Whereas I thought all that "information" explained a lot about Mulgrew's approach to Janeway's sexuality.
Kate Mulgrew's Memoir "Born with Teeth".
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Whereas I thought all that "information" explained a lot about Mulgrew's approach to Janeway's sexuality.
^ Im sorry but have i missed something here.. Sexuality? Janeway is straight. Certainly according to Mulgrew and religiously preached by Mulgrew for years and bloody years 
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I have not read the book and have no intentions of
. I had seen a post someone wrote in which Mulgrew commented on Egan
I Hope im not misunderstanding you , but surely from what your saying is that. She is anything but straight - (although Mulgrew says she is straight) because of her wrong choice of men?
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Mulgrew is a very complex and difficult person. Period.I do not think she will be happy with anyone vica versa. She still and will continue to date men . That is in her make up and im sure she would rather beat herself with a stick than not to continue to date men. Yep their are assholes in the world but Mulgrew comes from the old school and with that carries historical, some what primitive beliefs .Thats Mulgrew for ya
Again ,hope i have not misunderstood your post
..I have not read the book and have no intentions of
. I had seen a post someone wrote in which Mulgrew commented on EganI Hope im not misunderstanding you , but surely from what your saying is that. She is anything but straight - (although Mulgrew says she is straight) because of her wrong choice of men?
..Mulgrew is a very complex and difficult person. Period.I do not think she will be happy with anyone vica versa. She still and will continue to date men . That is in her make up and im sure she would rather beat herself with a stick than not to continue to date men. Yep their are assholes in the world but Mulgrew comes from the old school and with that carries historical, some what primitive beliefs .Thats Mulgrew for ya
Again ,hope i have not misunderstood your post
Yeah, so? Sexuality includes heterosexuals.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sexuality^ Im sorry but have i missed something here.. Sexuality? Janeway is straight. Certainly according to Mulgrew and religiously preached by Mulgrew for years and bloody years
I have not read the book and have no intentions of
I Hope im not misunderstanding you , but surely from what your saying is that. She is anything but straight - (although Mulgrew says she is straight) because of her wrong choice of men?
Mulgrew is a very complex and difficult person. Period.I do not think she will be happy with anyone vica versa. She still and will continue to date men . That is in her make up and im sure she would rather beat herself with a stick than not to continue to date men. Yep their are assholes in the world but Mulgrew comes from the old school and with that carries historical, some what primitive beliefs .Thats Mulgrew for ya
Again ,hope i have not misunderstood your post
^ Im sorry but have i missed something here.. Sexuality? Janeway is straight. Certainly according to Mulgrew and religiously preached by Mulgrew for years and bloody years
I have not read the book and have no intentions of
I Hope im not misunderstanding you , but surely from what your saying is that. She is anything but straight - (although Mulgrew says she is straight) because of her wrong choice of men?
Mulgrew is a very complex and difficult person. Period.I do not think she will be happy with anyone vica versa. She still and will continue to date men . That is in her make up and im sure she would rather beat herself with a stick than not to continue to date men. Yep their are assholes in the world but Mulgrew comes from the old school and with that carries historical, some what primitive beliefs .Thats Mulgrew for ya
Again ,hope i have not misunderstood your post
I think you need your universal translator tuned.
Simply put, Yes, you have misunderstood my post.
Thank you.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sexuality^ Im sorry but have i missed something here.. Sexuality? Janeway is straight. Certainly according to Mulgrew and religiously preached by Mulgrew for years and bloody years
I have not read the book and have no intentions of
I Hope im not misunderstanding you , but surely from what your saying is that. She is anything but straight - (although Mulgrew says she is straight) because of her wrong choice of men?
Mulgrew is a very complex and difficult person. Period.I do not think she will be happy with anyone vica versa. She still and will continue to date men . That is in her make up and im sure she would rather beat herself with a stick than not to continue to date men. Yep their are assholes in the world but Mulgrew comes from the old school and with that carries historical, some what primitive beliefs .Thats Mulgrew for ya
Again ,hope i have not misunderstood your post
Thank you for reassuring me that I wasn't being obtuse.
