What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 1701

[The Wormhole]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

As much as I didn't agree with the inclusion reactor room scene at the time, It's the only bit of the film you could say is 'copied' from TWOK, and even then it's a stretch - it's only a few minutes out of the film's 2 hour running time, and it was played out with different characters - even the 'you'd better get down here' line was spoken by a different character. Plus it served to complete Kirk's character arc in the movie.

It's a homage, a nod. The rest of the film is completely different.

Honestly, the first time seeing the movie, that whole scene just took me out of the film completely. As soon as it was set up, my reaction was "are they actually doing this?" and then as the scene went on my reaction became "seriously? They're doing this?"

Even people I know who liked the movie (including one guy who saw it multiple times at the theatre) all agree the scene where "they copied Spock's death with role reversal" was the movie's low point. And really, aside from the role reversal, it is essentially the same scene. The only thing missing was the elderly Chinese guy.

 

[Trekkin]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

As much as I didn't agree with the inclusion reactor room scene at the time, It's the only bit of the film you could say is 'copied' from TWOK, and even then it's a stretch - it's only a few minutes out of the film's 2 hour running time, and it was played out with different characters - even the 'you'd better get down here' line was spoken by a different character. Plus it served to complete Kirk's character arc in the movie.

It's a homage, a nod. The rest of the film is completely different.

Honestly, the first time seeing the movie, that whole scene just took me out of the film completely. As soon as it was set up, my reaction was "are they actually doing this?" and then as the scene went on my reaction became "seriously? They're doing this?"

Even people I know who liked the movie (including one guy who saw it multiple times at the theatre) all agree the scene where "they copied Spock's death with role reversal" was the movie's low point. And really, aside from the role reversal, it is essentially the same scene. The only thing missing was the elderly Chinese guy.

The first time I saw it, I was the same. It was just a 'oh no, don't go there!' moment.

Now I know it's coming, the only thing that really bothers me about it is the 'KHAN!' scream. I think that's the step too far for me.

But overall, I liked the movie. I'd rather the movie be explicitly referencing the TWOK in a few scenes, than sneakily trying to rip-it-off wholesale like Nemesis. I thought it had more in common with TUC and DS9 anyway.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

As much as I didn't agree with the inclusion reactor room scene at the time, It's the only bit of the film you could say is 'copied' from TWOK, and even then it's a stretch - it's only a few minutes out of the film's 2 hour running time, and it was played out with different characters - even the 'you'd better get down here' line was spoken by a different character. Plus it served to complete Kirk's character arc in the movie.

It's a homage, a nod. The rest of the film is completely different.

Honestly, the first time seeing the movie, that whole scene just took me out of the film completely. As soon as it was set up, my reaction was "are they actually doing this?" and then as the scene went on my reaction became "seriously? They're doing this?"

Even people I know who liked the movie (including one guy who saw it multiple times at the theatre) all agree the scene where "they copied Spock's death with role reversal" was the movie's low point. And really, aside from the role reversal, it is essentially the same scene. The only thing missing was the elderly Chinese guy.

The "Khaaaaan" scence also was bad. It seemed out of place for Spock and out of place in the film. He should have yelled "Maaaarcus".

 

[Mr Pointy Ears]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

the original 1701.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

As much as I didn't agree with the inclusion reactor room scene at the time, It's the only bit of the film you could say is 'copied' from TWOK, and even then it's a stretch - it's only a few minutes out of the film's 2 hour running time, and it was played out with different characters - even the 'you'd better get down here' line was spoken by a different character. Plus it served to complete Kirk's character arc in the movie.

It's a homage, a nod. The rest of the film is completely different.

Honestly, the first time seeing the movie, that whole scene just took me out of the film completely. As soon as it was set up, my reaction was "are they actually doing this?" and then as the scene went on my reaction became "seriously? They're doing this?"

Even people I know who liked the movie (including one guy who saw it multiple times at the theatre) all agree the scene where "they copied Spock's death with role reversal" was the movie's low point. And really, aside from the role reversal, it is essentially the same scene. The only thing missing was the elderly Chinese guy.

The "Khaaaaan" scence also was bad. It seemed out of place for Spock and out of place in the film. He should have yelled "Maaaarcus".

You've said that before.

