J/7 10 years on.Will there still be sparks or will it died out?

[Peach Wookiee]

I watched the whole series and I think we'll have to agree to disagree on J/7
I could live with that

But on C/7 we are in agreement. That was just... he was having a midlife crisis..

I also think it was the most shitest acting i have ever seen from Ryan .. I wont even comment on Beltran's because he has been as rigid as a plank from season 1. Ryan appeared to be nervous and uncomfortable in the most intimate scenes and it lacked sensuality . It just wasn't there between the actors . When i saw it back in 2000 , i spent most of the time fast forwarding it to Janeway/Admiral and Janeway/Seven..

I read the J/C fanfic, myself, lol. But if they wanted to set things up, they could've had it going at least at the start of the season! Worf and Troi got better than that!

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

@Peach Wookiee, Chakotay was either having a mid-life crisis or after coming to terms that he and Janeway were not going to happen, he settled for the woman who was CLOSEST to Janeway

 

[Peach Wookiee]

They could've started that at the beginning of season 7 if they were going to go that way. Rather than cramming it in at the last few episodes! I could've handled that, but the whole thing was rushed and wrong! I would've handled Worf/Troi being canon though I was a Riker/Troi shipper because they took their time and established things. Not with C/7.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

It was weird. Oh well. Their brief courtship can be easily erased from memory.

 

[K'Toska]

It had been erased from mine until I read this thread. Yikes.

 

[JTShanks]

From one of the more recent conventions with both Garrett Wang and Jeri Ryan; they did say that there was originally going to have Kate Mulgrew there too to show that they don't want to have any more hard feelings anymore. But the convention masters (that's what Garrett called them) wouldn't allow it.

According to what Garrett said that Kate wants to settle it and bury the hatchet and Jeri did express interest in wanting it.

I think it may happen one day fellow Voyager fans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je-w7Fat3sM

 

[Janeway7trulv]

You guys got your f!cking J/C at two conventions. It is more than what the J/7s got because of those pigging immature kids ( Ryan /Mulgrew) carrying this pigging feud for pigging centuries . What more do you pigging want ? Pigging hell......Oooo did i just have my"kick off" moment there! . My apologies

 

[SPCTRE]

I/7 all the way.

 

[Janeway7trulv]

From one of the more recent conventions with both Garrett Wang and Jeri Ryan; they did say that there was originally going to have Kate Mulgrew there too to show that they don't want to have any more hard feelings anymore. But the convention masters (that's what Garrett called them) wouldn't allow it.

According to what Garrett said that Kate wants to settle it and bury the hatchet and Jeri did express interest in wanting it.

I think it may happen one day fellow Voyager fans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je-w7Fat3sM

Hi JTShanks, Welcome and thank you for staying on topic

I came across that by accident. It was shocking ,but yet moving what Wang intended to do . I didnt realize it affected him as much as it did . To be honest i was expecting something like that from Picard or even McNeill as they are the ones close to both of them.. In particularly Picard. I recall Mulgrew said he taught her to love , but yet he stayed away from the feud and didn't appear to attempt to get them back together - at least not in public

You know as wonderful as that may sound. Im not sure i believe it could have a happy ending. To much has gone on - not only professionally but personally. It will only drag up bad memories and their is a chance it will revolve back to the feud situation.

They had the opportunity (before dramatic changes in their lives evolved) to make things right but it just didnt happen, so im puzzled as to why now Mulgrew( if indeed it is true) has expressed wishes to end the feud. Im not sure what they can bring to each other anymore.. Im not sure whether it is a case of sentiment as they are getting older and have witnessed close friends dying away from illnesses and such like and do not want to be left with the guilt of knowing they had not ended the feud if one of them keels over someplace <shrugs>

Either ways, Ryan -in the same segment said she would not entertain the notion of doing a reunion , but yet constantly attends conventions. I don't know whether that is contractual or money.

