If Star Trek Beyond Is The Last Film Should They Start NuTNG or Recast

[mos6507]

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It's not true that they never go back and continue old continuity. They're doing that right now with Star Wars, for instance, and they're now finally working on a 3rd Tron that still builds off the foundation of the first from 30+ year. It really depends on the property in question.

 

[Dukhat]

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It's not true that they never go back and continue old continuity. They're doing that right now with Star Wars, for instance, and they're now finally working on a 3rd Tron that still builds off the foundation of the first from 30+ year. It really depends on the property in question.

As I said, the closest Hollywood comes to restarting an old continuity is when they lack originality and create prequels or sequels to old movies. And really, it's not even the same thing, since Star Wars and Tron never had a newer reboot of their franchises that was ignored to refocus back to the older continuity.

 

[Trekkin]

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NuTrek is the same continuity as TOS etc. Spock Prime ended up there after Unification, and we follow the characters he met there. The universe also wouldn't exist if not for the events that happened in the previous movies. Ergo, it's a straight sequel to what came before.

It just happens to be that time travel/parallel universe hopping means it also fulfils the basic functions of a reboot...and it's set at a point in time that would make it a prequel.

I personally would rather see Harriman and the crew of the Enterprise B in the NuVerse, rather than skipping straight to Next Gen. I liked the novels with those characters.

 

[BillJ]

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It's not true that they never go back and continue old continuity. They're doing that right now with Star Wars, for instance, and they're now finally working on a 3rd Tron that still builds off the foundation of the first from 30+ year. It really depends on the property in question.

Neither of those franchises had new continuities that had to be dumped to go back to the original.

 

[Kemaiku]

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With the contract extended to 2018 recently, they likely want a window after the 2016 movie to see how it does, and consider production of a fourth.

These movies are popular generally with all audiences and raking in money, and 3 movies isn't that big a franchise yet, still room for growth of the current new universe.

The prime universe is simply gone outside of posters, books, limited cost merchanise that doesn't cross over with the new movies. It wasn't even worth it for the studio to make it while they were actually making it, why would they revert to it now?

As for moving forward, they'll try a new take on the basic formula of Trek with a new cast and *maybe* another setting. It'll look different and likely be cut off from all previous continuities at all.

 

[mos6507]

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Neither of those franchises had new continuities that had to be dumped to go back to the original.

But if you rebooted, you'd 'dump' it anyway. It's just a matter of dumping it for a reboot or dumping it for a continuation of prime. Either way, the JJ Trek-verse reaches end-of-life.

I just don't think the JJ-verse has a lot of legs to it as far as following the cast into middle-age (which most of them already are in by now by virtue of the long gaps between films) or following some other random crew around. It kind of begins and ends as a glorified Muppet Babies experiment.

 

[Long Syntax]

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NuTrek is the same continuity as TOS etc. Spock Prime ended up there after Unification, and we follow the characters he met there. The universe also wouldn't exist if not for the events that happened in the previous movies. Ergo, it's a straight sequel to what came before.

It just happens to be that time travel/parallel universe hopping means it also fulfils the basic functions of a reboot...and it's set at a point in time that would make it a prequel.

I personally would rather see Harriman and the crew of the Enterprise B in the NuVerse, rather than skipping straight to Next Gen. I liked the novels with those characters.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't think NuTrek is the same "continuity". In the first JJ film the planet Vulcan is destroyed in 2258 by Nero. Quite the contrary, this seems to be a distinct timeline.

 

[Kemaiku]

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NuTrek is the same continuity as TOS etc. Spock Prime ended up there after Unification, and we follow the characters he met there. The universe also wouldn't exist if not for the events that happened in the previous movies. Ergo, it's a straight sequel to what came before.

It just happens to be that time travel/parallel universe hopping means it also fulfils the basic functions of a reboot...and it's set at a point in time that would make it a prequel.

I personally would rather see Harriman and the crew of the Enterprise B in the NuVerse, rather than skipping straight to Next Gen. I liked the novels with those characters.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't think NuTrek is the same "continuity". In the first JJ film the planet Vulcan is destroyed in 2258 by Nero. Quite the contrary, this seems to be a distinct timeline.

They apparently shared the same timeline until 2233 as Marcus has a model of the NX-01 and original configuration Constitution class (probably just made for him from the original plans before Nero).

After that they split, prime timeline overstayed it's welcome, NuVerse is here for the foreseeable future.

Until the next bigger reboot, which will probably be a full reboot.

 

[slappy]

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I don't think you can recast Quinto or Urban. The whole thing kinda hinges on them being dead ringers for the old versions. Pine's Kirk is pretty generic and can he can be replace fairly easily. You honestly don't even need Sulu, Chekov and Uhura.

 

[ALF]

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The wait between these films has been unacceptable to retain the enthusiasm....Trek needs a proper cinematic universe plan. Personally I'm hoping for Trek's return to TV... be it either network or Netflix. But this 4-5 year wait between films? Of course the actors would want to move on. Christ, we're two films and what, seven or eight years into this reboot with two Revenge-Plot-Save-The-Earth stories back to back.

Cast and start a rebooted TNG era film series with characters from TNG, DS9 and VOY mixed togther. Continue the current TOS series as an animation with the same voice actors (Quinto, Pine, etc): Best of Both Worlds, pun intended.

 

[Ryan8bit]

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And really, it's not even the same thing, since Star Wars and Tron never had a newer reboot of their franchises that was ignored to refocus back to the older continuity.

What about the Ewok movies?

Star Trek kind of set a new precedent with the continuity built-in reboot. I can't think of too many others quite like it except for maybe Terminator, which has a few times now gone and ignored T3/4. Of course, Terminator isn't exactly the image of an undamaged franchise, hence going back to the parts that are popular (similar to how these new Trek movies did so).