For those who HAVE read the memoir, or plan on it, I was referring to the comments people frequently toss around re: Mulgrew's iron fist control over Janeway's sexuality. Often I've seen suggestions that Mulgrew's "uptight conservative religious upbringing" prevents her from considering casual sexual relationships for her character on board Voyager.
Those of us who've read the memoir can see there was nothing uptight or conservative in her upbringing and that sex was not something she merely read about or watched on X rated films.
My suspicion is that Mulgrew couldn't allow Janeway to lose control or be vulnerable in any way, so she wouldn't allow free expression of her heterosexuality during her sojourn on Voyager.
The book does lean heavily on her major relationships with men and how they've colored her life. I have to admit that I really enjoyed when she talked about her friends and what they brought to her life.
Perhaps volume 2 will expand beyond the angst of loss and illustrate why Nancy described Kate as her soul mate and whether Kate and Beth continued to be each other's "rock to cling to" in the storm.
What I'd really like her to mention, which she only did once, briefly and then only in relation to her mother, is Mother Columba (sp? I already leant the book so I can't check). Anyway, I think she's the Nun who was friend's with Kate's mom. Did you notice where else that name showed up in the later chapters?
Thanks for the clarification Janewayrulz
I agree with Mulgrew's decision not to have Janeway sleep around with members of her crew. Starfleet was a military institution akin to the Navy. There are strict rules within the military that prohibit COs from engaging in sexual relations with subordinates. It is conduct unbecoming an officer and grounds for a court martial.
Furthermore, Mulgrew felt that it was also inappropriate for a woman captain to sleep around with her first officer, or anyone else on the ship. There is still a double standard now, let alone in the mid 90s, about how professional women should conduct themselves.
Kate wanted Janeway to be taken seriously, to be respected, to be a role model for girls and women. She didn't want to be seen as some bimbo who was bed hopping with crew members and aliens alike. She felt that Kirk, or even Picard, could conduct themselves in ways that Janeway couldn't as a woman.
How she lived her personal life had nothing to do with her choices for the character.
Furthermore, Mulgrew felt that it was also inappropriate for a woman captain to sleep around with her first officer, or anyone else on the ship. There is still a double standard now, let alone in the mid 90s, about how professional women should conduct themselves.
Kate wanted Janeway to be taken seriously, to be respected, to be a role model for girls and women. She didn't want to be seen as some bimbo who was bed hopping with crew members and aliens alike. She felt that Kirk, or even Picard, could conduct themselves in ways that Janeway couldn't as a woman.
How she lived her personal life had nothing to do with her choices for the character.
Star Trek is so sexless and sucks so bad at relationships and romance that I'm glad all we got is lingering J/C affections and J/7 subtext, plus Workforce guy who was lovely. The chance of it being very cringey, awkward or wtf is too high.
They very nicely tied up the J/C in the novels, which shocked me as it's not like fans get catered to in treklit very often. I honestly never expected it, figured if they gave her anyone it would be some bland Admiral they made up.
They very nicely tied up the J/C in the novels, which shocked me as it's not like fans get catered to in treklit very often. I honestly never expected it, figured if they gave her anyone it would be some bland Admiral they made up.
I think that in the books they finally allowed Janeway to have a relationship with Chakotay because fans were upset and felt cheated that after seven years the show decided to pair Chakotay with Seven just when the series was about to end and it was finally possible for Janeway and Chakotay to have a relationship once they got back to Earth. The C/7 relationship came out of nowhere, they weren't particularly close. Chakotay had even been adamantly opposed to Kathryn's efforts to "rehumanize" Seven. For a long time he wasn't sure if keeping Seven onboard hadn't been a mistake. Then TPTB decided that they needed to raise ratings and they came up with the idea of C/7. A Seven/Doctor pairing would have made more sense.