 

[JTShanks]

From one of the more recent conventions with both Garrett Wang and Jeri Ryan; they did say that there was originally going to have Kate Mulgrew there too to show that they don't want to have any more hard feelings anymore. But the convention masters (that's what Garrett called them) wouldn't allow it.

According to what Garrett said that Kate wants to settle it and bury the hatchet and Jeri did express interest in wanting it.

I think it may happen one day fellow Voyager fans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je-w7Fat3sM

Hi JTShanks, Welcome and thank you for staying on topic

I came across that by accident. It was shocking ,but yet moving what Wang intended to do . I didnt realize it affected him as much as it did . To be honest i was expecting something like that from Picard or even McNeill as they are the ones close to both of them.. In particularly Picard. I recall Mulgrew said he taught her to love , but yet he stayed away from the feud and didn't appear to attempt to get them back together - at least not in public

You know as wonderful as that may sound. Im not sure i believe it could have a happy ending. To much has gone on - not only professionally but personally. It will only drag up bad memories and their is a chance it will revolve back to the feud situation.

They had the opportunity (before dramatic changes in their lives evolved) to make things right but it just didnt happen, so im puzzled as to why now Mulgrew( if indeed it is true) has expressed wishes to end the feud. Im not sure what they can bring to each other anymore.. Im not sure whether it is a case of sentiment as they are getting older and have witnessed close friends dying away from illnesses and such like and do not want to be left with the guilt of knowing they had not ended the feud if one of them keels over someplace <shrugs>

Either ways, Ryan -in the same segment said she would not entertain the notion of doing a reunion , but yet constantly attends conventions. I don't know whether that is contractual or money.

I think it is because of contractual reasons, according to the people who met Jeri Ryan, she is not afraid to hug fans.

As for the Feud, I think it might be because they are indeed getting older and keeping on a feud that happened in the past is just idiotic in that frame of mind. They moved on, and became much more than the show itself. Both actresses became successful outside of Trek and done successful talents in some decent grade hollywood works. I trust Garrett Wang's words, from what I know he has no reason to lie. Getting people's hopes up like that is not of his character as a person from what I can tell.

And I can understand Jeri not entertaining or teasing the idea of a Reunion; it would be difficult to do, maybe impossible because of the differing schedules at this time. So basically... I think that burying the hatchet at least is likely in the future. Either way, I want this settled before it's too late and people regret things.

 

[Janeway7trulv]

[QUOTE]I think it is because of contractual reasons, according to the people who met Jeri Ryan, she is not afraid to hug fans. [/QUOTE]

I never understood that.. I thought once the show has ended , it was not compulsory to attend conventions. Ryan did not make any appearances for a number of years after the show - although she puts it down to the stalker situation . Wang however gave a different version as to why she stayed away . I never doubted Wang's story for the very beginning.. However , It does appear to me he has always been "Team Ryan" mainly because he had been infatuated by her for several years

I have heard stories in the past she didn't entertain the idea of hugging her fans. Maybe she was having a "nose up her own hooter" period in her life .

As for the Feud, I think it might be because they are indeed getting older and keeping on a feud that happened in the past is just idiotic in that frame of mind And I can understand Jeri not entertaining or teasing the idea of a Reunion; it would be difficult to do, maybe impossible because of the differing schedules at this time.

It does not appear in the clip that Ryan entertained the idea of ending the feud with Mulgrew. If you look closely, It looks like she just simply thanked Mulgrew for having the balls to convey what she felt through Wang .

I think Ryan was just being polite and didn't want the audience to think she was a bitter old bitch if she responded negativity. Just a few seconds before, when she was asked if she saw Janeway as a mentor, she immediately said no , but then went back on herself and ask for clarification.
Something tells me she is the one keeping the feud alive than Mulgrew. I have said this in the beginning and i will say it again. There is a lot more that went on that we will ever be privy to . I know that relationships that prelong feuds are the ones which started off the deepest. The deepest relationships are the hardest to overcome .

Ryans latest stab at Mulgrew is a testimony to the fact she is still very angry and hurt by Mulgrew.