It's not impossible to revisit something just because there isn't much of a precedent. Although honestly, revisiting the continuity would mean what exactly? The biggest difference is whether or not Vulcan is there, and another reboot would be likely to have it there. Yeah, there are visual differences and actor differences, but that stuff is to be expected (as it was for TMP).

 

[Kemaiku]

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Speak for yourself, I'm quite happy with the wait and still enthusiastic enough for them, maybe have a little patience.

Then again I was taught patience was a virtue.

 

[Dukhat]

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But if you rebooted, you'd 'dump' it anyway. It's just a matter of dumping it for a reboot or dumping it for a continuation of prime. Either way, the JJ Trek-verse reaches end-of-life.

So? One could argue that TOS reached its "end of life" when TMP and the rest of the films were made, even though the films take place in the same continuity as TOS. Whether the new films continue with what Abrams started, or are rebooted completely, makes no difference at this point. It's all Star Trek.

I don't think you can recast Quinto or Urban. The whole thing kinda hinges on them being dead ringers for the old versions. Pine's Kirk is pretty generic and can he can be replace fairly easily. You honestly don't even need Sulu, Chekov and Uhura.

Having the actors be "dead ringers" is not important. Look at Pike. Bruce Greenwood is supposed to be the exact same person as Jeffrey Hunter's Pike was, but they look, sound and act nothing alike. And yet Greenwood's take on the character was excellent.

If the producers of the M*A*S*H TV show wanted a dead ringer for Donald Sutherland's Hawkeye from the film, they couldn't have make a more completely wrong choice by casting Alan Alda. Their characters are completely different. And yet it's Alda who everyone knows and loves, not Sutherland.

What about the Ewok movies?

What Ewok movies?

 

[BillJ]

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http://www.treknews.net/2015/04/28/jonathan-frakes-star-trek-not-coming-back-to-tv/

 

[Trekkin]

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NuTrek is the same continuity as TOS etc. Spock Prime ended up there after Unification, and we follow the characters he met there. The universe also wouldn't exist if not for the events that happened in the previous movies. Ergo, it's a straight sequel to what came before.

It just happens to be that time travel/parallel universe hopping means it also fulfils the basic functions of a reboot...and it's set at a point in time that would make it a prequel.

I personally would rather see Harriman and the crew of the Enterprise B in the NuVerse, rather than skipping straight to Next Gen. I liked the novels with those characters.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't think NuTrek is the same "continuity". In the first JJ film the planet Vulcan is destroyed in 2258 by Nero. Quite the contrary, this seems to be a distinct timeline.

I might be the one missing something, but I was under the impression that 'continuity' referred to a sort-of Doylist or meta perspective. The way the charcaters perceive things doesn't matter, it's simply what the writers want to be included that does.

'In A Mirror Darkly...' is still part of Enterprises continuity, even though in the main characters universe the depicted events never happened. It's only 'crosses over' later when the TOS/DS9 characters pay that world a visit. As are the alternate world's in 'Parallels' and that episode where the Enterprise kept blowing up.

The way the new movies have been set-up, Nu-trek is just in a different setting. It's simply that the new setting means viewers don't have to worry about continuity (unless you wanted to know more about Khan, or Spock Prime and Neros origins.)

Freaking time travel.

There is a way to get around 'move on to a new cast and probably die.' Introduce new characters alongside the current cast and gradually drop the older actors when they get sick of it (don't obviously swap characters Kes/7of9 style.) We'll probably know what they're doing, but hopefully viewers will get attatched to the new characters.

 

[Tim Walker]

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Now as for what Hollywood would reboot and/or recast as far as Trek is concerned? Definitely not VOY or ENT. TNG? Possible, but highly unlikely. A whole new crew on a whole new ship? Doubtful, as that would require actual thought processes to go into creating new characters. TOS? Absolutely. No thought required to recast Kirk or Spock. No need for heavy character exposition to tell the audience who they are, because people who have never even watched the show already know who Kirk and Spock are.

The Powers That Be have been playing it safe with a remake/reboot of TOS. Why take risks with a new ship and new characters? (I find this disappointing considering the cool ideas appearing on this forum ). A TNG remake/reboot is therefore the only possible alternative to the TOS remake/reboot, and even that is only a remote possibility.

 

[Nerys Myk]

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It's not true that they never go back and continue old continuity. They're doing that right now with Star Wars, for instance, and they're now finally working on a 3rd Tron that still builds off the foundation of the first from 30+ year. It really depends on the property in question.

When did Tron and Star Wars leave the old continuity? The Tron films,as far as I know, are sequels in every way to the first film. The Star Wars film may have been made out of order, but they're all in the same continuity.

 

[Trekkin]

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There was Tron 2.0, but I don't think that was ever 'officially' part of the continuity anyway. Kind-of like the Star Wars EU (except Clone Wars) never was.

 

[Oso Blanco]

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So basically keep rebooting Kirk and Company? In my opinion that would get boring real quick and would never bring the franchise forward.

Exactly. They got away with it once, because of that clever alternate timeline story ... but yet another reboot would ruin it for me.

 

[mos6507]

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The wait between these films has been unacceptable to retain the enthusiasm....

It's rare for sequels widely spaced to be able to really pick up the fanbase right where it left off. The only person I know of who is capable of doing that routinely is James Cameron, T2 coming out long after T1, and Aliens picking the franchise back up several years after Alien, and the first Avatar sequel still being pretty far off. For "normal" franchises, going over 2 years between films is really pushing it, especially when the whole premise here is a fresh-faced right-out-of-the-academy vibe.