Marcus was dead by the time Kirk died. Khan's firing on the Enterprise is what brought her down and forced Kirk into the reactor.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

Honestly, the first time seeing the movie, that whole scene just took me out of the film completely. As soon as it was set up, my reaction was "are they actually doing this?" and then as the scene went on my reaction became "seriously? They're doing this?"

Even people I know who liked the movie (including one guy who saw it multiple times at the theatre) all agree the scene where "they copied Spock's death with role reversal" was the movie's low point. And really, aside from the role reversal, it is essentially the same scene. The only thing missing was the elderly Chinese guy.

This.

Kill Kirk! Fine! I love it, I'm down with Magic Blood(tm). But you have to be out of your Vulcan mind to just swipe the two most iconic elements from arguably one of the most iconic Trek films ever and toss them in the blender.

A nod to why dis guy (CumberKHAN) doesn't look like dat guy (MontalKHAN) would have been nice; everything else about Khan is fab...if you have to go there...which you don't...unless you're Damon Lindelof, apparently.

Those two (three?) things are the worst about STID. Everything else is just followthrough from the 2009 film, which, if you don't like it by now, there's no hope. (which, by the way, I do.)

(if I never read the word "scream" on this board again I'll be a happy, happy man.)

 

[fireproof78]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

As much as I didn't agree with the inclusion reactor room scene at the time, It's the only bit of the film you could say is 'copied' from TWOK, and even then it's a stretch - it's only a few minutes out of the film's 2 hour running time, and it was played out with different characters - even the 'you'd better get down here' line was spoken by a different character. Plus it served to complete Kirk's character arc in the movie.

It's a homage, a nod. The rest of the film is completely different.

I agree on this point.

I know its definitely a personal preference (like the original topic) but the death scene works because of the performances and the arc it completes.

Also, if we get annoyed at them using one scene from TWOK, then we should be really annoyed at them for constantly using Shakespeare.

 

[Smellmet]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

As much as I didn't agree with the inclusion reactor room scene at the time, It's the only bit of the film you could say is 'copied' from TWOK, and even then it's a stretch - it's only a few minutes out of the film's 2 hour running time, and it was played out with different characters - even the 'you'd better get down here' line was spoken by a different character. Plus it served to complete Kirk's character arc in the movie.

It's a homage, a nod. The rest of the film is completely different.

Honestly, the first time seeing the movie, that whole scene just took me out of the film completely. As soon as it was set up, my reaction was "are they actually doing this?" and then as the scene went on my reaction became "seriously? They're doing this?"

Even people I know who liked the movie (including one guy who saw it multiple times at the theatre) all agree the scene where "they copied Spock's death with role reversal" was the movie's low point. And really, aside from the role reversal, it is essentially the same scene. The only thing missing was the elderly Chinese guy.

The first time I saw it, I was the same. It was just a 'oh no, don't go there!' moment.

Now I know it's coming, the only thing that really bothers me about it is the 'KHAN!' scream. I think that's the step too far for me.

But overall, I liked the movie. I'd rather the movie be explicitly referencing the TWOK in a few scenes, than sneakily trying to rip-it-off wholesale like Nemesis. I thought it had more in common with TUC and DS9 anyway.

Don't get me wrong - I'd rather it not be included and Kirk save the ship in another way, and just like you as soon as I you hear Scotty tell Kirk 'you can't go in there' I was the same - it took me out of the film. Now I know it's coming it's not so bad, it's just the Khan scream that pushes it a bit too far for me, but I've made peace with it, and I can just about roll with it now.

 

[Belz...]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

Even people I know who liked the movie (including one guy who saw it multiple times at the theatre) all agree the scene where "they copied Spock's death with role reversal" was the movie's low point.

Personally I liked the idea of reversing what had happened in the prime universe. The only low point for me is the "KHAAAAN" bit. I don't mind Spock raging and shouting Khan's name in anger, but the way it was performed just doesn't work for me.

The rest is fine.

 

[martok2112]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

Even people I know who liked the movie (including one guy who saw it multiple times at the theatre) all agree the scene where "they copied Spock's death with role reversal" was the movie's low point.

Personally I liked the idea of reversing what had happened in the prime universe. The only low point for me is the "KHAAAAN" bit. I don't mind Spock raging and shouting Khan's name in anger, but the way it was performed just doesn't work for me.

The rest is fine.

I will admit, his scream of Khannnnnn did make me think of Vader's "Nooooooooooo!!!!" in Revenge of the Sith. I have no problem with the idea....if only he'd hit the line better.