The books tried to rectify the show's mistake. Although, some genius decided to kill Kathryn. That too caused such an outrage among the fandom that they had to figure out a way to bring her back to life. Will they ever learn not to mess with J/C? LOL!!!
The books tried to rectify the show's mistake. Although, some genius decided to kill Kathryn. That too caused such an outrage among the fandom that they had to figure out a way to bring her back to life. Will they ever learn not to mess with J/C? LOL!!!
I dunno, I think they used Chak because he was there. I'm not sure it was for "the fans". See, Peter David.
I was also at the B&N signing but wanted to finish the book before posting. BTW - the event was taped so eventually you should be able to see it on YouTube.
The intro with Augusten Burroughs might have been a tad long, but how lovely that we live in times when Burroughs can casually mention "my husband, Chris" and nobody bats an eye. Well, at least in NYC.
As said upthread, Kate looked fabulous and her charisma, as usual, could light up Times Square. And a friend with me who had never seen her offstage/offcamera was knocked out by her graciousness.
I liked you acting question, Beawild. Wouldn't that be a wonderful workshop.
Someone asked about KM's favorite Voyager episode. She said "Death Wish" but got some plot details wrong. (As who wouldn't after all this time. Um, except for Voyager geeks.)
I wondered if some hardcore Trekker would pop up and point out that suicidal Q was not Q's son nor was he a "young man." I kid, I kid. Trekkers are a well-mannered lot. I think. In fact, the only visible Trekker I saw was a well-dressed young man with a handsome combadge on his jacket.
As for the book, "Born With Teeth" is a literate, entertaining read and boy does KM know how to build a dramatic scene. One of the best is KM hanging around in her trailer waiting for her daughter to call and threatening the bewildered 2nd AD to leave her alone. Very tense, moving, and funny at the same time.
That said, there isn't much Voyager stuff because this is an offscreen life memoir and searching for the daughter is the thread that runs through it.
At first I thought it odd that KM would write frankly about her love affairs and yet say very little about Rick Kolbe. He's simply described as a handsome, intelligent director with "a slight German accent." On second thought, I'd guess she didn't want to get into offscreen Voyager dramas and Kolbe is dead, after all.
[END OF BOOK SPOILER]
The book ends with KM and Tim Hagan meeting at the Bel-Air Hotel after a five year hiatus in their relationship. In 2015 Mulgrew fans know that she and Hagan have parted, Mrs. Mulgrew was clearly in the early stages of Alzheimer's that killed her, and KM's had a successful stage and television career after Voyager.
Like all good writers she leaves the audience wanting to know What Happened Next. I hope she writes it.
The intro with Augusten Burroughs might have been a tad long, but how lovely that we live in times when Burroughs can casually mention "my husband, Chris" and nobody bats an eye. Well, at least in NYC.
As said upthread, Kate looked fabulous and her charisma, as usual, could light up Times Square. And a friend with me who had never seen her offstage/offcamera was knocked out by her graciousness.
I liked you acting question, Beawild. Wouldn't that be a wonderful workshop.
Someone asked about KM's favorite Voyager episode. She said "Death Wish" but got some plot details wrong. (As who wouldn't after all this time. Um, except for Voyager geeks.)
I wondered if some hardcore Trekker would pop up and point out that suicidal Q was not Q's son nor was he a "young man." I kid, I kid. Trekkers are a well-mannered lot. I think. In fact, the only visible Trekker I saw was a well-dressed young man with a handsome combadge on his jacket.
As for the book, "Born With Teeth" is a literate, entertaining read and boy does KM know how to build a dramatic scene. One of the best is KM hanging around in her trailer waiting for her daughter to call and threatening the bewildered 2nd AD to leave her alone. Very tense, moving, and funny at the same time.
That said, there isn't much Voyager stuff because this is an offscreen life memoir and searching for the daughter is the thread that runs through it.
At first I thought it odd that KM would write frankly about her love affairs and yet say very little about Rick Kolbe. He's simply described as a handsome, intelligent director with "a slight German accent." On second thought, I'd guess she didn't want to get into offscreen Voyager dramas and Kolbe is dead, after all.
