pit used over and over in Doctor Who or the same exterior apartment building used for both Rose and Clara. Hardly overnight. And I can think of several TOS characters (regular plus guests) who gave the impression that they believe in God/Jesus. Just because Picard makes a speech about how humanity doesn't do or believe this or that, that doesn't make it true - it's pretty obvious how much of an insulated life he leads, away from the normal concerns of people who are not part of Starfleet.
I never saw most of Enterprise, so I'm completely unfamiliar with the Temporal Cold War. But it seems reasonable to assume that except for the few instances we saw in TOS and Voyager, organized, formalized time travel became commonplace centuries in the future and worked its way backward. It's not like time travel became an institutionalized thing in the 23rd or 24th centuries. At that time, if anyone time traveled, it was either by accident or due to extraordinary circumstances - hardly an easy thing to do.
So to transport anywhere, there would need to be at least a single-person transporter pad already established at the other end? How is that to be set up beforehand? If the personnel and components have to be shuttled down/over/whatever in order to set up a transporter, what's the point?
"Mini-Taken"?
Do you perhaps mean the Mintakans? That's one of the few times TNG used the name of a real star, btw (Mintaka).It's not arrogant to use proper scientific terminology in a science class. After all, if you were teaching a group of RL elementary students about thunder and lightning, you wouldn't tell them that lightning was caused by Zeus throwing a temper tantrum and thunder the result of the angels holding a bowling tournament, would you (seriously, somebody said that to me once about thunder
)? At least I sincerely hope that's not what the kids would be taught."Kai" was a Bajoran honorific, much like "Sister" is for a nun. And there's a great deal of difference between using an honorific and muddling up a science lesson with stuff that gets in the way of learning about science.
The problem with listening to "the fans" is twofold:
1. What "The Fans" want is often contrary to what is marketable and/or appealing to general audiences and studios. Nobody besides hardcore fans gives a $hit about the "post-Nemesis political climate and how the Breen might factor into the galactic balance of power after the fall of the dominion," nor do they give a rat's arse about your multi-cultural crew with a Horta captain, Dolphin navigator, and Calamarain security chief. That might sound cool to a handful of us nerds on the interwebs...but it's actually pretty lame.
2. The desires, beliefs, and wants of "The Fans" are so varied and inconsistent that you have no hope of picking up on general themes and incorporating them into a production that would satisfy everyone. Just 30 minutes spent reading this board is all you need to figure that one out. In fact, I'd argue that the moment you make half the fans happy, you piss off the rest of them to the point of violent revolt. I think JJ Trek illustrates that perfectly. In fact, with the way most post-TNG Trek has gone, I think a 50-50 split on pleasing "The Fans" is a lofty goal.
I'd prefer TPTB to just make the best product they can. Don't worry about trying to please us. That's a fools errand.
That was cool for about two episodes in seaQuest, and that's it.
If the station commander had personally interacted with Zeus on multiple occasions and later the commander asked Zeus to stop a massive enemy fleet and Zeus did, then yes Timewalker I think it would be perfectly fine to use the name "Zeus" in a class room of children.
If a foreign teacher used the term "wormhole" and a local asked the teacher to please use "Einstein-Rosen Bridge" because that's what the local culture used, and the teacher insisted on using "wormhole," that would be an example of arrogance and foolishness on the teacher's part.
It's like if Keiko travels to Bajor itself and insist on renaming local rivers.
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...if "Zeus" was truly the name that he went by, and not the name given to him by a corporeal species that had some interactions with him.
What do the "prophets" actually call themselves?
If a foreign teacher used the term "wormhole" and a local asked the teacher to please use "Einstein-Rosen Bridge" because that's what the local culture used, and the teacher insisted on using "wormhole," that would be an example of arrogance and foolishness on the teacher's part.
It's like if Keiko travels to Bajor itself and insist on renaming local rivers.
"Einstein-Rosen Bridge" and "wormhole" are both names with basis in the field of science.
But "Celestial temple" is by its very nature a religious term with all kinds of mystical connotations from many centuries before scientific thinking.
Respectfully, consider another real-world example... if you refer to "the sky" as "heaven" instead of "the sky," those are not just different names for the same thing. They carry fundamentally different connotations. And yes, I know that in some languages both concepts are referred to by the same word, and so the context would determine the meaning.
Earlier I also cited the difference between "global warming" and "climate change," but nobody seems to have noticed my post. The former expression is a popular journalistic term with simplistic connotation and all kinds of media baggage. The latter is a neutral term for a phenomenon that you actually talk about in scientific terms in science class.
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If the station commander had personally interacted with Zeus on multiple occasions and later the commander asked Zeus to stop a massive enemy fleet and Zeus did, then yes Timewalker I think it would be perfectly fine to use the name "Zeus" in a class room of children.
The issue was whether or not Keiko should teach real science in a science class, or religion in a science class. She correctly pointed out that science belongs in science class, and religion belongs somewhere else.
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Holodecks are NOT a late addition.
There was an episode of the Animated series that had one.
Although it was different.
There was an episode of the Animated series that had one.
Although it was different.
Actually, I think that would be a very cool compromise! Send down a shuttlecraft with a couple of pilots and its own transporter pad. Then once they've "set up shop" on the planet, any number of people could come and go at will until it's time for the shuttlecraft to leave. You get to keep the transporter, and also give a reason as to why a society that has this kind of tech still needs to physically travel places.
To make things look more futury. I thought that was always the point of transporters.
Only now you don't have to make excuses not to use the transporter as your main weapon in every battle, and freeing a prisoner is more difficult and a lot more visually interesting. With transporters that don't require installed fixtures, escapes end up being "Can you penetrate their shields?" "Got it!"
To address the question of fan feedback, I will paraphrase an Oatmeal comic on the subject. "Art is not made in a vacuum, but it is also not made in a whirlwind of hatred and criticism". You need to take feedback into account but not let it control you.
Of course, if you are forming your ideas around focus group research and ratings consciousness, none of that applies. You can't really write your show around trying to pander to one group then complain when another group doesn't like the result.
If it weren't for millions of people passionate enough about the franchise to criticize it, there would have never even been a second series.
But given that she was teaching on Bajorian property, in a class room of mostly Bajorian children, shouldn't she of used the Bajorian standards of teaching? And not the standards of a foreign culture (her own)?
While it possible that Keiko at some point in her life came up with her own name, more likely she was named by others.
Keiko repeated referred to them as "entities," why did Keiko think this is what they called themselves?
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