Other than that, the movie was fine.

 

[Cyke101]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

Even people I know who liked the movie (including one guy who saw it multiple times at the theatre) all agree the scene where "they copied Spock's death with role reversal" was the movie's low point.

Personally I liked the idea of reversing what had happened in the prime universe. The only low point for me is the "KHAAAAN" bit. I don't mind Spock raging and shouting Khan's name in anger, but the way it was performed just doesn't work for me.

The rest is fine.

I appreciate that Kirk's death was the culmination of everything that had happened to him in the movie, and to me that would make the role reversal via alt-reality a bit neater (how many times have we seen that in Trek anyway, where one moment changes everything? Sometimes it's neat to see how things get to that point).

The scream, though -- THAT's what took me out of it. Completely unnecessary fanwanking, perhaps brought on by internet memes.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

Even people I know who liked the movie (including one guy who saw it multiple times at the theatre) all agree the scene where "they copied Spock's death with role reversal" was the movie's low point.

Personally I liked the idea of reversing what had happened in the prime universe. The only low point for me is the "KHAAAAN" bit. I don't mind Spock raging and shouting Khan's name in anger, but the way it was performed just doesn't work for me.

The rest is fine.

I appreciate that Kirk's death was the culmination of everything that had happened to him in the movie, and to me that would make the role reversal via alt-reality a bit neater (how many times have we seen that in Trek anyway, where one moment changes everything? Sometimes it's neat to see how things get to that point).

The scream, though -- THAT's what took me out of it. Completely unnecessary fanwanking, perhaps brought on by internet memes.

The scream was horrible. It took me right out of the movie and I never came back.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P4A1K4lXDo[/yt]

 

[Squiggy]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

Personally I liked the idea of reversing what had happened in the prime universe. The only low point for me is the "KHAAAAN" bit. I don't mind Spock raging and shouting Khan's name in anger, but the way it was performed just doesn't work for me.

The rest is fine.

I appreciate that Kirk's death was the culmination of everything that had happened to him in the movie, and to me that would make the role reversal via alt-reality a bit neater (how many times have we seen that in Trek anyway, where one moment changes everything? Sometimes it's neat to see how things get to that point).

The scream, though -- THAT's what took me out of it. Completely unnecessary fanwanking, perhaps brought on by internet memes.

The scream was horrible. It took me right out of the movie and I never came back.

Wait, you didn't like the movie?

 

[fireproof78]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

I often think that the movie should have ended there, with Khan on the run and the Enterprise (and the rest of Starfleet) trying to recover.

That said, I have little problem with the film up to the scream and afterwards is still fine. Decent action scene, which Trek was not always the best at. Again interesting continuation of Spock's arc too, in my opinion.

I get that other people don't like it, and I would change it too. But, to me, its minor and overshadowed by the more interesting character moments.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

I appreciate that Kirk's death was the culmination of everything that had happened to him in the movie, and to me that would make the role reversal via alt-reality a bit neater (how many times have we seen that in Trek anyway, where one moment changes everything? Sometimes it's neat to see how things get to that point).

The scream, though -- THAT's what took me out of it. Completely unnecessary fanwanking, perhaps brought on by internet memes.

The scream was horrible. It took me right out of the movie and I never came back.

Wait, you didn't like the movie?

I didn't really like it much when I was watching but I was paying attention and liked a few things about it.Once the Khan scream came up my attention to the movie really no was there. I do have some faint memories of some kind of miraculous blood cure that can bring a corpse back to life. When I rewatch the movie I will find out what that means.

 

[Squiggy]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

Please let us know what you think about that movie you don't remember but hate.

 

[Cyke101]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

Miraculous blood, transporter magic, genetically engineered doctors, there's no shortage of cure-alls in Trek regardless of the reality.

I wish STID kept in that deleted scene that explained why McCoy needed Khan alive -- because McCoy didn't know how the blood would react or change if Khan's bodily functions ceased. That would also explain why they can't just pop open an Augment popsicle for more blood to act as an eternal cure.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

It took me right out of the movie and I never came back.

How exactly does that work?

 

[Dukhat]

Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17

It took me right out of the movie and I never came back.

How exactly does that work?

!!!HYPERBOLE!!!

Unless he physically left the theater after that scene, I'm sure he "came back" to the movie just fine, despite whatever nonsense he's spouting about "not remembering" anything.