I see. So it's Kirk>Spock>Scotty>Sulu>Uhura, who's next?
Finished season one
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I think DeSalle also falls before Uhura if he happens to be in the episode....
Ha ha - yeah and don't forget they'll do anything to avoid letting Uhura take command.
Which I don't think factored into the episode, or else they'd given Sulu command. Like they had on a couple different occasions earlier in the series. They needed to put someone in command who was in way over their head so Kirk could swing in and save the day.
If they had done that to Uhura, people would still be complaining to this day.
^ Maybe Uhura would have been good at command seeing as how all the senior officers knew the goings-on of life on the bridge and how to handle intense situations.
Traditionally, there would be an officer of the deck who would be in command I suppose, who would have the option to relinquish command to a senior officer. Sulu sometimes filled that role. At the very least he should have been advising.
Uhura is also a command officer who transferred to services early in the show. Even so, we see other officers from other departments taking on the deck officer role so there is no reason why she could not have been officer of the deck on occasion. We just never see it on screen. Personally I think she has far more command presence than Chekov.
Technically, we do see her in charge of the security search party in CotEoF. The role would originally have been Rand's but as Uhura is higher rank and an officer, she was likely the one in charge.
CotEoF???
That would be the navy way to do it, yep. Not near as dramatic, though.
Well, how much do Vulcans truly value monogamy when it comes to their arranged marriages?
Remember what T'Pring said to Spock in Amok Time: "But if you did not free me, it would be the same. For you would be gone, and I would have your name and your property, and Stonn would still be there."
That sounds pretty conniving, selfish, and unfaithful to me, but Spock assessed her reasoning as "Logical, flawlessly logical."
The Vulcan philosophy of logic apparently isn't what humans think it should be (not that it necessarily has to).
Kor
Here's the thing - Just because someone/something is logical, it's NOT necessarily moral.
Also, I often see people bring up the 'Vulcans never lie..." line from "The Enterprise Incident" as gospel per se - yet those people seem to have not watched/understood the episode in that Spock was lying when he said the line; plus we have Spock bold faced lying in "The Menagerie" and "Errand of Mercy". Plus even if someone argued - "Well, he's half human..."; Sarek isn't, and Sarek was lying to Amanda and others in "Journey to Babel" while attempting to hide his heart condition.
Bottom line: Just because someone is logical, it doesn't mean they're automatically honest or moral.
^ Yeah I've heard about that.
Isn't it always, when we talk about rating things?
There's enough parallels there to real-world religions and cultures that make it easy for anyone inclined to care. Except, of course, maybe those who can't wrap their head around anything fictional in the first place.
Also relatable. There's always going to be that job we need but don't want but take anyway, or somewhere we have to go that we don't care about but we go anyway.
Janeway's Girl I am so glad you ended up liking season one.
I saw you said you particularly liked This Side of Paradise. When I was a kid I read a poem about that episode and I remembered the entire poem for many years, though I could not find out where it was from. Eventually lo, the internet. I read it now and I relive the strong feelings I had when I first read it, it's a beautiful Spock poem and beautiful piece of fandom.
Sonnet from the Vulcan: Omicron Ceti Three
by Shirley Meech (originally published in Star Trek: The New Voyages, Bantam, 1976)
I thought the memory of you was gone-
I thought it buried underneath the years.
But now it rises, bright as Vulcan dawn,
And I remember you, and Earth, and tears.
Your tears were falling like the rains of Earth;
You were the storms and roses of Earth’s spring.
You could not know that, almost from my birth
The rites of Vulcan bound me to T’Pring.
I could not break those ties; I had no choice-
Returned to space, left you and Earth behind.
But still I heard the echo of your voice,
Found rain and wind and roses in my mind.
You told me that you loved me, and you cried.
I said I had no feelings. And I lied
I saw you said you particularly liked This Side of Paradise. When I was a kid I read a poem about that episode and I remembered the entire poem for many years, though I could not find out where it was from. Eventually lo, the internet. I read it now and I relive the strong feelings I had when I first read it, it's a beautiful Spock poem and beautiful piece of fandom.
Sonnet from the Vulcan: Omicron Ceti Three
by Shirley Meech (originally published in Star Trek: The New Voyages, Bantam, 1976)
I thought the memory of you was gone-
I thought it buried underneath the years.
But now it rises, bright as Vulcan dawn,
And I remember you, and Earth, and tears.
Your tears were falling like the rains of Earth;
You were the storms and roses of Earth’s spring.
You could not know that, almost from my birth
The rites of Vulcan bound me to T’Pring.
I could not break those ties; I had no choice-
Returned to space, left you and Earth behind.
But still I heard the echo of your voice,
Found rain and wind and roses in my mind.
You told me that you loved me, and you cried.
I said I had no feelings. And I lied
What gives you the impression Uhura is in charge? The landing party includes the ship's CO, XO and 2O. Kirk is clearly giving orders. Uhura seems to be there as a communication specialist and to deliver the infamous "I'm frightened" line.
This. It was the sixties. A black woman in charge of a bunch of white men was deliciously subversive. But yeah, I meant in charge of the security detachment, not the entire landing party, obviously.
@Teacake, what a beautiful poem
Again I'd have to ask what leads you to this conclusion, other than wishful thinking? Kirk's the one giving all the orders. When they fan out, Uhura is with one Security officer and Scotty with the other.
I've noticed that Kirk's uniform switches back and forth between the yellow and the green shirt. Why?
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