[END OF BOOK SPOILER]
The book ends with KM and Tim Hagan meeting at the Bel-Air Hotel after a five year hiatus in their relationship. In 2015 Mulgrew fans know that she and Hagan have parted, Mrs. Mulgrew was clearly in the early stages of Alzheimer's that killed her, and KM's had a successful stage and television career after Voyager.
Like all good writers she leaves the audience wanting to know What Happened Next. I hope she writes it.
Hello TheLadyEve, thank you for your comment. I was a bit nervous to ask the question, but I think that there would be a lot of interest from younger actors to attend an acting workshop, if she ever held one. Star Trek conventions and book signings are not the proper forums to talk about the craft.
I didn't know that anyone else had attended from this board. Wasn't it a lovely evening? She was as intelligent, funny and witty as I've seen her be in other interviews.
A memoir is not the same as an autobiography, so some people will be disappointed that she doesn't gossip much about fellow actors and more on what went behind the scenes on Voyager, Ryan's Hope, etc. She ended the book in the late 90s. I assume that at some point she'll write another one that deals with the latter part of her life.
I gather that she's no longer with Tim Hagan, but are they divorced? Wikipedia and other sites have her as still married, but I have seen recent interviews with Kate where she mentions a boyfriend. They were comments in passing, not specifically about him. For example, she mentioned that her boyfriend woke her up when the call came from the Emmy's Committee informing her that she had been nominated for her work on OITNB. So I wonder if Kate and Tim are just separated or did they divorce. It's a shame that the marriage didn't last because for years she kept saying that Tim was her soul mate, that she had never felt such a connection with someone like she did with him. Oh, well.....
I didn't know that anyone else had attended from this board. Wasn't it a lovely evening? She was as intelligent, funny and witty as I've seen her be in other interviews.
A memoir is not the same as an autobiography, so some people will be disappointed that she doesn't gossip much about fellow actors and more on what went behind the scenes on Voyager, Ryan's Hope, etc. She ended the book in the late 90s. I assume that at some point she'll write another one that deals with the latter part of her life.
I gather that she's no longer with Tim Hagan, but are they divorced? Wikipedia and other sites have her as still married, but I have seen recent interviews with Kate where she mentions a boyfriend. They were comments in passing, not specifically about him. For example, she mentioned that her boyfriend woke her up when the call came from the Emmy's Committee informing her that she had been nominated for her work on OITNB. So I wonder if Kate and Tim are just separated or did they divorce. It's a shame that the marriage didn't last because for years she kept saying that Tim was her soul mate, that she had never felt such a connection with someone like she did with him. Oh, well.....
In the audio interview (I linked it somewhere above) with her webmistress, Connie, they do mention her divorce from Hagan.
Thanks for the audio link with the webmistress, JanewayRulz. In the more theatrical parts of it KM reminded me of Dianne Wiest in "Bullets Over Broadway."
I'm not familiar with that show. 
Here's Kate, back home in Iowa.
http://www.thonline.com/news/dubuque/article_94257842-e961-11e4-9fb0-0fb999b7f6fc.html
http://www.radioiowa.com/2015/04/22...-in-ne-iowa-to-launch-film-fest-promote-book/
Here's Kate, back home in Iowa.
http://www.thonline.com/news/dubuque/article_94257842-e961-11e4-9fb0-0fb999b7f6fc.html
http://www.radioiowa.com/2015/04/22...-in-ne-iowa-to-launch-film-fest-promote-book/
Thank you. I just heard the entire interview and it's during the last minute of it that Connie asks her if she regrets divorcing Tim.
Kate: Yes, of course I do. I have a lot of regrets, of course I do. I loved him deeply, but it was what it was. We are only human, trying to seek our respective happiness, and he remains one of the finest men....well, certainly....I've ever met...and yeah, there's regret there. That's the way the ball bounces.