You know it kinda makes me laugh at the very thought that when they both arrive at a convention. Mulgrew and Ryans bodyguards scramble to ensure the two do not come in close proximity of each other

Even though i would love for them to bury the hatchet, i am curious as to what they can possibly bring to each others lives. I honestly feel that the best years were when they worked together( although most of that was spend fighting~). I think they had something to savage. Ryan has since married and had a daughter. Mulgrew - a boyfriend , so what can possibly be savaged?

I guess maybe it is the case they are getting older and just wanting to have the opportunity to say sorry in attempts this will help any anxieties if anything was to happen .

Mulgrew has done and said a lot of stupid things in the past and im definitely sure Ryan has also . It will be interested to see if anything will come of it all.. I wouldnt hold my breathe on that one tho

 

[Jedi_Master]

So I am confused... which one is it:

Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew are madly in love with each other

or

Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew hate each other?

 

[Janeway7trulv]

^ both ... A love /hate Relationship from the start

For the purpose of people who think otherwise..It could also be a friendship that have gone sour

 

[Jedi_Master]

I'm going to go with:

They were co-workers who may have had a minor personality conflict, a conflict that has been exaggerated by another of their co-workers to give him something to talk about on the convention circuit.

 

[Janeway7trulv]

Jedi Master, If that was the case, Jeri would have set the record straight in that clip .. If you took the time to watch the video clip (which JTshanks kindly attached) , you will see that Jeri has confirmed Wang's stories. Also if you read the full page " Slaughter feast" that Ryan conducted in a recent interview where she sold Mulgrew out like a two bit hoe, it will give you a clearer picture
McNeill (who is Mulgrew's closet friends) also admitted they had several bust ups - He even joked that he and the guys enjoyed their little spats. The only one that appeared to have his head in the clouds was Picardo. I think he stated he was oblivious to the situation -just to protect them both

I dont think Wang has exaggerated it at all- infact i think he played down how horrific it really was. Personally i would not be surprised if it was physical

Contradictory to populate belief, i can imagine that Mulgrew has frighteningly dangerous anger when she doesn't get what she wants. I am not saying she was totally to blame for a lot of what went on between them -only they know what participated those fights and i can guarantee those fights was a result of a lot more than a simple clash of personalities or competitiveness.

 

[Jedi_Master]

The only problem is --- none of us were there, so all we have to go on are second hand stories and supposition.

 

[Janeway7trulv]

But not every one can tell the same story or at least all claim they had a lot of fights can they.. If it was only Wang who made those allegations , than one can say, he has a " bee in his bonnet" because Mulgrew didnt fight to have him direct an episode and he is still holding a grudge..

I do not doubt he may have some resentment, but Ryan herself confirmed it and also threw Mulgrew under the bus - with her revealing interview of how badly Mulgrew treated her.. Its funny how she failed to mention the good times she had with Mulgrew and what Mulgrew has done for her. Instead chose to focus on being a victim. Then again , she needs all the cash she can get for her husbands new restaurant. I sincerely hope it was worth it . If not she will not hesitate to do a sequel where she will go into more detail on how those fights developed..You never know she may throw in some pictures or two of the bruises

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Wang CRYING on a panel at a con because Kate and Jeri aren't friends 14 years after VOY finished was the most attention seeking piece of nonsense I've seen in Trekdom.

If people want to take this seriously good for them! It's nice for Wang to get an acting gig again.

 

[K'Toska]

I understand (well I'm trying to but it's hard when you dislike one of said characters), to some degree, fans fantasizing about Seven of Nine and Capt. Janeway. I'm not sure why it's important that the actresses be friends though. Is this because people are hoping for Voyager to return to the screens and think it can only be achieved if Mulgrew and Ryan become friends? It makes sense that both of them would dislike each other due to what happened (or what supposedly happened). It seems justified on both ends, although I side more with one over the other.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

It's not important that they be friends.

Are you friends with everyone you ever worked with? No.