Kate sounded sad when she talked about her divorce. I wish that there had been a video. I would have liked to have seen the expression on her face. I wonder what prompted her to divorce him. It was clear from Connie's question that the divorce was Kate's doing.
She's been dating a media mogul named Bennett Zier for the last few years. Here are some pics of the two together. The other woman in the last photo is Kate's sister Jenny.
http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/i...225005831149_27_KMulgrewBZier_101909_0322.jpg
http://cdn.theatermania.com/article/57030/9.jpg
https://i1.wp.com/www.totallykate.com/stella09/stella6.jpg
^ That may explain her dramatic physical body changes. Rotten with guilt.. She could always go back to him?. I think someone mentioned she tried to and he turned her away or something. Dunno whether it was just someones speculation
Tom seemed to be a very domineering man -being this big ole politician and all. Think he wanted her to be the dutiful stay at home wife and she wanted both . Of course he wasn't having none of it which inevitably causes problems.
I sincerely hope she remains with this mogul guy and stop flaunting around. She certainly isn't getting any younger you know
Tom seemed to be a very domineering man -being this big ole politician and all. Think he wanted her to be the dutiful stay at home wife and she wanted both . Of course he wasn't having none of it which inevitably causes problems.
I sincerely hope she remains with this mogul guy and stop flaunting around. She certainly isn't getting any younger you know
https://vimeo.com/125762823
We sang Happy Birthday at the book signing event. Thanks Dubuque film dude.
We sang Happy Birthday at the book signing event. Thanks Dubuque film dude.
Thank you. I just heard the entire interview and it's during the last minute of it that Connie asks her if she regrets divorcing Tim.
Kate: Yes, of course I do. I have a lot of regrets, of course I do. I loved him deeply, but it was what it was. We are only human, trying to seek our respective happiness, and he remains one of the finest men....well, certainly....I've ever met...and yeah, there's regret there. That's the way the ball bounces.
Kate sounded sad when she talked about her divorce. I wish that there had been a video. I would have liked to have seen the expression on her face. I wonder what prompted her to divorce him. It was clear from Connie's question that the divorce was Kate's doing.
She's been dating a media mogul named Bennett Zier for the last few years. Here are some pics of the two together. The other woman in the last photo is Kate's sister Jenny.
http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/i...225005831149_27_KMulgrewBZier_101909_0322.jpg
http://cdn.theatermania.com/article/57030/9.jpg
https://i1.wp.com/www.totallykate.com/stella09/stella6.jpg
I suspect that Stage Actress Kate's dream was always to live in New York City after Voyager and Tim's wasn't.
Jenny and Kate don't look like "2 peas in a pod" anymore.
Hey, was that you leading the singing?
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JanewayRulz!;11007256 I suspect that Stage Actress Kate's dream was always to live in New York City after Voyager and Tim's wasn't. :shrug: Jenny and Kate don't look like "2 pees in a pod" anymore. :) [/QUOTE said:I too assume that her career was what drove them apart. I read more than one old interview where she stated that once her boys were "out of the coop" she wanted to get an apt. in New York and move there. There really is no other city like NY for an actor who loves stage work.
This is my personal opinion, not something I've heard her say, but I get the feeling that she wanted to move to NY and Tim refused. He's 9 years older than Kate and has been retired from politics for some time, but his whole life is in OH. His family and everything he knows and loves is there. Kate only moved to OH to be with him. She must have been chafing at the bit to get back to NY to pursue her career.
I guess that I understand her because I used to be in the business too (although I had never met Kate before her book signing). To Kate acting seems to be as necessary as breathing. She has mentioned throughout her public life how much she's driven by the craft. I guess the relationship came to a head when she had to choose between staying in OH or being true to herself and pursuing the one thing that she has loved since she was a young child. It must have been a heartbreaking choice, but she must have felt that it was the right choice for her. She probably was just miserable without acting. It's a shame that she couldn't have both loves, but in the end we all have to do what makes us happy or we end up resenting the other person.
